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Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:31 AM

Large protests spooling up in Iran over the Ukraine airliner shootdown



Jesus, could this accidental shootdown actually bring down the regime? Probably not, but this is an interesting development...

On edit:




"Editor in Chief of Tasnim, IRGC's media." State media's even taking IRGC to task!

On edit: Live updates here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/world/middleeast/plane-crash.html

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Reply Large protests spooling up in Iran over the Ukraine airliner shootdown (Original post)
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 OP
Thomas Hurt Jan 11 #1
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #3
Sherman A1 Jan 11 #5
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #7
Thomas Hurt Jan 11 #12
underpants Jan 11 #4
jberryhill Jan 11 #6
dalton99a Jan 11 #9
Afromania Jan 11 #2
SQUEE Jan 11 #8
waddirum Jan 11 #15
SQUEE Jan 12 #30
Dorian Gray Jan 15 #34
evertonfc Jan 11 #10
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #11
Igel Jan 11 #17
underpants Jan 11 #26
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #13
enid602 Jan 11 #14
tblue37 Jan 11 #23
enid602 Jan 11 #29
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #16
Igel Jan 11 #18
rollin74 Jan 11 #19
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #20
dware Jan 11 #21
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #22
rollin74 Jan 11 #24
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #25
EX500rider Jan 11 #27
calimary Jan 15 #31
Takket Jan 11 #28
NCLefty Jan 15 #32
Dennis Donovan Jan 15 #33

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:34 AM

1. Trump is the luckiest prick to walk the Earth.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:36 AM

3. Trump can't take credit for shit.

The IRGC fucked up hard, and even its supporters are pissed.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:45 AM

5. Sure he can

He doesn't deserve any credit for anything, but he will certainly take credit for everything.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:46 AM

7. He can always try

He always, at least, tries...

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:58 AM

12. I don't believe that you make your own luck bee ess.

Trump assassinates a foreign leader
Iran retaliates and warns Iraq they are going to do it.
Almost at the same time they eff up and shoot down a civilian airliner.

That malignant f**k started this mess and by circumstance and luck, Iranians have managed to make him look better than he deserves.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:37 AM

4. As I was scrolling down I was thinking just about exactly the same thing

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:45 AM

6. Once in a while, the lottery pays off, but...


Trump is bound to exult in the deaths of these innocent victims as a victory.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:49 AM

9. No shit.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:35 AM

2. What a hell of a week.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:47 AM

8. Arm them, and allow them to do what they need to do to throw off the yoke of religious tyrany.


The Iranians are a wonderful and resourceful people, hamstrung by religious zealots, and extremist madmen. A democratic Iran would be a wonderful and powerful hedge against KSA.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 12:10 PM

15. Arm them?

What the hell does that mean?

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Response to waddirum (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 10:35 AM

30. Provide weapons

OF all types.

We have ways to get them both, weapons, and devices to communicate. They deserve a chance to be free of the mullahs, but have no realistic way to do this by vote, they are completely at the mercy of a regime that has all the weapons.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:46 AM

34. Imagine if Trump

stumbled ass backward into unleashing democracy in Iran? It would be a great accomplishment for any president, and Donny Dotard may accidentally fall on top of it. I'll take it for the people of Iran. Wishing safety and security to the iranian people. Godspeed.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:50 AM

10. My Iranian friends

absolutely despise thier leader and states if not for being killed like dogs, the under 40 demographic would overthrow the current govt. I hear stories of people being pulled from thier homes and executed in street for opposition. I have a large group of Iranian friends that have migrated here over ladt 40 years and they want this dudes head but not via military action that might make it worse

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:52 AM

11. Internal, non-violent overthrow (with no US fingerprints on it) would be the best outcome

Praying for them.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

17. At times I've had a lot of Russian acquaintances and coworkers.

And to a person they all despised the Soviet state and Putin.

They looked down on Eltsin as simply incompetent, that's different from despising for cause.

They were all emigres.

Then I found myself in some situations with Russians that were not emigres. Some were studying abroad, at a time when there were no favors for loyal Communists. Some were sent abroad as instructions or they came to the US for a while to conduct business or as part of a sister-city project.

And to a person they all loved the Soviet state and, later, Putin.

Made me stop and realize that all the Russians that left the USSR/Russia had a reason for it, and in a country where the economy is the government, education is the government, employment is the government, etc., etc., every dissatisfaction that could lead to emigration--from ethnic discrimination to unemployment to political repression--necessarily was aimed at the government. So my sample was skewed.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:24 PM

26. That's what I've read. Thanks. They are sick of being cut off from the world.

Can't buy online (if they have online) no Twitter etc.
It's basically the same thing that brought down the Soviet Union - blue jeans and rock n roll.

I've always thought the nuke deal was the Iranian Governments effort to placate the younger folks. Get some banking access into the rest of the world and steps towards relieving sanctions.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 11:03 AM

13. "...all this could have been our son, wife, sister and real brother"

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 12:02 PM

14. Odd

Funny. I don't remember massive protests here in the States in 1983 after we 'accidentally' shot down Iran Air Flt 655. 290 died.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 02:13 PM

23. Many (most?) on the plane shot down by Iran were Iranians, so of course Iranians

are especially upset. Americans tend not to get that upset if innocent people from countries they consider hostile end up getting killed. If the plane the U.S. shot down had been filled with innocent Americans, then there would have been protests here, too.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:43 PM

29. medal

Maybe then, we would not have awarded the commander of the Vincennes with a Medal of Honor.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

16. More (this is really turning into a thing):

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 12:16 PM

18. They had protests last month and the month before.

Wasn't a big deal in the news because we had important things to read about.

It was one of the complaints from some activists about the Soleimani killing. Suddenly all the anti-government protests had something that bound them to the government they had protested, and it was viewed by some as Trump's betrayal of the protestors.

It wouldn't have been nearly so bad if the government hadn't said, immediately, "No, it most definitely wasn't us." From the news reader to the top-dog ayatollah. Followed by denials of the obviously false accusations of the West that it was Iran who was responsible--basically, "they're just saying that because they hate us and always accuse us of lying."

Oops.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

19. Good. I wish the best for the protesters

trying to rise up against the religious dictatorship governing them

past efforts by the masses to stand up to the govít have been met with extreme violence and lots of activists disappearing

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 01:08 PM

20. New developments: "What is the price of war with the world? The price of lies?"

That could apply to the US under Trump, as well








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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 01:17 PM

21. Iran screwed up, unintentionally, but still a colossal screw up.

They had the sympathy of the world, it united the citizens against the US, and then, shockingly, they didn't do what common sense would dictate, shut down IKA to commercial air traffic while on high alert and exert more control over their AA defenses.

I wouldn't want to be that missile battery's commander or personnel right now.

This has the potential to really blow up in the Iranian leadership's faces.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 02:03 PM

22. Update: Security forces & protesters standoff. "Our hands are empty, put your guns down."

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 02:14 PM

24. I fear for the protesters. Hoping for non-violence

demos in the past have been met with gunfire in the street or attacks by Basij thugs

letís hope that the outcome here is different

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 03:37 PM

25. "...a high ranking western diplomat was arrested... in front of Amir Kabir university"





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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Macaire_(diplomat)



Robert (Rob) Nigel Paul Macaire CMG (19 February 1966) is a British diplomat. He was previously the Director of Political Risk in BG Group plc before going on to become the UK Ambassador to Iran.


On edit - detained and released:


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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:30 PM

27. The BBC added this tidbit:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51077788

Some demonstrators chanted for the resignation of the commander in chief - Ayatollah Khamenei.

The semi-official Fars news agency carried a rare report of the anti-government unrest, saying up to 1,000 people had gathered, chanting slogans against leaders and tearing up pictures of Soleimani.


I knew he wasn't as popular as portrayed, only with the hardliners, he and the QUDS force have some involvement in the heavy handed treatment of protesters in Iran.

Soleimani was a general in the IRGC (Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps) whose main job was to keep the religious dictatorship in power. Thus while Soleimani spent most of his time causing mayhem in other countries (as commander of Quds Force), he was called in when unruly Iranians had to be pacified. In Iran, it is no secret that Soleimani was a hardliner when it comes to domestic unrest.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:30 AM

31. Most interesting.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:31 PM

28. not surprised they are pissed

0 Americans died in retaliation for Soleimani. Their leadership killed more Iranian civilians on that plane than they did Americans. Not the retaliation they were sold on.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:32 AM

32. Unless this grows to an unmanagable level, they will Put It Down (as before).

See: Iran.

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Response to NCLefty (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:31 AM

33. They already have to a degree

The activists have retreated to campuses. Hopefully re-grouping for another go. The Iranian people deserve better than Ayatollahs and Shahs.

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