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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:44 PM

Hillary Clinton: Mark Zuckerberg Has 'Authoritarian' Views on Misinformation

In the first great meme war, when the foot soldiers of 4chan took to anonymous message boards in a burn-it-down effort to send Donald Trump to the White House, Hillary Clinton had no idea what was crawling out of the depths of the web and replicating across the internet.

The ordinary nastiness she’d come to expect from a lifetime in politics had warped into something much darker and more nihilistic, all fueled by misogyny, conspiracy theories, and other lies distributed to appear true. “I didn’t really know this was happening to me,” she told Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, at an event hosted by Emerson Collective at the Sundance Film Festival today. (Emerson owns a majority stake in The Atlantic.) “We did not understand what was going on below the radar screen.”

Now that Clinton gets it, she’s horrified—and she’s specifically alarmed by what she views as Mark Zuckerberg’s unwillingness to battle the spread of disinformation and propaganda on his own platform. There was the time, last spring, when a slowed-down video of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi caught fire online. The distorted speed, which made Pelosi appear as though she was slurring her words, seemed designed to make her appear cognitively impaired. “Google took it off YouTube … so I contacted Facebook,” Clinton said. “I said, Why are you guys keeping this up? This is blatantly false. Your competitors have taken it down. And their response was, We think our users can make up their own minds.”

Listening to Clinton, I was struck by how remarkably similar her account was to something Zuckerberg had once told me. Facts, Zuckerberg had suggested, are best derived from foraging many opinions, ideally from the billions of humans who use his publishing platform, so that each individual might cherry-pick what to believe. (Cherry-pick is my word, not his.) If journalism’s mantra is “Seek truth and report it,” Facebook’s might be “Seek opinions and react to them.” “It’s not about saying, Here’s one view; here’s the other side,” Zuckerberg had said when I’d asked him to reconcile the apparent contradiction between fact and opinion. “You should decide where you want to be.”






https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/01/hillary-clinton-mark-zuckerberg-is-trumpian-and-authoritarian/605485/

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Reply Hillary Clinton: Mark Zuckerberg Has 'Authoritarian' Views on Misinformation (Original post)
RandySF Jan 25 OP
BigmanPigman Jan 25 #1
Six117 Jan 25 #5
AZ8theist Jan 25 #12
Me. Jan 25 #2
Grokenstein Jan 25 #10
triron Jan 25 #3
Wounded Bear Jan 25 #4
FreeState Jan 25 #6
Blue_true Jan 25 #13
SCVDem Jan 25 #7
Blue_true Jan 25 #14
Grokenstein Jan 26 #16
SCVDem Jan 26 #19
tavernier Jan 25 #8
yaesu Jan 25 #9
PatrickforO Jan 25 #11
crickets Jan 26 #20
SergeStorms Jan 26 #15
UCmeNdc Jan 26 #17
DallasNE Jan 26 #18

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:13 PM

1. Fuckerberg has been bought. By whom remains to be seen. Putin? tRump?

Sooooooo glad I never used his product.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:49 PM

5. Amen! It always felt creepy to me. Fb is literally a toilet.

NT

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:34 PM

12. Yup, all roads lead to Putin...

I refuse to use Fascist Book and i urge everyone else to drop it as well. Our nation hangs in the balance right now.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:27 PM

2. And Once Again HRC Proves Her Value

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:24 PM

10. Right about Trump; right about Gabbard...

...right about Zuckerberg.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:36 PM

3. Now compare Hillary with the monster currently in the WH.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:39 PM

4. Zuckerburg, like most insanely rich people is a Libertarian...

Libertarians believe that no government restraints should be placed on any business or individual ever, with the possible exception of murder, though I'm pretty sure they don't care much about that either. Zuck is the ultimate "It's mine, don't fuck with me" kind of guy.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:01 PM

6. I think he's a Chinese asset n/t

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Response to FreeState (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 PM

13. No, you didn't do that? You should delete your post.

The insinuation that you make due to some of his life choices is out of bounds.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:06 PM

7. No FB, no Twt for me!

 

Never have, never will.

Ask all the unemployed assholes who posted some shit!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 PM

14. Same here. nt

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:12 AM

16. I've bookmarked a few @s on Twitter to read but

...but have never signed up for it or Facebook. Hell, I spend too much time on DU and TPM and the Internet in general as it is. (I've even refused to get a phone, because of all the people I've witnessed--coworkers in particular--who can't go a half-hour without plugging back into the Matrix.) ...And yeah, I don't think anybody wants to get Gillenbranded for life over a message posted in haste or anger or a selfie driven way beyond the borders of context and dumped to the wolves. I'll probably not be around for it, but politics twenty years hence are gonna be a hoot when people's lives are ruined over some post from early grade school.

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:34 AM

19. Gillenbranded!

 

Thinking of you, Al.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:13 PM

8. But I see many negative and doctored photos of Rump

as well. Maybe it’s because all of my friends on Facebook are Democrats and we make fun of him all the time.

I don’t really understand the difference.

And yes, I do know that there are trolls paid by Russian money to influence voters. I’m just saying that trashing politicians is not limited to one side. We do it too.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 PM

9. she is spot on. nt

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 PM

11. Why do you think I rail so much against billionaires? Why do I use the word

'parasite' when I refer to them?

Zuckerberg is a prime example. Why should we allow this man, little more than a maggot eating at the nearly-dead flesh of our republic, to have a giant tax cut when we don't have health care?

Zuckerberg, Koch, Adelsen, Mercer, the Waltons.

We don't need billionaires. And when we have the top 0.1% of the population having more wealth than the bottom 90%, we've got a problem that needs to be solved with a) confiscatory taxation designed to make billionaires into millionaires, and b) a regulatory structure that prevents them from further hurting the republic.

Billionaires are PARASITES.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:40 AM

20. +1

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:00 AM

15. Facebook, along with Twitter and the like....

are directly responsible for the dumbing down of America, and the spread of lies and innuendo from foreign governments wanting to weaken or destroy our democracy. Fuck Facebook, Zuckerberg, and the high-horse he rode in on. All he cares about is money, and I do believe he's a closeted fascist.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:40 AM

17. FB is the Perfect Tool to push out your own Propaganda.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:02 AM

18. We Have Had Media Problems For A Long Time

It started when giant corporations like GE bought up the media companies. They immediately turned their news divisions into profit centers and that meant creating the news rather than following the news. One of the chief ways was to start chasing poll numbers and then fixation on creating a horse race because when you have a horse race you have more political advertising.

That also gave rise to the second wave and a new media company using sports to finance a news division that was in reality the propaganda arm of one political party. One that wasn't subject to the fairness doctrine or FCC regulation by being an unregulated cable company and Fox is born.

The third phase also was built on another advance in the technology field and that was the wild, wild west of the internet where Twitter, You Tube and Facebook could disseminate misinformation in a nanosecond. Having no regulation means the public is at the mercy of people like Mark Zuckerberg that green lights pure propaganda, not just from the political parties, but also from foreign sources like Russia backing one candidate over another while posing as a legitimate American source.

But, as we see here, the market will not self regulate. We need tools and that means content regulation and bringing back tools like the fairness doctrine that Reagan ended. A Democracy sorely needs accurate information rather than propaganda. That won't mean that people will vote their self interests because politicians will still pander to peoples prejudices in subtle ways but we really started to see the problems of disinformation in the 2000 exit polls where Fox viewers were the most uninformed voting group by far.

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