I find it endlessly amusing that the "Militias" that show up at 2nd Amendment rallies

[flamin lib]

think they can take on a "tyrannical" government.

Do they not realize that the National Guard or even the local police have something they don't, something they have no defense or counter to? That being C&C, command and control? Without C&C they're not a militia but just a bunch of wannabes running around the woods with guns?

Do they not know that when they launch their "rebellion" the concept of posse comatatus goes out the window so they get to go up against the full force of the military industrial complex, a complex with the most advanced toys designed to deal with real threats?

Do they not know that a drone five miles away at 30,000 feet can find a cellphone and place a Hellfire missile within 30 feet of it at 1.3 times the speed of sound? Even if the phone isn't being used at the time? And if the 70 foot casualty radius of a Hellfire isn't enough a Blackhawk launched Paveway extends the casualty radius (50% dead, 50% injured) to 300 feet?

Do they not realize that the only effective resistance to the government is their VOTE? And when more of the citizens vote to challenge their supposed 2nd Amendment rights "their resistance is futile"?

[grumpyduck]

1. No, no, no, and no.

[Initech]

2. I'm starting to think these morons don't know what "tyranny" is.

Nor have they ever really seen a truly tyrannical government. We have safeguards in place to prevent that from happening. At least I'd like to think so.

[Cosmocat]

4. Yeah, the safeguards THEY are tearing down

not sure how they can't see that what they are driving does not end well for any of us ...

[Initech]

10. I can't get over that picture of Alex Jones riding around in an armored car.

If that doesn't say "tyranny" then what does?

[Cosmocat]

13. idiots

children playing games ... Would care less if it was not 1/3 of the country driving us over a cliff.

[Initech]

17. Infowars really is the worst.

[Newest Reality]

27. If he and his company...

If he and his company own that monster, that looks like it represents a significant chunk of change there. It seems that having a big audience of paranoid, easy to convince followers who don't investigate or analyze the information he slings is a very lucrative business now. He sells woo stuff, (I am not anti-alternative) on his site and show which is a good venue since he works the audience up like a TV preacher and the products are like passing the collection plate.

Jones' rabble rousing does little to "spread the truth" or even bring about any positive change for the rest of us, (I have observed him since the 10s. When he first started out, it was just interesting, alternative ideas. Now, it is a will to power that I don't even think he can control, because, like Trump, he has been playing a character that demands its due. His success, to me, over the last twenty-years or so, has brought out the worst in him and the will to power seems to be irresistible now.

It is also interesting how the Truther Industrial Complex has become a big money maker, (well, with manipulation of news now as manipulation of the audience, of course) when it was just some very odd and interesting, (maybe potential) information outside of the mainstream.

Jones is right up there with Coulter, Maher, Limbough, Trump, and the rest, who are good at wearing a finely crafted facade that is designed to keep them relevant and manipulate the beholders of The Spectacle. It's an acting career with sinister implications. I think there should be an award show for those types, but then, that would be telling.

[Marcuse]

30. If he owns that monster he may need to sell it to pay the judgement for the Sandy Hook parents.

[AtheistCrusader]

40. I'm amazed he's even showing his face these days, with what he admitted to doing in court.

I guess being in a somewhat armored vehicle is probably the only way to go at this point.

[aggiesal]

47. Wow, you put Maher in that group? n/t

[mr_lebowski]

6. To them, 'tyranny' is the government making them do/not do shit they do/don't want to do ...

A lot of them are small business owners and employees thereof who are sympathetic to the small biz owner.

They think things like paying taxes, minimum wage laws, req's to insure employees, pay into SS and Medicare, protect the environment, and just generally participate in society, forced upon them by 'big government regulations' ... is 'tyranny'.

They're idiots, IOW.

[Moostache]

33. I know...I know...too broad a brush, but sometimes it feels too narrow, today being one of those...

[Liberalhammer]

26. Tyranny is having

Your 2 handguns of the month club revoked!

[Initech]

29. I was at the supermarket last night.

The magazine stand literally had like 15 different magazines that were gun related and even a magazine about doomsday prepping thrown for good measure. One of them was a magazine called "Combat Handguns" that had an article on "the dangers of red flag laws". Like really? And I wonder how many people who think that are going to see actual combat?

I really want to know how super far right gun nuts think and operate. Because I think understanding them is the key to beating them.

[Blue_true]

64. Tyranny is having someone kick in the doors when they have not done a crime,

kick their teeth in with no fear of being brought to justice for harming them, and then having their guns and other stuff taken.

They just live in a democracy where the majority of voters want safeguards that the knuckleheads resent.

[JHB]

28. When RWers complain of "government tyranny", it usually means...

..."government is infringing on my prerogative to be a tyrant."

[Blue_true]

62. Those idiots think that they can start a war and go to McDonalds for the morning

coffee the next morning. That is how dumb ANYONE that supports civil war is.

In video, I saw one guy holding a highend coffee and another drinking a Snapple. It was surreal to watch that.

[Initech]

68. Yeah you would think that they would have jobs and lives.

In reality these gun nuts have about as much of a chance of starting an actual war as Cartman does.

[Blue_true]

75. It is possible that a lot of them work for governments that observe the

Martin Luther King holiday, or work for companies that do. That may explain the preponderance of face coverings.

You're right, when stripped of their guns, they are cowards. When someone sent me off to search for her poopypants video, I saw a clip where gun girl bragged that a woman threatened to slap her until she pointed out that she went everywhere with an assault rifle. That is their level of thinking, a willingness to use deadly force to respond to an insult.

[Cosmocat]

3. it is farcical at its face, but what this is and always has been is an intimidation campaign

They playing toy soldier early on, now it is about them dropping thousand of dollars to look good and pay for their toys.

As noted, command structure, but chain guns, black hawk helicopters, tanks, drones ...

But, this is all about intimidation ...

[sarge43]

5. A couple of A-10s could ruin their day.

"Say hello to our little friend."

If you can quit at anytime, you are not in a 'miltia'; you're just punks cosplaying.

[Blue_true]

65. Or an AC-130 Gunship, or an armed Drone, or....ect.

There is a lot of stuff that would no only ruin their day, but kill them. That is the reason why anyone that thinks a modern America civil war is winnable is an idiot.

[Archae]

7. They get their view from Hollywood...

"Red Dawn" or the "Rambo" movies.

[NewJeffCT]

12. Red Dawn

is definitely what they fantasize about - the Commies took over and then started grabbing guns and putting the unarmed civilians in cages as soon as they got into town. Then, a bunch of teenagers and Patrick Swayze managed to stymy the mighty Soviet war machine that had overrun half of the country already.

[kimbutgar]

15. Ironic their MF45 is a Russian operative.

[Locrian]

18. as I remember - the end of that movie didn't turn out so happy either n/t

[NewJeffCT]

21. It's been a long time since I saw it

but, I think most of the Wolverines ended up dying and it gives a vague ending with a plaque on a rock near where they hid out saying how they gave their lives in WW 3

[Locrian]

46. been a long time too - not my favorite movie either

but yeah it wasn't a happy ending for most of them

[tenderfoot]

63. That was one the WORST movies of the 1980s

[uponit7771]

56. +1,

[Aristus]

8. Militia 'command and control':

"I'm Alpha-Strong-Macho-Supreme Leader! I called it!"

"Nuh-UH! I'M Alpha-Strong-Macho-Supreme Leader! I painted it on my AK!"

"Bullshit! I have the better moustache!"

"At least I don't live in my Mom's basement!"


I think we can take them...

[geardaddy]

45. LMFAO!

You win this thread Aristus!

[randr]

9. They would be overjoyed

to be a party to the tyranny

[gratuitous]

11. Well, they say "tactical" a lot

So checkmate, libtards!

[kimbutgar]

14. I bet those drones were facial recognizing a bunch of them yesterday and compiling watch lists

Plus they will be doxed like those in Charlottesville who ended up losing their jobs.

Nothing good comes from being a hated filled gun humper.

[aikoaiko]

16. Yep, easy peasy just like in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[malthaussen]

19. Granted. But the ones to worry about...

... don't show up at "gun rallies."

In the event of a total breakdown of social order, there will be a few very dangerous (and slightly crazy) follks who will do a good bit of damage, but most of these boys playing war will run home and bleat for Momma. However, if the breakdown should last long enough, the real hard ones will emerge, and then there will be barbarism on a scale Attila would be proud of.

-- Mal

[Thomas Hurt]

20. Hyper-individualist masturbation

If the fed govt really wants your guns they will shell your home and pick them from the rubble.

[ooky]

22. Everything about them is amusing. They look funny.

They are a bunch of full grown children playing "army" in their fatigues and with their guns, consistent with the mentality of 7-9 year olds playing with plastic toys, posing for and taking pictures of each other in their military attire, and posting them on facebook, parroting false NRA talking points and other right wing drivel. They look silly. When I see one I find myself thinking that you could not find a more ignorant, stupid, immature, self centered individual than the morons that engage in this kind of social behavior.

[hvn_nbr_2]

23. I call them Wyatt Mitties...

They play-act Wyatt Earp but they're really Walter Mitties, fantasizing about their "big guns" singlehandedly defeating their fantasy oppressors and "owning the libs."

[ooky]

41. That's them. nt

[Newest Reality]

24. There is a common problem with thinking...

It seems that the capacity to not think things through, even in the slightest, is not there for some. This is similar to being inebriated to the degree that one acts on impulse alone and in a fog of war.

Oh, I know there are infinite variables and many potential outcomes from prognostication and forethought, but without that, it is like throwing darts without having a target. You can put an eye out.

There are many occasions where we don't think things through and many tend to suspend that faculty. In the case of your OP subject, that seems to be the case. Perhaps, in an ordinary sense, that is a sort of a conceptual fulcrum between order and chaos, relatively speaking.

I agree with the points you made and have similar thoughts about the brouhaha of promiscuous gun toters and their projection of fear and anger towards their fellow Americans. In most cases, they are projecting an apocalyptic world that exists only in their minds and circles. When apocalypse is now, it will be self-evident.

[RandiFan1290]

25. They plan on killing cops first

to get their weapons.

[cwydro]

48. Oh please.

This hysteria about these numbnut morons is just silly.

[RandiFan1290]

77. The FBI disagrees

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213437392#top

[Yavin4]

31. "the National Guard or even the local police have something they don't"

I thought that you were going to say physical fitness.

[obamanut2012]

71. lololol

[Paladin]

32. Most of them are big-time trump supporters.

Kind of renders their "the 2nd Amendment isn't about deer hunting, it's about taking up arms against dangerous overreaching tyrannical governments" rants pretty hollow.

[needledriver]

34. The phrase you're looking for is "asymmetrical warfare"

Look up what that means then ask yourself why we have been in Afghanistan so long even though we have all the command and control and drones and stuff.

[John Fante]

38. You're comparing the Walmart militia to the freedom fighters in Afghanistan?

That's a good one.

[TheRealNorth]

44. Some of these nuts are former military

Just like the beer-swilling yahoos in that Munich beer hall in 1923.
So dismiss them at your peril.

[cwydro]

49. Lol.

[Nature Man]

51. Bud Lite swilling yahoos

who jerk off to pictures of trump while listening to Lee Greenwood.

[obamanut2012]

72. lol

[TheRealNorth]

60. An example

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-base-fbi-arrest-alleged-white-supremacists-puts-focus-extremist-n1117981

2 of these guys were cavalry scouts in the US Army and one was a combat engineer in the Canadian Reserve.

[John Fante]

67. Move over, Vietcong.

[samir.g]

35. I hope that Virginia police have good facial recognition up and running

We need to know who all these nutbags are.

[lunatica]

36. They're probably really good at playing video games though.

See? I said something positive!

[TlalocW]

37. I forget which white surpemacist group it is

But it mainly consists of bubbas who could stand to lose a few who go drink in the woods, shoot their empties, and daydream about a coming race war that they'll stay out of unless their side wins, then they'll come out and ride the coattails of the victors once the shooting is more or less all over with.

Not saying these guys are in any white supremacist groups (also not not saying it), but I have a feeling if shit ever got real like they probably want it to, they're going to hope the other guy covers for them.

TlalocW

[Maxheader]

39. Bundy brave...

The whole worthless lot of em...

[AncientGeezer]

42. Do you think..for a minute....the Military is going to drone cilivilians?

You just single handedly made their case for them.

[WVJoe]

50. A US citizen,

Anwar al-Awlaki, was assassinated in Yemen via drone strike, apparently on purpose.

To think the gov would turn on its citizens on US soil using drones, tanks, and such seems pretty unlikely.

[marble falls]

59. You really need to read up on who he was ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

He came beck to the US after leaving when he was 11, to get his degrees and he claimed he was not a US citizen and was here on a student visa.

What do you think of Trump ordering the commando raid in Yemen that killed al-Awlaki's 8 year old daughter?

[dustyscamp]

54. I think it could be possible

All the branches of the military have at least a few hundred Magats and RWNJ sympathizers serving in them. If things get serious and a civil war really does happen these guys could go rogue and do some serious damage to civilians and other military personnel.

[marble falls]

57. You're not ex-military. That would never ever happen.

[dustyscamp]

61. I didn't say that I was I was just going off from what I've read from pro military forums/articles

Yeah, I hope it will never happen too.

[marble falls]

66. The military is really going after NeoNazis and the like. Writing their ...

crap will only get them bounced sooner.

[treestar]

73. If they were a credible threat to overthrow the government

There is no right for us to fight back against the likes of them taking over? Maybe we think they would be the tyranny.

[moondust]

43. Teenie Weenie Club don't care.

[dubyadiprecession]

52. Our military has significantly outpaced any kind of credible defense by a militia.

Their second amendment reason for having guns is outdated and useless. So, the one thing they can do with their guns is kill innocent civilians. The other is to defend their homes against criminals, as most law enforcement officers are right wingers anyway, and aren’t effective in doing their duties to defend them.

[LonePirate]

53. Plus, they fear a fascist government yet they strongly support the current fascist government of 45.

Their hypocrisy would be more stunning if it weren't for their enormous racism and stupidity.

[grumpyduck]

55. I don't want any of this to happen, but

my take is that if these bozos went postal and were up against

the National Guard, they would last about half an hour before they dropped their guns and vanished, and most of it would be posturing;

the regular Army, probably about the same;

the Marines, maybe fifteen minutes.

Now you get a couple of Cobras flying overhead at the start of the encounter, I would say that most of them would need a change of underwear.

IMHO, they're doing all this to show off, but hoping they never get put on the spot.

Sadly, and I really hate to say this, but, from what I've seen over the years, my feeling is that more people would get hurt if SWAT teams got involved.

[brettdale]

58. 100% agree

Perfect post.

[Skittles]

69. LOL, do they know?

THEY ARE STUPID.

[Mike Niendorff]

70. My first two questions for these types:

First question:

Ok, so your day finally arrives, and it's time for the gun nuts to take up arms against the American government. SO: who gets the first bullet? An American soldier? An American cop? Or just an American citizen who disagrees with you? Spell it out. Because all us non-gun-nut Americans would like to know.

Second question:

Since you are defining yourselves as a "militia", what does the Constitution mean when it **literally states** that the militia is to be "well regulated"? As in: verbatim. Again, spell it out for us non-gun-nut Americans.


MDN

[guillaumeb]

76. They are fantasists.

With lethal weapons.