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Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:33 PM

Let me ask it a different way: who would Epstien's death protect?

This is what I still don't get from the conspiracy theories.

He was a blackmailer. We kind of all agree about that, right?

As such his blackmail evidence still exists whatever happens to him. That's kind of the whole point.

Who do people think Epstien's death benefited? Because if there was evidence against them, it's still in existence. What is the actual theory here?

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Reply Let me ask it a different way: who would Epstien's death protect? (Original post)
Recursion Jan 11 OP
Kurt V. Jan 11 #1
Recursion Jan 11 #2
Kurt V. Jan 11 #8
brush Jan 11 #10
alwaysinasnit Jan 11 #17
brush Jan 11 #19
alwaysinasnit Jan 11 #21
brush Jan 11 #22
alwaysinasnit Jan 11 #23
brush Jan 11 #24
alwaysinasnit Jan 11 #25
Captain Zero Jan 11 #30
brush Jan 11 #32
Squinch Jan 11 #3
Recursion Jan 11 #5
Squinch Jan 11 #9
leftieNanner Jan 11 #4
Recursion Jan 11 #6
shanti Jan 11 #7
Squinch Jan 11 #11
2naSalit Jan 11 #12
Squinch Jan 11 #13
dewsgirl Jan 11 #14
grumpyduck Jan 11 #15
brush Jan 11 #29
A HERETIC I AM Jan 11 #16
lark Jan 11 #18
TexasBushwhacker Jan 11 #20
alwaysinasnit Jan 11 #26
A HERETIC I AM Jan 11 #27
Laffy Kat Jan 11 #28
Wounded Bear Jan 12 #34
uponit7771 Jan 11 #31
lame54 Jan 12 #33

Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:35 PM

1. first hand knowledge?

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:37 PM

2. I mean, no?

Nobody's claimed that, and at any rate there's video evidence that is well-attested.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:43 PM

8. i mean first hand knowledge is more reliable. plenty of powerful ppl would be scared of that.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:48 PM

10. Next order of business after his death would be to get and destroy...

the tapes. Anyone blocking that would do so at their own peril.

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Response to brush (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:11 PM

17. But what if the blackmail material wasn't destroyed? If the material just changed hands, the

leverage continues and is under the control of one or more people who might have different agendas? I don't think this out of the realm of possibility.

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:21 PM

19. True, but whoever tried blackmail would be in extreme danger. If the killers could...

get to Epstein even in jail, you're taking a huge chance.

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Response to brush (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:28 PM

21. I was thinking about the raids on Epstein's homes and offices. I know this seems to edge into

conspiracy theory, but wasn't it the FBI (as part of the DOJ) that raided those places? If the DOJ had access...

Perhaps I should just stop and pour myself a drink.

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:33 PM

22. Barr heads the DOJ and the FBI. Do you trust him?

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Response to brush (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:34 PM

23. That was my point. What if AG Barr now has that blackmail material (assuming it wasn't destoyed)?

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:43 PM

24. He does trump and the rest of the rich perverts' dirty work. i suppose the rogue AG...

could go rogue on them if he wanted to put his own life in danger.

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Response to brush (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:44 PM

25. +1000

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Response to brush (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 09:51 PM

30. What if someone could convince key players

That they DID HAVE Epsteins kompromat? Someone unknown.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:03 PM

32. OK, try going against a connected group of rich, powerful perverts who've already...

killed someone in jail, thinking they can't find out who you are and won't hire a hitman to kill you? Good luck.

How would you even get the money? Forget wires or ETFs as they've got shady banking connections all over the world to track down who owns what account number.

Maybe bitcoins? That's a good way to get scammed out of money before the hitman even gets to you.

That always leaves the briefcase switch in an airport or the paper bag drop on city park bench---nah, too much of a b-movie cliche.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:39 PM

3. Anyone he might have testified against to get a better deal for himself.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:41 PM

5. But the videos are still there. He had a whole safe of them

This doesn't actually help anybody. Epstien was never going to be testiying in these cases.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:46 PM

9. How do you know the videos are all there? He can ask anything of any of the people he has

evidence on. If he had any brains, he did not keep all his evidence in one place.

And what makes you think he was never going to testify? Or, if not testify, at least threaten to testify. The guy was a mess. If he thought someone could make things better for himself, he would have done whatever it took.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:41 PM

4. Perhaps AG Barr

Was able to make some of that evidence disappear.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:42 PM

6. Now.... that actually makes some sense.

Damn it. That makes more sense than I like.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:43 PM

7. He did visit him the night before he died

Barr was very much involved in this shit.

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Response to shanti (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:51 PM

11. Barr's family was also VERY involved with Epstein going waaaayyy back.

Barr's father hired Epstein to teach at the Dalton School in NYC when Epstein was 21. That's an elite prep school where the rest of the faculty has advanced degrees. Epstein did not have a college degree or any teaching experience or qualifications when Barr's father hired him. To teach kids.

Not sure how that ties in, but I bet it does somehow.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:59 PM

12. Wasn't that when

he started his slavery business? And Barr's dad was already a f'ing creep so I suspect they started the empire of slavery together and I suspect that Wm was involved all along too. Then there are all those clients... after how many decades?

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:02 PM

13. I don't know that there was any evidence of it starting there or then, but he must have had

something on Headmaster Barr to convince him to hire Epstein when Epstein had no qualifications whatsoever. In a school where there was a lot of competition for teaching jobs, and a lot of scrutiny on the teachers by influential parents.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:04 PM

14. Dr.Jack did a body language of Barr giving a speech after

Epstein died, I think he 100 percent had something to do with it.

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Response to shanti (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:06 PM

15. I didn't know that.

Reminds of the scene in Godfather II when Tom Hagen visited Frankie Pentangeli in prison.

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Response to grumpyduck (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 09:14 PM

29. He probably had conversations with jail officials too...about arrangements, security...

cameras and such.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:08 PM

16. It is quite likely that he was "suppying" teenage girls to dozens of powerful men

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My guess is that he was a world class deviant, and he shared or rather procured young girls to be sexually exploited by dozens of men, if not more. Most of them would have their lives ruined (as it should be) if it ever came out that they were "clients" of his.

He had a remote ranch out west he used for this purpose.

The dude was a pimp and his clientele had/have a shit ton of money and influence.

The fact that he never made it to trial alive is absolutely no surprise.

Edit to give credit to those commenters above who posted while I was typing.

The idea that he was seriously into sexual slavery is very likely spot on.

Edited to lose the word "pedophile" from the first sentence. It is not accurate.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:15 PM

18. He and drumpf were jointly charged with rape by a girl who had been 14 at the time.

There's lots of other very famous - Price Andrew is just 1 example of many - men who hung out out Epsteins young teen sex parties.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:26 PM

20. He was a pimp, an extortionist and a ephebephile

A pedophile prefers pre-adolescent children, ages 10 and under. A hebephile prefers children in early adolescence, ages 11- 14. His preference was for girls in late adolescence, ages 15 -19. He sought out girls who were poor and vulnerable, generally from single parent homes.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:48 PM

26. I learned something new today, despite the awful topic it relates to. Thanks TexasBushwhacker.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:52 PM

27. "Ephebephile" (sic)..fair enough

I had not heard that term before. "Ephebophile" certainly applies. I was considering the term "Pederast" but that applies to homosexual relations between adult men and boys. Epstein does not appear to have been attracted to young boys, but if it came out that he had procured them also, I would not be surprised.

I grew up and "came of age" in South Florida in the late 70's through the 80's.

I'm not about to divulge any of what I know of that culture, except to say that Epstein's ability to live in Palm Beach and carry on as he did, for as long as he did comes as absolutely NO SURPRISE AT ALL to me.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:54 PM

28. Exactly. I always want to correct people about the pedophilia label.

Thank you. I'm by NO MEANS down-playing what he was and what these men did--a predator is a predator but clarity is important.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 06:59 AM

34. I suspect that "dozens" might be a low estimate...

We need, as a society, to rein in the "rich and powerful" in the world.

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 09:55 PM

31. An already admitted sexual predator who abuses children by taking them away from their parents?

... named Donald Trump

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Response to Recursion (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:53 AM

33. Dead Men Tell No Tales - Patent Pending

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