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Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:01 PM

I work as a contractor for the DoD

And I occasionally travel overseas in the course of my job.

When I travel to some, let's call them problematic areas, I need to out process as if I was deploying.

That includes the need to take some refresher training courses prior to departure.

I retired a LONG time ago, and I am about as far from a low drag high speed operator as you're likely to find in theater. But I still need to check the boxes.

Anyway, I was doing the SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) training and the post capture section included a "Resisting Indoctrination" portion

This information feels like something we need to keep in mind in everyday America now.

First, recognize the attempts to indoctrinate you and which propaganda type you are dealing with - Ideological, Political or Religious fanatics differ in focus but share several traits:

-Only they possess the truth
-Will NOT tolerate opposing views
-No matter the subject of the discussion they will introduce THEIR values and judgement into the conversation.
-Attempt to force you to adopt or at least to concede the validity of their distorted out look


Look out for the use of one or more of the following methods of indoctrination:

-Music and dramatic recordings
-Posters video clips and films
-One sided media
-Lies half truths and incomplete information


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Reply I work as a contractor for the DoD (Original post)
The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2020 #1
The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #6
grumpyduck Jan 2020 #2
mopinko Jan 2020 #3
Pepsidog Jan 2020 #23
brer cat Jan 2020 #4
2naSalit Jan 2020 #5
MagickMuffin Jan 2020 #7
Dustlawyer Jan 2020 #8
MagickMuffin Jan 2020 #17
ArcticFox Jan 2020 #9
MagickMuffin Jan 2020 #16
ArcticFox Jan 2020 #18
usaf-vet Jan 2020 #10
Nasruddin Jan 2020 #11
The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #12
usaf-vet Jan 2020 #32
TlalocW Jan 2020 #13
The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #15
Hekate Jan 2020 #14
cp Jan 2020 #19
Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #20
alwaysinasnit Jan 2020 #21
The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #27
alwaysinasnit Jan 2020 #28
marble falls Jan 2020 #22
MrModerate Jan 2020 #24
sandensea Jan 2020 #25
keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #26
MFGsunny Jan 2020 #29
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #30
The Polack MSgt Jan 2020 #38
certainot Jan 2020 #31
Karadeniz Jan 2020 #33
delisen Jan 2020 #34
burrowowl Jan 2020 #35
Trueblue Texan Jan 2020 #36
BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #37
H2O Man Jan 2020 #39
UTUSN Jan 2020 #40

Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:06 PM

1. Good for you, for the important work you're doing!

And thank you for the information you provided.

These tell us how our government is talking to us.

Only by being aware can we stop them from harming us and our country in ways that would be difficult to change.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:49 PM

6. Throughout the course one phrase was repeated

easily a dozen times.

"Your unit and the US Government will keep faith with you, care for your family and make every effort to recover you"

I kept thinking -THIS US GOVERNMENT?. But of course they mean the DoD and I have faith that the Armed Forces will do exactly that.

I wouldn't bet a mud clod against a gold nugget that the Trumpistas even know what keeping the faith means, but the military - for all its flaws - They know what that means

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:07 PM

2. Gee, that sounds just like

oh, never mind. Nah, it's all in my imagination.

But seriously, I wonder if there's even been a study done as to what type of people fall for indoctrination and what kind doesn't: economic status, IQ, religion, whatever. Might be an interesting read considering who supports the current farce.

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Response to grumpyduck (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:19 PM

3. read john dean's 'conservative without conscience'

the answer is yes. there was massive psyche research after ww2 into how the german people went along.
and the research that ca misused was into how people were being radicalized online by both the modern kkk and isis.
they took that research, and turned it on it's head, and here we all are in the grip of vanilla isis.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:44 PM

23. Great read. Dean nails the conservative mindset and backs it up with data.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:30 PM

4. Take care of yourself when you are in these problematic areas.

Thanks for the good info.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:48 PM

5. Important points to keep in mind!

And thank you for doing what you do.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:50 PM

7. Poor Poor Fox Viewers

This is what they are up against. But hey, they can't help it. They have been indoctrinated, manipulated, lied to and yet they can't recognize the threat.

Poor Poor Fox Viewers.

However, Fox isn't the only media outlet doing this. They ALL do it. ALL THE TIME

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Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:24 PM

8. The big media advertisers now call the shots.

They leverage their ad dollars to control the media. I watched BP do this very effectively during the BP oil spill litigation.

The two root causes of most of our country’s problems stem from our media propaganda and campaign donations (bribes).

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:08 PM

17. I remember all the Lockheed Martin ads during the run up to the Iraq invasion


Now who here among us can purchase a fighter jet. I know I can't.

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Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:33 PM

9. It's not just Fox

Last edited Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Fox is just the most obvious. But other media behemoths are propaganda machines too.

You need to consider who owns them. And then you will see how careful we need to be about what we believe.

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Response to ArcticFox (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:07 PM

16. Read my last sentence again


It clearly states I acknowledge ALL media outlets behave this way.

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Response to MagickMuffin (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:23 PM

18. Read your post at a stoplight

Too quickly I guess. Good post

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:34 PM

10. Great so we all now need SERE training to survive this hostile takeover of our Republic.

His points are well taken.

This information feels like something we need to keep in mind in everyday America now.

First, recognize the attempts to indoctrinate you and which propaganda type you are dealing with - Ideological, Political or Religious fanatics differ in focus but share several traits:

-Only they possess the truth
-Will NOT tolerate opposing views
-No matter the subject of the discussion they will introduce THEIR values and judgment into the conversation.
-Attempt to force you to adopt or at least to concede the validity of their distorted outlook

Look out for the use of one or more of the following methods of indoctrination:

-Music and dramatic recordings
-Posters video clips and films
-One-sided media
-Lies half-truths and incomplete information

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:42 PM

11. We've always needed it

Everywhere, all the time

The US has a long & virtually complete history of waves of cults, millenialists, conspiracy theorists, red scares, yellow scares, immigrant myths, pseudo science, medical fads, & other nonsense. Pick any random year, I'll bet you'll find something floating to the surface in the press or other accounts.

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Response to Nasruddin (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:45 PM

12. Wish I could rec replies

It never goes away completely, but man does it seem to be EVERYWHERE now

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:56 PM

32. For me and my dad and his dad it was always honoring the oath we each took on enlistment.

I learned it from my dad with his actions. The way he continued to honor any oath I knew he had taken. His marriage vows and his military enlistment AND discharge oath. Let me explain his discharge oath.

When we kids would ask him what he did in WW II he said he was a radio operator. Period. Years later when I had been discharged from the USAF we were talking and he asked me what a typical day was like as a medic. I told him then said how about your day as a radio operator. He said well I only told you part of the story because I had to swear an oath that I would not tell the full story. Turns out he was a radio operator in Naval Intelligence work in a program the was using top-secret technology to locate German submarines in the South Atlantic. When the allies were fighting in North Africa the Germans sent U-boats to intercept and sink supply ships and troopships. The intercept coded messages were sent by the U-boats using enigma encryption.
They didn't want the Germans to know they had broken the code. His job was intercepting the raw code and passing it on to codebreakers in the UK.


The British broke the code at Bletchley Park | Home of the Codebreakers http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/


The movie is here:

My dad had no problem honoring his oath for 25+ years. Can the Senators honor their oaths one of which is barely 24 hours old?


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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:51 PM

13. Well, I am a lineman for the county

And have nothing like this t share but

I drive the main road
Searchin' in the sun for another overload
I hear you singin' in the wire,
I can hear you through the whine
And the Wichita lineman is still on the line

TlalocW

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Response to TlalocW (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:02 PM

15. Great fucking song

Glen was an underrated musician without a doubt

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:52 PM

14. TY. Just a civilian here, but I remember the gut-punched feeling when I realized what was going on

...during the runup to BushCheney's invasion of Iraq.

All the major news stations went for it in a ratings frenzy -- there were special graphics, special words and phrases, even special theme music for every intro and "breaking news" announcement.

My feelings were confirmed by a lot of people I knew then, some of whom have now passed on of extreme old age. Some were Holocaust survivors, some had been in Dutch Indonesia when the Japanese invaded, some were from various countries in Western Europe. What was going on in the US in 2001 was triggering memories of experiences 60 to 70 years prior.

Your words are quite timely.



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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:30 PM

19. Excellent post

Thank you.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:38 PM

20. Should requred course before high school graduation...

for everybody, everywhere.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:39 PM

21. Thank you Polack MSgt for the great advice, and stay safe.

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 03:11 PM

27. I may trip on my way to the shower trailer, so I will be careful

But I'm not trying to lie or puff myself up about this - I am in the rear with the gear - Believe me

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 03:18 PM

28. Regardless, stuff can happen in the most unexpected of places.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:39 PM

22. You're the man, Sarge!

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:52 PM

24. You're right -- the tactics are as old as the hills. No doubt Cyrus the Great had his Goebbels. n/t

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 02:58 PM

25. You just described the GOPee's entire media strategy

Roger Ailes was no fool, in that he knew that most Republicans are.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 03:05 PM

26. Seems to fit the Middle East, the impeachment trial, tariffs, and current political campaigns.

Seems to fit the Middle East, the impeachment trial, tariffs, and current political campaigns.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:38 PM

29. Bookmarked.

Such valuable info, AND from first-hand experience/knowledge!

Thank YOU!

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:42 PM

30. This whole country needs a Resisting Indoctrination class!

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:26 AM

38. +++

Too true

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:52 PM

31. you'e describing team limbaugh, and they've been doing it for 30 years to a captive audience

in 40 states with 80 senators those rw radio stations are the only free easy alternatives for pollitics while driving, working, doing chores

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:12 PM

33. Thank you for this important read!

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:49 PM

34. Great Post!

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:19 AM

35. Great post!

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:26 AM

36. Every time I go into a restaurant and the television...

...is set to Fox News, I think about this concept. I don't go back to those restaurants and I leave when I realize what's on their television.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:51 AM

37. Sounds like Fox News

 

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:55 AM

39. Recommended.

Thank you!

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Original post)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

40. K&R

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