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Tue Jan 14, 2020, 10:32 AM

We have 10 years to save Earth's biodiversity as mass extinction caused by humans takes hold

https://cnn.it/36U6rvE

We have 10 years to save Earth's biodiversity as mass extinction caused by humans takes hold, UN warns

(CNN) - Almost a third of the Earth will need to be protected by 2030 and pollution cut by half to save our remaining wildlife, as we enter the planet's sixth era of mass extinction, according to a United Nations agency.

The UN Convention on Biological Diversity released a draft plan on Monday, which sets global goals to combat the ongoing biodiversity crisis in the coming decades.

"Biodiversity, and the benefits it provides, is fundamental to human well-being and a healthy planet," the draft plan reads. "Despite ongoing efforts, biodiversity is deteriorating worldwide and this decline is projected to continue or worsen under business-as-usual scenarios."

"Biodiversity, and the benefits it provides, is fundamental to human well-being and a healthy planet," the draft plan reads. "Despite ongoing efforts, biodiversity is deteriorating worldwide and this decline is projected to continue or worsen under business-as-usual scenarios."

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Reply We have 10 years to save Earth's biodiversity as mass extinction caused by humans takes hold (Original post)
G_j Jan 14 OP
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 14 #1
MLAA Jan 14 #11
rwsanders Jan 14 #15
MLAA Jan 14 #25
rwsanders Jan 15 #39
MLAA Jan 15 #40
appalachiablue Jan 14 #34
defacto7 Jan 14 #2
CousinIT Jan 14 #3
dugog55 Jan 14 #4
bucolic_frolic Jan 14 #13
Submariner Jan 14 #5
jalan48 Jan 14 #8
Traildogbob Jan 14 #17
Bradshaw3 Jan 14 #26
Traildogbob Jan 14 #30
Bradshaw3 Jan 14 #32
Duppers Jan 14 #37
Newest Reality Jan 14 #27
Kaiserguy Jan 14 #6
G_j Jan 14 #7
jalan48 Jan 14 #9
maxsolomon Jan 14 #10
bucolic_frolic Jan 14 #12
0rganism Jan 14 #14
Moostache Jan 14 #20
0rganism Jan 14 #21
Crunchy Frog Jan 14 #36
rwsanders Jan 14 #16
Cetacea Jan 14 #18
Kablooie Jan 14 #19
Kaleva Jan 14 #22
Auggie Jan 14 #23
Kaleva Jan 14 #24
Auggie Jan 14 #28
Kaleva Jan 14 #29
Johnny2X2X Jan 14 #31
dugog55 Jan 14 #33
Duppers Jan 14 #38
Autumn Jan 14 #35

Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:14 AM

1. it's likely half that time ...

We seem to be running faster toward suicide than predictions; scientists keep expressing surprise at the speed of change and its consequences.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:35 PM

11. Even a third that time.

I think it’s too late. I’m convinced The single biggest thing we can do is stop eating animals and animal products. I have little hope enough will do this or anything else to change our trajectory. I’m am trying to do and see the things on my wish list now instead of over the next 15 years as I would have otherwise. 🙂

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Response to MLAA (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:57 PM

15. I knew it was a big cause, but this short snarky article by Lee Camp really wrapped it up for me

www.truthdig.com/articles/the-1-cause-of-climate-change-the-media-dont-mention/

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Response to rwsanders (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 02:55 PM

25. Wow, this article really nets it out! It is excellent.

I do lots of reading but had not seen this article. Thank you so much for posting. I am lucky that none of my close friends eat any animal products. So we have wonderful dinner parties. And I’ve been working with my husband and have him down to an occasional egg or tuna sandwich!

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Response to MLAA (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:50 AM

39. I wish we could join you, after this documentary we want to switch but are having difficulty...

https://gamechangersmovie.com/
My wife went through chemo and surgery for breast cancer which is why we need to switch and why it is hard to switch!!

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Response to rwsanders (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:47 AM

40. Yes, I saw the movie and it is excellent!

I haven’t read the book by Dr Funk about eating plant based diet for breast cancer, however I’ve read other studies and articles that demonstrate the major benefits of plant based (and might require low oil, low salt, low sugar) diet.

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/angelina-jolie-surgeon-dr-kristi-funk-breast-cancer-271208

If you check out Dr McDougal’s website and TrueNorth website you will also see good results for breast cancer and other cancers. I went to a 3 day workshop with Dr McDougal and I’ve gone to TrueNorth twice. Both are in Santa Rosa California.

https://www.healthpromoting.com/

https://www.drmcdougall.com/

Finally another resource is Dr Gregor. He does free daily videos, just go to his website and get on his distribution list. He presents science and studies about plant based diet in easy to absorb couple minute videos and has a great book ‘how not to die’

Oh, and regarding preventing or reversing heart disease:
Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease : The Revolutionary, Scientifically Proven, Nutrition-Based Cure by Caldwell B., Jr. Esselstyn

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Response to rwsanders (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:40 PM

34. Love Lee! I posted his article in the Environ. & Energy group. Thanks.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:18 AM

2. I remember an anaysis about 4 years ago

that said the point of no return was in about 9 years from that time. The point is we have no time to waste. None. It seems the percentage of error in determining a time limit is +/- 50%, somewhere between today and 15 years. Statistically speaking, time's up.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:52 AM

3. IOW, WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR TRUMP! n/t

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:59 AM

4. Call it what is actually is,

not mass extinction by humans, but a mass extermination. Every polluting or insect poisoning party knows full well what it is doing. And they will keep doing it for the money and shareholders. Animal populations from insects to large mammals is down close to 50% from 40 years ago. For anyone older than 50, if they just spent time outside and paid attention, they would see with their own eyes the lack of any kind of animals.

When I was young, it was nothing to see flocks with thousands of birds in them. Many different kinds of birds too. Now, if you see 30 birds together it is something. We have been poisoning insects for decades, and with some of the new insect resistant crops, bug populations are way down. That is the bottom of the food chain for millions of other animals, and the loss of bugs is starting decimate larger animal populations.

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Response to dugog55 (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:43 PM

13. Bugs and yeast run our bodies

to give it energy. It's all going to change radically.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:13 PM

5. Too late already they are just afraid to say it

Three billion people in 1960. Almost 8 billion today. Water wars just around the corner.

If Trump wins it's hard to express how totally screwed we are.

At 411 ppm CO2 in 2020, there is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube here.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:18 PM

8. +1

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Response to Submariner (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:12 PM

17. The ugly truth

Overpopulation. I spent 30 years as college faculty teaching forest ecology and wildlife science. The number one destruction of ecosystems from all different regions is overpopulation of one species and the change in climate, creating those unbalanced diverse systems. Not just theory or past history, I saw it happening over my entire career from small isolated wood lots, aquatic habitats to entire forest systems. In Western North Carolina there have been multiple species of trees and plants going or gone. The species causing the problem always eat themselves out of existence, without population control, predators etc. Those systems WILL go on and are, going on, with a different species make up, and the one that created the destruction WILL be gone. So, outlaw birth control and keep breeding like Romnies and Santorums. What could go wrong. Give your kids and grandkids a choice of a life or rapture. Do not force them to drink the kool aide and die because you have had your time and "I" lelieve mansions and streets of gold are waiting for us.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:04 PM

26. Thanks for the input

Meta analyses are good but it's always great to hear from scientists and researchers like yourself on the front lines.

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:24 PM

30. ✌️ Scary future,

Remember every disaster movie ever, there are always those that refuse to believe the warning? Remember How cool it was to see their faces as they perish in disbelief? As much as I dispise those people here now I prefer to not get my kicks to see those faces in real life. I have a daughter. Just enjoying saying I told you so, not the direction I want to go. We have been warning since the 70's. Trump has single handedly destroyed any progress we have made to face that future, as small as those steps have been. I have been annually in massive stream restoration, trail clean up, am a Certified Master Trainer for "Leave No Trace" backcountry ethics, Project Wild Trainer, Project Learning Tree, Kids In The Creek aquatic ecology on site training and education, created an Earth Ranger Certification program for elementary school kids and went into those schools multiple times a year. Now here we are, many of those kids are now adults. I hope to god I got through to some that now see their future at a turning point and are ready to fight. I hate trump and the GOP earth destroying criminals. They care nothing for the future of even their own kids.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:53 PM

32. Your last line is most telling

Greed, power and tribalism trump (pun intended) science and facts and even family for those people. I try to do what I can ecologically knowing that in the end it likely won't matter.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:02 PM

37. Thank you!!

Sometime ago I was attacked by suggesting people stop having more than one, if any children.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:07 PM

27. True...

We may have had ten years ten years ago or longer, but now?

I think any prognostications about time frames are simply a form of misplaced optimism and maybe some wishful thinking.

The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist waits for it to change. The realist adjusts the sails.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:15 PM

6. Meanwhile

the idiot that stole the White House is gutting environmental regulations. All he cares about is putting money in his greed little hands and doesn't care what it cost in terms of lost lives. I think to that sick SOB that the loss of lives is a plus.

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Response to Kaiserguy (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:17 PM

7. And his cult

would poison the earth just to see the “libtards cry”.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:23 PM

9. It's going to get very crazy very soon as humans compete for resources that will keep them alive.

We've been living in a Disney World for so long we've convinced ourselves that it's real.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:25 PM

10. Then it is too late.

10 years is the blink of an eye, and we do not have the collective will to do anything collectively.

Humans will only react to short-term crises. For a slow rolling apocalypse like this one, they must be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.

And we have Trump.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:40 PM

12. Great, it's on my calendar for 2029

We really are playing with fire. Bees. Bugs. Heat. Just those three things could impact human populations. That's where I think adverse impacts might alter the course. But big changes are ahead.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:45 PM

14. since this isn't going to happen, we need mitigation strategies

substantial set-asides for wildlife refuges, seed and ovum vaults, no-fishing zones in the oceans and rivers, ways to dissolve plastic debris without harming algae, and so on. development and deployment. worldwide scale and participation, including China, Russia, and India.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:47 PM

20. In other words: BOHICA...FTLT

Bend over, here it comes again...for the last time.

Humanity is on the precipice of extinction and has been misled by short-sighted greed to ignore it. Capitalism was ALWAYS a Faustian bargain...infinite growth is required to drive it, and that was NEVER possible on a finite resource planet - unless EVERYTHING was based on the one renewable input into the system - solar energy. Without a complete and total restructuring of the world's major economic model, and a corresponding change to local, sustainable farming and away from industrial, carbon-input based corporate farming, we are going to be all gone before 2100.

If we had spent the last 60 years investing in solar power, battery storage of electricity and efficiency improvements on transmission and regeneration, then MAYBE you could have adapted capitalism to allow for the continued mantra of GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH...but we did not. Now, we are faced with the truth - there simply was too many people stealing too many current energy needs from dead and gone carbon repositories to last forever.

Yet what do we have?
Trump - a man so stupid and inept and corrupt that he LOST MONEY in casinos...literally having the odds stacked in HIS favor was not enough!

Inhofe - making jokes and holding snowballs while stuffing his pockets with oil cash...

There are just too many examples to bother listing more, but they all have a common element - GREED and a total willingness to LIE to keep the spigot flowing.

Our current society and its structures are almost completely out of time - its too late to save them, and time to save even half of the humans alive today is rapidly dwindling. Think of watching bath water drain from a tub...a first it seems very slow, then more rapid until at the very end it seems to just disappear...we're at THAT stage NOW.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 02:08 PM

21. the biosphere will likely improve without us (or with far less of us)

every time a species goes extinct, we lose a time-tested solution to the questions of basic survival that persisted on this planet for millions of years before humans put our opposable thumbs on the scales of adaptive pressure. who knows what secrets those plants and animals held? what cures and benefits lay within their genes that could have aided us? what opportunities for symbiosis we have missed? some tiny frog in the Amazon or some odd plant in the Australian outback might have shown us the cure for cancer or osteoporosis, but that is lost to us now, washed away in the sea of time.

i think it's vital that we at least keep accurate and detailed records of what we've learned for the beings that follow us up, whether they be primate, cephalopod, insectoid or even artificial life. someone had to go first into the valley of sentience and technology, and apparently, for better or worse, it was our burden to bear. perhaps "passing the torch" gracefully is the most we can do now.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 10:34 PM

36. I honestly could care less that we might "lose some new medicines" due to our mass

extermination campaign against other species. I've never believed that the organisms of this Earth were important because of whatever we might be able to extract from them to benefit ourselves. For me, that's as ridiculous as saying that ordinary humans have value because they can be used as serfs by big corporations.

In any event, there have been multiple mass extinctions since the emergence of complex life, and whatever is left always radiates and diversifies to produce new biodiversity.

I don't think that humans are going to be among the extinct, but at least we may get our population back down to a sustainable level, and develop some new, more sustainable economic philosophies.












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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:01 PM

16. Not to be a pessimist here, but if we can't save the vaquita, I don't see how we can even hope

to tackle bigger issues.
Yet even the major environmental groups have been hands off of that one. I'm guessing they don't want to be tied to a losing battle.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017542746

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:30 PM

18. We are addicted to Hopium. I doubt that humans have ten years

Runaway Abrupt Climate Change will bring with it habitat loss for all mammals, humans included. We think that we are somehow immune to mass extinction. Almost funny.
Most of the scenarios for the future focus on very narrow parameters. It's probably too late to stop it. We should be focusing on mitigation, but we won't.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:31 PM

19. Umm ... nope. The culling of the herd has already started in Australia.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 02:15 PM

22. Despite the overwhelming evidence, there doesn't seem to be much motivation to prepare.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 02:27 PM

23. So when does the shit really hit the fan? Like crop failure in the USA?

A 100 year California Drought? Mass flooding in southern Florida?

2025? This summer?

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Response to Auggie (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 02:47 PM

24. What areas of the US are you interested in?

The effects of climate change are not going to be uniform around the world or even in the US.

Here is a link to one site out of many that could provide you with helpful info:

https://eos.org/features/how-will-climate-change-affect-the-united-states-in-decades-to-come

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:07 PM

28. I know its not uniform. That why I cited three examples

One or two of those events could happen over the course of a year. And extended drought would require several, of course.

I'm wondering what the undeniable "Holy Shit" moment will be for the US. Another Australia-like event, with half of California on fire? Empty supermarket shelves in Pittsburgh? Miami Beach ... underwater?

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Response to Auggie (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:15 PM

29. My "Holy Shit!" moment hit me a few years ago so it's different for everyone.

Most every day I spend anywhere from a few minutes to several hours doing projects that may enable me and my wife, step-children and grand-children to better prepare what the predicted effects of climate change will bring to our way of life.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:32 PM

31. More import to act than ever

Listen, we are past the point of no return, we're not going to save the planet as we know it, and that makes it even more important to act now, because we can still save enough to make it livable for most.

I always knew that the Cons would transition from denial to surrender. We are seeing that now, less and less they are denying global warming exists, and less and less they are denying it's primarily man made. But now they are in the, "It's too late to do anything about it" phase. We cannot let them sow this hopelessness into the masses. What we do now is more important than ever and can mean the difference between a livable, albeit changed, world and a wasteland of immeasurable human and animal suffering.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:43 PM

33. I know it is just a clip from a movie, but

this speech in "Tomorrowland" hits the mark. &t=12s

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Response to dugog55 (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:17 PM

38. No, they do not believe .

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:55 PM

35. It's not going to happen in 10 years, I doubt it will happen at all. It's going to be

business-as-usual.

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