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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:54 PM

Is vegetarianism dead? These days it seems you have to go full vegan to show you really care

The Telegraph

You can’t move for vegans these days, especially during the meat-free mania of ‘Veganuary’. A reported 350,000 people signed up for January’s month-long plant-based diet campaign.

Last year’s record was obliterated by 100,000, spurred on by celebrity vegans such as actor Benedict Cumberbatch and racing driver Lewis Hamilton.

Every week there’s yet another launch of some vegan product or other designed to send Piers Morgan’s blood pressure soaring through the stratosphere.

McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC – they’ve all jumped on the plantwagon and launched vegan dishes in recent months.

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Reply Is vegetarianism dead? These days it seems you have to go full vegan to show you really care (Original post)
brooklynite Jan 25 OP
Ferrets are Cool Jan 25 #1
MoonRiver Jan 26 #21
Ferrets are Cool Jan 26 #37
JonLP24 Jan 26 #48
lunasun Jan 26 #56
Ferrets are Cool Jan 26 #60
ret5hd Jan 27 #79
MoonRiver Jan 27 #74
Jake Stern Jan 26 #58
BlueTsunami2018 Jan 25 #2
Igel Jan 26 #12
hunter Jan 25 #3
The_jackalope Jan 26 #7
Ilsa Jan 26 #4
Blue_true Jan 26 #62
flvegan Jan 26 #5
MH1 Jan 27 #75
Raine Jan 26 #6
jmowreader Jan 26 #10
Raine Jan 26 #11
Igel Jan 26 #13
spinbaby Jan 26 #18
Hortensis Jan 26 #15
Raine Jan 26 #49
Farmer-Rick Jan 26 #57
Blue_true Jan 26 #63
cwydro Jan 26 #14
Loki Liesmith Jan 26 #52
Blue_true Jan 26 #64
The_jackalope Jan 26 #8
GulfCoast66 Jan 26 #9
yellowwoodII Jan 26 #35
moriah Jan 26 #41
Blue_true Jan 26 #67
Nature Man Jan 27 #76
Blue_true Jan 27 #80
Nature Man Jan 28 #85
Blue_true Jan 28 #86
GulfCoast66 Jan 28 #88
Blue_true Jan 26 #66
Codeine Jan 27 #83
hunter Jan 26 #45
Blue_true Jan 26 #65
GulfCoast66 Jan 28 #87
Blue_true Jan 28 #89
GulfCoast66 Jan 28 #90
Blue_true Jan 28 #91
GulfCoast66 Jan 28 #92
Blue_true Jan 28 #93
Coventina Jan 26 #16
MineralMan Jan 26 #17
jmg257 Jan 26 #19
Wounded Bear Jan 26 #20
H2O Man Jan 26 #22
Hortensis Jan 26 #23
Claritie Pixie Jan 26 #24
Name removed Jan 26 #28
Claritie Pixie Jan 26 #42
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MurrayDelph Jan 26 #25
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UniteFightBack Jan 26 #30
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bluedye33139 Jan 26 #26
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luvs2sing Jan 26 #31
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Blue_true Jan 26 #69
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Blue_true Jan 26 #71
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Blue_true Jan 27 #81
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MuseRider Jan 26 #33
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Happy Hoosier Jan 26 #59
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La Coliniere Jan 26 #55
0rganism Jan 26 #61
ProfessorGAC Jan 26 #46
SKKY Jan 26 #47
nolabear Jan 26 #50
Loki Liesmith Jan 26 #51
MFM008 Jan 26 #54
Blue_true Jan 26 #72
The_jackalope Jan 26 #68
Meeker Jan 27 #78
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:01 PM

1. I understand vegetarianism...

I do not understand being full vegan. If you want that life choice, go for it, but don't belittle anyone else for "JUST" being a vegetarian. Not saying that everyone does.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:30 AM

21. You mean like non-vegetarians belittle vegetarians?

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:57 PM

37. Well, I've never met a vegetarian belittler who wasn't a

knuckle-dragin' repug, but that is just me.
Why must any of our choices be dissed? As much as I abhor the killing of animals, I will not talk badly of people who eat deer or other wild game. I won't discuss it or look at it in any form, but I will not say they are bad people.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:02 PM

48. These kind of threads

And this isn't the first time brooklynite posted this kind of bait before always lead to vegan bashing. No one was bashing your choices as you were the first person in this thread.

Trashing thread. I prefer to discuss these issues at the animal rights forum at DU.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:19 PM

56. +1 yes I have also noted the same thing


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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:15 PM

60. Sorry, I wasn't aware of that. This will be my last post

in this thread. There are infinitely more important issues in my life.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:27 AM

79. So others have noticed a tendency to gleefully pick at scabs.

Glad Im not the only one.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #37)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:07 AM

74. I never belittle people who eat meat, even the factory farmed type.

If they serve me meat I will refuse it, but politely. I'm not on a mission to convert anyone to vegetarianism or veganism, I just won't eat that (meat) shit.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:31 PM

58. Don't have an issue with the lifestyle

It's the obnoxious preachiness that so many vegetarians, especially vegans, exhibit that bothers me.

Not every vegetarian/vegan is that way but it's the ones who are that seem to leave the biggest impression on people.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:54 PM

2. To show who that you really care?

Who is anyone trying to impress with their diet?

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:40 AM

12. Depends on the person.

I've known more than a few kids who loudly proclaim their virtue and the fact that as if yesterdat they're opposing their out-of-touch parents. And then try to get other kids to jump on the bandwagon.

A month later they're chowing down a burger in the school cafeteria. Now, arguably they could claim there's no real meat in the supposedly meat-based burger, but the optics are bad.

I always find it more convincing when somebody's noticed to be eating vegan but nobody knew for the first 6 months because it was their personal choice, one they didn't profess out on the street corners.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:54 PM

3. The schemes of the bacon cultists might scare me if they weren't all made of meat.


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Response to hunter (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:39 AM

7. +1

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:03 AM

4. I had a sample of some kind of granola today and was told it

Was gluten free and vegan. I said I don't have a problem with gluten and don't want to pay more for gf.

I'm fine with being an almost-vegetarian, but the family wants poultry.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:37 PM

62. I just had to do a blood draw for a routine physical.

I had to fast 14 hours, drinking only water.

About two weeks before my blood draw date, one of my brothers gave me a few buffalo wings. As I faster, my body was screaming for buffalo wings, but I couldn't touch them between when my brother gave me some of them and my blood draw because that could throw off my cholesterol. Long story short, I finished the fast, got the blood draw done and then bought some buffalo wings for lunch, my body and mind were overjoyed. I try to pay attention to what my body is calling for because I have learned over time that it typically call for something that it is missing, I apologize to no one for the choices that I make in response to that.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:21 AM

5. No, and what idiot said that?

Vegetarianism is alive and well, and shouldn't be diminished by anyone suggesting you have to go "full vegan to show you really care" or whatever that means.

Sort of like saying, "Nice Prius. Would be cool if you just walked everywhere, though."

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Response to flvegan (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:16 AM

75. Thank you.

"Idiot" is rather gentle for whoever said it, though.

If everyone just cut back on meat consumption - "less meat" rather than obligate "meatless" diet - it would make a huge positive impact for all species. Anyone just needs to observe nature a little bit to understand the food chain. One can eat some meat and still strive for relatively cruelty-free sourcing of it. So, one can care and still consume some meat; and certainly one can care about a lot of things, and none of us are pure in every way.

If supporting the human population on the planet would require 100% of us be vegan, than that population number is too high. (it is already anyway, but that's a whole separate, and unpleasant, subject)

But if someone IS a vegan (as I presume you are, from your screen name), GREAT!! That helps cover for the folks who haven't learned the less-meat way yet.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:32 AM

6. I've been a vegetarian longer then most vegans have been alive

it wasn't easy when the vegetarian option was Jello or Saltine crackers that had lard in them and being thought of as very strange. I might eventually go totally vegan in my own good time but I'm fine with being a ”just" a vegetarian.

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Response to Raine (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 02:40 AM

10. Stop right there...

The vegetarian option was JELLO? Didn't anyone tell your friends gelatin is boiled cow bones?

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:27 AM

11. Also people always thought if you were a vegetarian

that of course you ate chicken and fish, uh no. I know people who eat meat that won't even eat Jello, gag.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:42 AM

13. Mostly pig hide, but the point stands.

There's kosher "jello".

And there are those who simply say, "Look, it's hydrolyzed collagen and it's impossible to tell that it's from pig versus cow." It's still very much not plant. I assume you can rig hydrolyzed vegetable to make it gelatinous, though.

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Response to Igel (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:19 AM

18. Agar

Agar, known as kanten in Japan, is made from seaweed. The texture is a bit different, but it’s very close to gelatin.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:08 AM

15. I think that's part of the point Raine was making. Also

that vegetables were often simply not available.

When we first moved from Georgia and tried a southern "family style" restaurant, deep-fried okra was the only vegetable on a loooong, double-column list of sides to go with the meat. I took a picture of it to send back to California. Even that chain has since improved substantially for this era, though.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:14 PM

49. Yes, exactly

it was the "best" they could offer. I'm glad there's so much available now, I know it's hard for some to believe how little there used to be for people who didn't eat meat.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:21 PM

57. Pectin is from plants and is frequently used as a gelatin substitute.

There are other plant substitutes for gelatin.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:39 PM

63. It also come from some forms of seaweed. nt

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Response to Raine (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:58 AM

14. Lol. Jello is not a vegetarian dish.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:22 PM

52. That was the point.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:41 PM

64. Yes it is if the gelatin is plant source. Long has been the case. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:44 AM

8. Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.

Die anyway.

IMO, virtue signaling is a pernicious neurosis.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:49 AM

9. Could not say. I want to meet a truly poor person who is a vegetarian.

More less a vegan. I know some vegans and consider one a friend. But I also work with some really poor people. Not ‘just got my phd and am working as a graduate assistant poor’.

But really poor. Like I can’t hardly pay my rent and feed my 3 kids poor. They are happy to have good food for their family. Happy to have some pork in their beans poor.

As long as I see people discussing vegan vs vegetarian I know we live in a rich fucking country!

Because really poor people eat whatever they can get.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:22 PM

35. Vegan menu is cheap

I am constantly amazed at how much vegan food I can buy for such a little money. A pound of black beans is $1.42 and cooks up into a large amount. Three pounds of blueberries for 6.97. Two pounds of brown rice for $1.26.
What is expensive is all the junk processed food that people buy. (Almost) a pound of potato chips for $2.12.

The weight of these processed foods is often made up of salt, sugar, and fat, and any nutrients have been processed out.

Then there are the medical bills that often result from this poor diet.

It is cheaper to be healthy

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Response to yellowwoodII (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:23 PM

41. When you're so poor you're glad when there's pork in your beans...

... you aren't shelling out for potato chips. You're hoping you have enough cornmeal to get a complete dietary set of protein from your beans and cornbread.

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Response to moriah (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:51 PM

67. It amazes me how some people are.

People that are pushing "special" diets seem to fail to realize that teaching people the way is better than using criticism to win them over. I was born and raised poor, believe me, if meat was not used in the diet that my parents could afford, I likely would not be here now.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:02 AM

76. Never mind

that lots of poor people live in food deserts in many of our major cities.

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Response to Nature Man (Reply #76)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:22 PM

80. I didn't live in a food desert neighborhood.

But I did grow up in the South at a time when food quality was a multi-tiered affair, there was the food that well-off, middle-class and better-off poor bought, and there was the food that poor people bought. I still occasionally see the "discount" food sellers that my parents frequented, places that sold the food from the better markets that had met it's use by or freeze by date. The quality of the food was not tops, but it kept our family alive.

Poor people often don't have the resources to do research on things like nutritional supplements to make up for missing vitamins and proteins from food used in a restrictive diet. Even if they do the research, the cost of those items crashes limited food budgets. So a diet boils down to more meat and processed grains (pasta, white rice, white bread) and if vegetables are served, they came out of a can.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #80)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 05:08 AM

85. Plus, food pantries will load you up

on bread, processed/canned veg, potato flakes, processed meat, and sugar.

I don't know of any food pantries that have vegan or vegetarian "menus" for the food they distribute. You can load up on beans, which is good, but the other choices are hell for a diabetic (rice, potatoes, bread, sugar).

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Response to Nature Man (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 05:28 PM

86. Exactly. I helped stock a food pantry one time, what you pointed

out is exactly what I saw. You can guess that the food that givers give to a food pantry will tend to be less expensive foodstuffs, while it is not great, it keeps people fed and alive (although down the road there are problems with the salt, fat and sugar).

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Response to moriah (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:18 PM

88. See your from Arkansas. Lived in North Little Rock from 76-84.

Family in the SW. Down around Magnolia. Where people were honest to god poor before the government started playing a hand. Still are in all honesty.

What part are you from? If you don’t mind me asking.

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Response to yellowwoodII (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:47 PM

66. Once ounce of Vitamin B12, because it doesn't absorbs well from most vegetables, $60.

The cost of special proteins to replace those lost by not eating meat, even higher.

I don't regularly eat "junk" food (though I recently knocked down a batch of buffalo chicken wings), but where I shop, vegetables are no bargin.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:05 PM

83. Special proteins?

Where do you get that idea?

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:13 PM

45. My baseline rice and beans vegetarian diet is not expensive.

If a person has secure housing they can buy rice and beans in bulk quantities.

Even though I can eat any kind of food I like these days, I always get anxious if I don't have a stash of rice and beans in the cupboard.

At my poorest I had rice, beans, and cheap government subsidized powdered milk. To that I'd add whatever I could scrounge. Hot sauce packets left on the table at Taco Bell were one of my favorites. Living in California, discarded and surplus fruits and vegetables were not difficult to come by. Sometimes I'd get eggs. Meat was a problem because I often didn't have a refrigerator. I'd make my own buttermilk from the powdered milk.

When I was a kid our family lived a year without a refrigerator so I wasn't unfamiliar with a no-refrigerator diet.

A couple of days ago I realized I'd eaten rice and beans for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. For breakfast I had Rice Chex and soy milk. For lunch I had a rice and bean burrito. For dinner I had chickpea masala with rice.

I'm mostly vegetarian to reduce my environmental footprint. My wife is vegetarian approaching vegan.

In my extended family we've got everyone on the spectrum from militant meat eaters to militant vegans. I can cook for them all.

Pork is only cheap if you discount the environmental and ethical costs of factory farms, or if you kill a pig yourself, the hours spent preparing and sharing it.

When there were less than five hundred million people living on earth a diet high in animal protein didn't have the same environmental impacts as it does with seven and a half billion people.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:42 PM

65. Good point. Welcome back. nt

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #65)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:10 PM

87. Belated thanks about being back. Still reading.

Will mainly be posting on non political subjects till after we have a nominee. Still remember 16 here with dread.

And the whole impeachment thing just gets insane.


Plus the fishing is about to get good.

Realized when I joined my participation here has no effect on the real world. But still love DU.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #87)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:33 PM

89. Yes, 16 was bad.

I actually enjoy DU. With me living in a red county, DU helps a lot, other than my family, I connect with people that have similar values.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #89)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:43 PM

90. Red county here as well. But central Florida is total is Democratic.

Few people talk about Florida as a Democratic state forgetting we voted for President Obama twice. I think with the right candidate we can take it again. If we do, we win the whole enchilada.

We had an African American candidate for governor who mistakenly tied himself to a Democratic Socialist to get the nomination and almost won the governor race(16000 vote difference). In a midterm where we usually underperform.

If we have a candidate who inspires our African American base out to vote I think we win it here.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #90)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:52 PM

91. On the 2018 races. Gillum lost by 16,000 votes and tens of thousands

of votes from a very blue part of Florida were invalidated because the MAGAbomber caused post offices to close and the ballots did not get postmarked by the due date to be counted (our side went to Court, but lost. That is why I in-person early-vote religiously now. I vote as early as possible and I check my registration status weeks before I vote).

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #91)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:57 PM

92. I vote on Election Day. Seems safest to me.

Your over on the Nature Coast, correct? The retirees make that area bright red!

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #92)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:21 PM

93. I am in Marion County. Not as red as it used to be, but still red. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:08 AM

16. The Telegraph? Seriously?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:15 AM

17. Doubtful. In any case, dietary choices are individual.

The only time I pay attention to people's dietary limitations is when I'm planning a dinner party. If I don't know, I ask people if they have any dietary limitations in advance, and plan my menu accordingly. I am less likely, however, to invite an individual vegan if he or she will be the only vegan in the group. Instead, I would invite that vegan when there were others in the dinner party. In that case, I would prepare a vegan meal, since everyone can eat everything on the table that way.

My only fixed rule is that I do not prepare any foods that pretend to be other foods. I have never seen the point of that, frankly.

Most restaurants, these days, offer vegetarian, vegan and gluten-free menu items, along with other items that are not restricted in that way. That makes good sense, and ensures that everyone can find something on the menu they can eat.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:24 AM

19. Know who is thrilled being vegan is not dead? All those who bought stock in corps like Beyond Meat.

Brilliant opportunists.

Get in while you can.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:28 AM

20. In the end, all movements devolve into their most fanatic forms...nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:31 AM

22. Time magazine

reflected upon this very question in an April 8, 1966 cover story.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:33 AM

23. For a while all cookbooks I could find about vegetables

written or edited to market to veggie/vegans and the text was written assuming at least vegetarianism.

I noticed because I wanted to serve a lot more veggies, building meals around them with meat as a side but not even that alwas, instead of vice versa, and was looking for compilations of just plain delicious vegetable recipes, not ideologically edited ones.

As for those who've become genuine vegans, the billions of animals living and dying in our commercial horrors are no longer their doing. It's everyone else's. Or at least they're not paying money for it, however counterproductively some might be voting/not-voting to help the knuckledragging, conscienceless, child-persecutors to power.

Wherever you go in this world, the parties that vote to make meat production as humane as possible, or even just more humane at the expense of profits, are those dominated by liberals. Here in the U.S., where big power is binary, if you're not electing Democrats you're empowering the butchers.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:48 AM

24. Vegetarian here - all of my adult life. Decades.

The way I eat works for me, I eat dairy and eggs. Rule of thumb with my food - eat fresh - no processed food. Now in my middle years, very healthy.

I have no desire to go vegan, which I divide into two camps - those who learn to cook with a variety of food making sure what they're eating is nutritionally sound and that takes a lot of work. Then, those who are vegan because it's trendy, eating a limited diet that includes a lot of processed crap. Processing plants to taste and look like meat? Gross.

I'll stick with what I'm doing, thank you.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:39 PM

42. If you're so concerned about animal cruelty, why aren't you vegan yet?

Should be easy for you to do it. Yet, you continue to eat meat.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:27 AM

25. I am an obligate omnivore

who uses his canine teeth regularly.

My tastebuds are such that most vegetables taste painfully bad, and most of the rest would not provide sufficient nutrition.

Most food items that can be made with gluten taste better when it is there. Many foods that didn't have gluten to begin with, have jumped on the GF bandwagon in their advertising. Since i don't have Celiac disease, I don't need to pay extra for something that doesn't taste as good as it could.

I have several food intolerances, all of which are vegetable-based, so I have to check ingredients carefully.

But all of that is me. If you enjoy a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle, more power to you. Enjoy. Where I get mad is where people treat things that are generally true as absolutely true.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:47 AM

30. I think it's best to encourage others to eat less meat rather than throw the cruelty stuff at them.

People have to come to that - if ever - in their own due time.

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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:18 PM

39. You are doing great! If everybody took the steps you did we would be on our way to at least

LESS suffering. And I'll often use the unsanitary nature of these 'farms' to get my point across rather than the cruelty because a lot of people don't give a shit about that.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:29 AM

26. The political campaign against plant-based food is weird

Right wingers have lost their freaking minds.

Jordan Peterson has switched to an all-meat diet, and if you pay his daughter, she will tell you to eat meat. They literally have set up a service in which right wing people can be instructed to eat meat. Weird.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:39 AM

29. I'm vegetarian ad have been one for many double digit years,

over 20+. That is my choice. I don't disparage anyone who is not, or who is vegan. I don't eat dairy products and eggs, every day necessarily, I never eat meat.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:50 AM

31. We call ourselves Halfatarians.

We eat meatless, often vegan, about half the time. I’ve tried going vegetarian several times, even with the help of nutritionists, and I end up feeling like crap after a month or two. So I kind of alternate meat meals with vegetarian/vegan meals. I’m making a pot roast tomorrow. The next day is Lebanese lentil soup with a Mediterranean salad, both vegetarian. After that, a fish meal. It all balances out.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:51 AM

32. I've been a vegetarian for about 5 years now and love going to the vegan food festivals. Everything

The food Is SO GOOD. I try to limit dairy because I know that is the worst of all - but I have cheese issues. I try to avoid cheese with animal rennet - yuck!

If anybody knows of a good coffee creamer that doesn't change the flavor of the coffee and is dairy free please advise.

If we all just CUT BACK on consumption it would be a better world.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:27 PM

69. There is a coconut creamer that is sold in healthfood and grocery stores.

I made ice cream with it. It is very close to cream in taste and texture (does not taste like coconut either).

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #69)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

70. Is it called nut pod or something like that??? nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #70)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:38 PM

71. No, not that I remember. I tried it on a lark and did several things with it.

It comes in a bottle that is shaped sort of like a bowling pin.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #71)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:08 AM

73. I will look for it and if you ever remember the name please let me know because I've

been searching for a completely dairy free creamer for years and have spent a lot of money with no success.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #73)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:44 PM

81. I found mine at a healthfood store that sells some food products.

It was back in the refrigerated dairy alternatives department. Also, you are more likely to meet vegetarians and vegans at such stores, even among staff. If you find one that has a staff that is on the ball, they can help your search. I will be shopping at the healthfood store likely Thursday or Saturday, I will try to remember to swing by the refrigerated area and get the name of what I mentioned, it tastes like cream to me.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #81)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 08:05 PM

84. Thank you, you are so kind!! nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:05 PM

33. Who cares?

Apparently a lot of people get offended when you chose to eat differently?

I have been hassled once, only once by someone about my diet and what they said was stupid and incorrect and just not necessary.

I do not hassle people over their diet and they don't hassle me. Who the hell cares? It is either a personal or medical choice. Move along.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:18 PM

34. Very true.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:26 PM

36. I find it fascinating

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:19 PM

40. OK but they don't have a central nervous system so I've always went with that. nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:33 PM

59. Meh. Animals eat each other.

We need to address ethics, of course, but we’re not separate from nature.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:54 PM

44. i stopped eating dairy and lost 60 lbs and my eczema went away

i used to love milk, cheese, eggs, and foods containing them -- my #1 favorite set of ingredients since childhood. i gave it up and got a lot healthier.

it wasn't slow either. the eczema i had since i was 5 completely vanished in a couple weeks. going vegetarian had little effect on my health, but when i stopped eating dairy too i noticed a big impact right away.

do you know how cheese is made? do you know what rennet is? how much cheese does anyone really need in their diet?

i'll stick to eating plants, thank you very much.

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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:03 PM

55. Ditto

Incredibly, the same scenario happened to me. I'd drifted between laco-ovo vegetarian and pescatarian diets for many years. First I gave up eating seafood (was difficult for me) and eventually I decided to eliminate dairy and eggs. Within a couple of weeks, the chronic eczema I suffered with and had been unsuccessfully treated for by dermatologists, disappeared, never to return. Now in my mid 60s and fit as can be. I have been on a 100% whole food, plant-based diet for over 5 years and fully enjoy the vegan lifestyle. It's amazing how easy it was to transition into this way of eating. Reading many of the posts in this thread indicates that there is still much confusion and misunderstanding in regards plant-based eating. Knowing that eating plant-based is the most important individual behavior a person can incorporate into their life to reduce their carbon footprint, as well as the horrendous suffering of animals must endure in the animal ag biz, makes it all worthwhile. It's not so difficult as one might imagine and the benefits are bountiful.

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Response to La Coliniere (Reply #55)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 08:41 PM

61. the hostile reaction to the very idea is strange isn't it?

it's almost like the people eating the animal-protein diets know deep down that getting nutrition from meat and dairy is sub-optimal for several reasons, and the mental constructs required to continue doing so require frequent maintenance and constant active vigilance.

my experience and correlating stories from so many others makes me wonder which rates of chronic health conditions in the population would drop off to near-zero within months of human society adopting a completely plant-based diet.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:49 PM

46. Reminds Me Of The Simpson Episodes

Lisa gets starry eyed over a cute animal activist.
She tells him she's a vegetarian. He scoffs that he's a class 5 vegan. "I won't eat anything that casts a shadow!", he says.
No judgment here. Just thought it was a funny line.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:59 PM

47. I like the idea of not killing something for my subsistence...

...whatever you call it, that’s what I am.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:16 PM

50. No one is pure enough. And not being pure enough means you're canceled.

It’s madness.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:21 PM

51. My dietary choices are not made "to show I care"

What a silly article.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:45 PM

54. i tried Vegan

Being vegan and being able to afford food was to difficult for this disabled senior.
I gave up red meat instead.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:42 PM

72. You make a good point.

From my experience, vegetables and quality fruit tend to be more expensive than some meat choices pound for pound. I believe that people eat too much meat and can cut way back.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:59 PM

68. It's a bit of a First World Problem, isn't it? Nt

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Response to The_jackalope (Reply #68)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:24 AM

78. !!!!!! YES !!!!!! n/t

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:23 AM

77. If you're all about the health benefits and not about "showing you care" ...

 

... does that make you a bad person?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:51 PM

82. Can't people just eat what they want to eat?

I fill my VA deer tag every year, and I eat what I kill.
But if restaurants wish to cater to a clientele which doesn't share my culinary tastes, why the fuck should I care?

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