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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:26 PM

The Robert Hyde story is important - but not for the reasons most people are talking about.

DU and social media are on fire this morning about the Robert Hyde story, talking about how the Dump administration was involved with stalking and maybe even putting a hit on Marie Yovanovich via Rethug PR guy and wannabe CT congressman Robert Hyde. Half are talking about his communications with Team Rudy, and the other half are complaining that this isn't the top story of the day. But all this chatter is missing perhaps the only ultimately important issue - the mentality of Team Rudy and, by extension Team Trump.

For the probably 3 people who haven't heard this part of the story yet, Hyde was dragged out of Trump's Doral roach motel for a psychiatric hold for 9 days in May 2019. The details can be found at:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/01/new-figure-in-ukraine-scandal-was-taken-into-police-custody-at-trump-resort-last-year/

This was likely an acute psychotic episode, shortly after his stalking and "hit job" communications with Lev Parnas in March/April 2019.

While some people are putting this together to mean that Hyde was actually having Yovanovich followed, etc., then had a breakdown, possibly fueled by his cloak and dagger misdeeds in Ukraine, this is at least somewhat outlandish. In all likelihood, Hyde was already having issues with reality 1-2 months earlier.

Of course it all needs to be investigated regardless of Occam's Razor. HOWEVER, these are the important issues that are being lost in the noise:

1. Hyde is RIGHT NOW running as a Republican for the 5th district House seat in Connecticut. He is being backed by the Rethuglican Party. Absent even knowing all the rest, the Rethugs are trying to get a dude elected who recently spent 9 days in a psych ward with paranoid delusions that the Secret Service was hacking him, and the Doral landscapers were actually there to monitor/harm him. Only after he made a much more public idiot of himself in December 2019 with a repugnant tweet about Kamala Harris, did a few Rethug politicians suggest he end his campaign. What does this say about the GOP?

2. Whether or not the information and comments Hyde was feeding to Team Rudy in March 2019 was all a fabrication of a busted brain, Team Rudy kept him on the team, and was acting at least in part through him and based on that information. Rudy is a former federal prosecutor. He know damned well that language like "They will let me know when she’s on the move… They are willing to help if you/we would like a price....Guess you can do anything in Ukraine with money… what I was told," is an invitation to commit a crime. Legitimate actors, especially ex-prosecutors, would have immediately triggered to that kind of language. An honest one would have reported the communication to the FBI and immediately cut ties. A somewhat less honest but competent one would have immediately cut him loose for being an overly talkative and incompetent goon, and told him never to contact him again... and by the way, forget the political aspirations and any help you might get from us YOU DUMBF***. That Team Rudy just kept running with this incompetent, dangerous, possibly nuts guy speaks volumes about Team Rudy, and of course Team Rudy's bosses. RUDY is the one who needs a lot more investigation.

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Reply The Robert Hyde story is important - but not for the reasons most people are talking about. (Original post)
Jirel Jan 15 OP
malaise Jan 15 #1
dalton99a Jan 15 #2
Pacifist Patriot Jan 15 #3
AnotherMother4Peace Jan 15 #4
N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 15 #5
Hortensis Jan 15 #34
Baitball Blogger Jan 15 #6
rusty fender Jan 15 #7
StarfishSaver Jan 15 #8
meadowlander Jan 15 #9
Jirel Jan 15 #25
mercuryblues Jan 15 #10
JHB Jan 15 #11
Hortensis Jan 15 #35
NewJeffCT Jan 15 #12
IcyPeas Jan 15 #19
Jirel Jan 15 #26
tinrobot Jan 15 #13
Dennis Donovan Jan 15 #14
dalton99a Jan 15 #16
Dennis Donovan Jan 15 #18
Jirel Jan 15 #29
muriel_volestrangler Jan 15 #21
canetoad Jan 15 #15
greenjar_01 Jan 15 #17
mopinko Jan 15 #20
Warpy Jan 15 #23
Perseus Jan 15 #22
lagomorph777 Jan 15 #31
Perseus Jan 15 #32
Texin Jan 15 #24
druidity33 Jan 15 #33
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 15 #27
MaryMagdaline Jan 15 #28
magicarpet Jan 15 #30
onenote Jan 15 #36
Qutzupalotl Jan 15 #37

Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:32 PM

1. Excellent post

Get thee to the greatest page

By the way Don the Con should be in a psychiatric ward permanently

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:32 PM

2. Crazy assholes are capable of immense harm

Exhibit A: Donald Trump

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:40 PM

3. Very important aspects of this surreal story!

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:40 PM

4. Trump's advice needs to be followed "Ask Rudy" - put the squeeze on him. nt

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:43 PM

5. Just when you think it couldn't get crazier...

It does! Swear to god... if this was a movie I’d start to wonder... “How twisted are these writers? Having a hard time believing this could happen.”

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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:17 PM

34. Oh, 3-4 years ago I was thinking I'd throw this away if it

was a novel, outrageously impossible to the point of being tediously unbelievable.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:44 PM

6. What does that say when you can't tell if someone is mentally ill, or just

an honorary member of the Republican party?

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:50 PM

7. The State Department told her to get

out of Ukraine on the next plane. Someone or a group of someone’s posed a danger to Yovanovitch. It may not have been Hyde.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:58 PM

8. I can't believe any of this is happening

Thanks for this.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:16 PM

9. The State Department would have investigated the authenticity of the threats

for, by example, determining if her phone and computer had actually been hacked.

The real story is why can't we see the outcomes of those investigations? Because Trump is blocking everything. If there was anything exculpatory we would have seen it already.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:23 PM

25. Important point.

Since the material has been seen by prosecutors, and at some point the state department (even if only now), there should be public follow up, and we should be demanding transparency.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:45 PM

10. I'm going with

Hyde didn't complete the job he was sent to do. He became paranoid about what harm might come to him. With this crew they are 1 fry short of a combo meal.

He seems like a loose cannon. Just the type of person that cabal would latch onto to create pandemonium. A great fall guy if their plans succeeded. An investigation might lead to him and his paranoia. It would have been easy to smear him and call him a "lone wolf." Everyone tsk-tsks and washes their hands.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:01 PM

11. Noting that Rudy was a federal prosecutor understates things

Rudy was the federal prosecutor who indicted 11 organized crime figures, including the heads of New York's so-called "Five Families", under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) on charges including extortion, labor racketeering, and murder for hire.

Not to mention his uncle was a loan shark and his father was his uncle's enforcer.

The man knows mobster-speak better than he knows English. No way he didn't know what what was implying.

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Response to JHB (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:20 PM

35. Yes, and by the 1990s, the crime busters, including him,

had damaged American organized crime families to the point that people like Trump, who laundered money for them, hooked up with the new organized crime figures rising in Eurasia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:03 PM

12. Hyde is NOT being backed by the Connecticut Republican Party

They condemned his comments about Senator Harris after he made them and asked him to withdraw from the race for the the US House - there are 4 or 5 other Republicans in the race as well.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:17 PM

19. well that's good at least

the repubs will put anyone in office obviously

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:26 PM

26. That was only as of December 3.

There’s a lot of space between Mid-May when he wound up in the psych ward, and early December when a number of Rethugs washed their hands of him... and only because of the reprehensible tweet.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:08 PM

13. You can't be completely sane and do what he was doing.

Sane people tend to follow the norms of society. He wasn't doing that.

My guess is that, yes, he was serious about following her and perhaps doing harm. Why? Because he's crazy.

When that failed, he started worrying about polonium in his sushi. Again, because he's crazy.

Simple.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:09 PM

14. New from Natasha Bertrand: Republican consultant had restraining order against Hyde - he violated it

...and GREAT question from Michelle Goldberg:



Michelle Goldberg ✔ @michelleinbklyn

One question that needs answering immediately is who if anyone was paying Hyde's expenses in Ukraine

Natasha Bertrand ✔ @NatashaBertrand

"The Intercept obtained police records showing that Hyde violated a restraining order issued by a Washington, DC superior court judge at the request of a Republican consultant who says that Hyde stalked her and intimidated her family over the last year." https://theintercept.com/2020/01/15/trump-supporter-who-discussed-surveillance-of-ambassador-marie-yovanovitch-has-history-of-stalking-mental-health-issues/

2:02 PM - Jan 15, 2020

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:12 PM

16. +1. Where did he get all that money?

Then in September 2016, Hyde began cutting checks to the Republican National Committee’s, Trump campaign and a joint fundraising committee for Trump and the GOP on a near daily basis — sometimes multiple checks over $1,000 in a day, FEC records show.

Hyde contributed $23,293 to the Trump campaign and Republican causes in the 2016 election cycle, FEC data shows. He also gave $25,000 to Trump’s inauguration, according to data shared by the Center for Responsive Politics.

In February 2019, he was evicted from a commercial address in Simsbury, Conn. where his landscaping business was formerly based, for failing to pay rent, court records show. Hyde said in an interview Monday he was never evicted and was unfamiliar with the address, although he listed it on paperwork for individual contributions he made in 2016, FEC records show.

An Old Saybrook marina sued Hyde for not paying for storage fees and services for his boat in January 2019, court records show. Hyde was ordered to pay the marina $4,708 in March. Hyde owns or owned a 36 foot motor boat that he registered in Connecticut in 2017, public records indicate. Hyde said in an interview Monday he does not own a boat and was unfamiliar with the lawsuit. But the legal complaint provided the address Hyde’s business is registered to in Connecticut, court records show.

In 2011, Hyde was arrested by Avon Police for reckless endangerment after his landscaping company’s work resulted in a tree falling on power lines.


https://www.ctinsider.com/politics/ctpost/article/CT-congressional-candidate-in-Trump-s-inner-14852723.php

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:15 PM

18. Great question - was he used as a "front" donor (the $$$ was in his name to mask true donor?)

Or, maybe landscaping's a better gig than I thought?

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:28 PM

29. He opened a DC consulting business in 2018.

That’s Rethug-speak for “send me your money, and dirty deeds done not so cheap.”

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:30 PM

21. Sounds like he neglected his old business to give money to Trump to get contacts

That article was written before his work on surveillance of an American ambassador came to light, of course. But it mentions his "special operations training", and his own website talks of work on a "security detail" in Iraq. So he will have met many mercenaries there, who could do the surveillance in Ukraine, or have contacts who could.

And other articles note he's $2,000 behind in child support payments. He's the kind of guy for whom sucking up to Donald Trump, and talking of action against US ambasadors, is more important than his own kid.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:10 PM

15. Good post

On yesterday's Rachel Maddow show she suggested that Hyde may be a 'fabulist', ie was pretending to be able to engage assassins just to big-note himself.

And...a belated welcome to DU.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:15 PM

17. Whether he actually did it is important

The rush to say he's just a crazy person is certainly interesting, as is the rush to say he was involved in some manner of assassination plot. Both seem equally unfounded at this point, though the purveyors of the first are quickest to wrap themselves in "seriousness" and "reasonableness."

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:27 PM

20. 9 days is a long time. you are lucky to get someone 72 hours involuntarily.

i suppose having the ss drag you in adds to the likelihood that you are gonna get that 3 days at the least. but 9 is an odd number. likely he agreed to the standard 30 day offered if your 72 hours doesnt go well, but he checked himself out.
wonder what he did next.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:56 PM

23. We called it "pink papered" back in New England and it was only a 72 hour hold.

After that, the person had to be let go or turned over to the cops to face charges.

72 hours isn't enough for a complete evaluation, let alone stabilizing someone on medication.

They'd have had to talk him into 9 days of treatment and allowing the drugs to kick in, at least a little.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:34 PM

22. Good points. My take on all this, which I find most important and I posted a blog on it

is one where we can use Lindsey Graham as an example. For some time we have been wondering what happened to Graham who had been such a critic of the con for so long, he said truths about the filthy character of the con and his family, and he was very aggressive about it too, but then one day he went out to play golf with the creature, and at the end of the round he had become a changed living thing, he went from a senator, friend of John McCain who seem to detest the creature but now he had become a lapdog, and has been the best lapdog the creature could have found in the Senate.

I believe that Graham, like many other GOP members have been threatened, not only them personally, but their families. trump and Putin work like the mafia, they don't believe in inviting someone to play golf to discuss the issues and try to convince the other person why they should come to their side of the issues, they go for the sure thing, you are with us or you and your family will have a lot of trouble, and that ladies and gentleman will convince a lot of people right after hole #1, right after you hit your drive, then you play the other 17 holes like a lapdog.

I believe many GOP members and their families have been threatened, there may some kompromat, but I believe more now after Lev Pernas information that "forza bruta" which the "cosa nostra" has used so effectively for so many years is the modus operandis of these crooks, and that is what I have concluded from last night's information.

I believe this is more sinister than just a few GOP members turning their heads the other way. Many of those republican politicians are very intelligent people, they know trump is a crook and a criminal, but they have been threatened and they know the threat is not an empty one.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:46 PM

31. It does look like brute force is part of the story. So many GOPs flipped to Russiapublican so fast.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:04 PM

32. That is a very good point, so many of them flipped very fast

And I can understand someone being threatened changing very quick.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:13 PM

24. "... Team Rudy kept him on the team"

And ask yourselves why that was. Rudy likely brought him into his "circle" knowing he was an on-again-off-again psychotic, but hey, he was a big donor and one of tRump's staunchest acolytes. So a very useful idiot, and one who is unstable enough to take the ball and run with it -- even it meant obtaining a Ukrainian hitman to take out Yovanovitch, probably because they believed they could create an argument for plausible deniability insofar as ordering him to get that done. Now, I am not saying that I actually think they gave him an order to try to "go shopping". I'm just saying he is the type of person who acts as a rogue agent, and for the likes of the Potomac mob, those kinds of people are frequently useful - before they become unuseful and inconvenient.

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Response to Texin (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:15 PM

33. Patsy? A Lee Harvey guy? nt.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:26 PM

27. Both things could be true.

He could have been both barking mad and working with Parnas and Giuliani to stalk and maybe do something else to Yovanovich.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:26 PM

28. K&R

Our entire State Department, defense, public servants are exposed to the lunacy which is running through this administration, starting from the top

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:42 PM

30. Nixon/Lee Atwater normalized the act of open racism/bible thumping...

trDump/Giuliani normalized the act of open assassination/murder.

The new next low by the Mafia Thug The Donald.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:42 PM

36. Hyde was never "backed" by the republican party for the 5th District Seat

The party's preferred candidate is David Sullivan, a former federal prosecutor who has shown himself to be the only one of the four or five republicans competing to be the party's nominee who can raise any money (although he's massively behind the Democratic incumbent in that regard).

But you're absolutely right about Team Rudy.

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Response to Jirel (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:47 PM

37. Do we know he was NOT being targeted?

His other behavior seems sociopathic but not psychotic. Factors such as stress and substance abuse (and maybe working with criminals) can bring about temporary psychotic breaks.

Considering he knew a lot about the Yovanovich plot, it’s not inconceivable that he was targeted for realz because mob.

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