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Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:37 PM

Hot damn!!!! New York Bar is after Fu-Barr's license.




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Reply Hot damn!!!! New York Bar is after Fu-Barr's license. (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2020 OP
Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #1
OhNo-Really Jan 2020 #11
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2020 #65
alwaysinasnit Jan 2020 #31
rockfordfile Jan 2020 #2
soldierant Jan 2020 #27
spanone Jan 2020 #3
fleur-de-lisa Jan 2020 #4
iluvtennis Jan 2020 #5
BamaRefugee Jan 2020 #6
hurple Jan 2020 #14
live love laugh Jan 2020 #40
certainot Jan 2020 #42
calimary Jan 2020 #67
Lonestarblue Jan 2020 #7
hlthe2b Jan 2020 #8
NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #10
Ms. Toad Jan 2020 #30
MineralMan Jan 2020 #9
onetexan Jan 2020 #20
MineralMan Jan 2020 #23
jberryhill Jan 2020 #33
shanti Jan 2020 #12
marble falls Jan 2020 #13
progressoid Jan 2020 #15
marble falls Jan 2020 #21
FakeNoose Jan 2020 #19
marble falls Jan 2020 #22
OliverQ Jan 2020 #16
EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #18
Ms. Toad Jan 2020 #32
NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #47
EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #17
MontanaMama Jan 2020 #24
world wide wally Jan 2020 #25
jberryhill Jan 2020 #50
Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #26
jberryhill Jan 2020 #28
Ms. Toad Jan 2020 #29
Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #36
Ms. Toad Jan 2020 #43
jberryhill Jan 2020 #49
Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #34
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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:43 PM

1. Is this "passing the buck"?

Barr should be disbarred first. It looks like the NY Bar is too frightened to disbar and is passing the issue on to Congress. The Bar should be taking independent action.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:27 PM

11. It's The New York Bar Association not NY State Bar

So the title is a bit misleading. We made this mistake a couple of months ago, too.

Still good news

OVERVIEW

The New York City Bar Association (City Bar), founded in 1870, is a voluntary association of lawyers and law students. Since 1896, the organization, officially known as the Association of the Bar of the City of New York, has been headquartered in a landmark building on 44th Street, between Fifth and Sixth Avenues in Manhattan.

Today the NY City Bar has over 24,000 members


https://www.nycbar.org/about


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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 09:17 PM

65. Most of the Bar associations are state level


but I can appreciate the need for a large city having it's own Association.

Also he seems to be a member of the DC Bar, and there are petitions calling for his removal there.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:14 PM

31. Not necessarily; Barr is licensed to practice in Virginia, I believe.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:43 PM

2. What took them so long?

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:00 PM

27. I don't believe he is a member of either association,

nor am I sure (from reading elsewhere) whether he is even licensed in New York (if he is, it's not by the ABA,, because they don't license in New York. I believe the State does that there.)

Apparently he is licensed in DC and Virginia.

They certainly got one thing right - the DOJ would never suthorize investigating him. Congress is the only body which would, at the Federal level.

Virginia just turned blue, though - there might be some hope there.

I suggest never assuming that anyone writing a sternly worded letter actually has any authority to do anything else. That is not always the case.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:44 PM

3. K&R...⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:54 PM

4. K&R

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:00 PM

5. Excellent news. nt

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:02 PM

6. A STERNLY WORDED LETTER! That should put the fear into Barr!

Just curious why WE always send letters and applaud clever tweets while the bad guys bypass that stuff and just do outrageous things with nobody stopping them?

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:47 PM

14. Exactly

That's why we keep losing and they're taking over the world

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:31 PM

40. 💯

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:35 PM

42. because we ignore 1500 coordinated radio stations as dem/liberal policy. so lmbaaugh

can lead a few hundred paid liars excusing trump/gop and blaming everything on democrats from those 1500 stations, to 50 mil a week, all day long.

with no response

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Response to certainot (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 10:30 AM

67. Yep. THIS. Absolutely NO push-back.

Just a free ride to hate. With no consequences. But tons of rewards and money and fame and TV shows and power and other positive reinforcement.

Nothing but reward for this despicable behavior. No wonder this poison spread like an Australian wildfire.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:02 PM

7. Would this make a difference to Trump?

He would just issue an executive order saying ok for the AG not to be a current lawyer.

The only way to get rid of Barr is to get rid of Trump.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:12 PM

8. Unless NY State Bar follows suit, this won't mean a loss of license. Just sayin..

But it is a start.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:26 PM

10. Ted Lieu had done this several months ago

referring Barr to be reviewed by the Virginia and DC bar associations - not sure what became of that.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:14 PM

30. He's not licensed in New York State

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:14 PM

9. Which New York Bar?

My favorite is the Blue Bar at the Algonquin Hotel, but there are many others I like, too.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:06 PM

20. LOL love your humor MM

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Response to onetexan (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:11 PM

23. Thank you kindly!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:16 PM

33. Might as well be that one

 

Because the Blue Bar at the Algonquin Hotel has as much authority over anyone's license to practice law as this organization does.

False information directly to the front page of DU. Yay!


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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:27 PM

12. Yes please!

His behavior cannot stand.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:42 PM

13. Somethings wrong with the tweet link!

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Response to marble falls (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:54 PM

15. Here's the link to the NYC bar's pdf

http://documents.nycbar.org/files/Exercising_Congressional_Oversight_AG_Barr_01082020.pdf

Dear Speaker Pelosi, Minority Leader McCarthy, Majority Leader McConnell, and Minority Leader Schumer:Wewrite on behalf of the New York City Bar Association (the ďCity BarĒ) to urge Congress to commence formal inquiries into a pattern of conduct by Attorney General William P. Barr that threatens publicconfidence in the fair and impartial administration of justice.We make this request based upon our belief, as similarly recognized by Mr. Barr during his Senate confirmation hearings, that the Attorney General occupies a unique position with special obligations as the nationís top law enforcement officer. We also make this request in keeping with the City Barís mission to embrace advancement of the rule of law and the fair administration of justice, especially by those who are entrusted with important public responsibilities....

As further described below, Mr. Barrísrecent actions and statements position the Attorney General and, by extension,the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) as political partisans willing to use the levers of government to empower certain groups over others.These statements are the latest examples of a broader pattern of conduct that is inconsistent with the role of the Attorney General in our legal and constitutional system and with the norms and standards that govern the fair administration of justice. We urge Congress to exercise its constitutional authority to investigate this troubling pattern of conduct, in order to assess Mr. Barrís actions as Attorney General and to consider any legislative and oversight responses and remedies that may be necessary.

The duties to act impartially, to avoid even the appearance of partiality and impropriety, and to avoid manifesting bias, prejudice, or partisanship in the exercise of official responsibilities are bedrock obligations for government lawyers.In the context of pending investigations, government lawyers also are obliged to be circumspect in their public statements and to avoid prejudging the outcomes of those investigations.

Mr. Barr has disregarded these fundamental obligations in several extended public statements during the past few months:

etc...

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Response to progressoid (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:07 PM

21. Whoa. That sounds more serious than partisan.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:01 PM

19. I got it by clicking on the date of the tweet

Once you go to Mimi Rocah's twitter feed, you can click on the link she provides for the NYC Bar letter.

Here's the link I got: http://bit.ly/2QAjsoF

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:08 PM

22. T'anks!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:55 PM

16. The New York Bar doesn't disbar people

 

The New York Judiciary does, and this is just asking for Congress to investigate. I wouldn't count on there being any consequences for Barr.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:56 PM

18. EVERY BIT OF PRESSURE HELPS. STACK UP THOSE STRAWS UNTIL THEY BREAK

 

THE CAMEL'S BACK.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:15 PM

32. Even they can't disbar Barrr -

since his licenses are from Virginia and DC.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:42 PM

47. Ted Lieu had done this last Spring

with Barr - asked DC and VA to investigate Barr. Not sure how long these things take, but I'm guessing nothing happened.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:56 PM

17. GET HIM

 

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:23 PM

24. YES!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:46 PM

25. It's about fucking time!

What taeks them so long to do something so obvious?

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:47 PM

50. I don't know what time zone you are in

 

But it's a little early in the day for that, IMHO.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:50 PM

26. Kick this one.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:04 PM

28. Two things you might consider before publishing misrepresentations

 


1. The NYC Bar Association is just the name of a group of people who call themselves that. They have no authority over anyone's license to practice law. The lawyers on DU could band together and call themselves the Pan Galactic Bar Association, and have the same authority.

2. Barr isn't licensed in the State of New York.

No one is going after Barr's license. That is a false statement.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:12 PM

29. Ummm . . no.

The NYC Bar Association is a voluntary professional organization. (1) it can't disbar people and (2) if a state bar entity did have that authority (i.e. the tweet was from the the Virginia State Bar, or the Office of Disciplinary Counsel of the Board of Professional Responsibility in DC - the two jurisdictions in which he is licensed to practice law) those entities would not send a letter to Congress to accomplish that goal - which has absolutely nothing to do with Barr's license to practice law.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:19 PM

36. The OP did not say they could disbar Mr. Barr.

Don't understand the reaction.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:35 PM

43. What do you think this means: Hot damn!!!! New York Bar is after Fu-Barr's license?

Any reference to being after Barr's license is a reference to disbarring him. (That's what it is called when you go after an attorney's license.)

Congressional leaders (the people to whom the letter was sent) have no authority over Barr's license. The NYC Bar Association has no authority over Barr's license. The only entities which have authority over Barr's license are the Virginia and DC bar (the two jurisdicitons in which he is licensed). The letter is neither to, nor from, any entity that has authority over his license. Nor does the letter reference his law license (or disbarment, or ethics - in a way that might implicate his license)

Asserting that a letter from a professional association (with no authority over his license) to Congress (with no authority over his license) that does not even mention a license, is not - by definition - going "after Fu-Barr's license." That makes the caption fake news, and I'm tired of DU imitating others of other political persuasions who apparently believe that if the facts aren't on our side we should make them up.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:46 PM

49. Some people like misleading headlines

 


I don't know why that is.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:16 PM

34. Gatekeepers not liking this news--so kick.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:19 PM

35. The post is factually false

 


The NYC Bar Association does not license lawyers in New York or anywhere else.

But, good to know there is an insulting name for people who give a damn whether a post on the front page on DU is true or untrue.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:22 PM

37. Your post is incorrect.

OP says nothing of the sort.

Here it is again:


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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:27 PM

38. Did you read the subject line of the OP?

 

The person who posted that correct tweet is obviously under the misimpression that the NYC Bar Association is "going after" Barr's license. It is a certainty that others who read the OP - including the subject line and not just the tweet in it - are highly likely to believe that the erroneous and ambiguous reference to the "New York Bar" is a reference to the body which licenses lawyers in the state of New York.

You have an issue with pointing out that the subject line is misleadingly false, as there is no one going after his license.

The subject line is factually false, and constitutes the part of the OP you chose not to mention.

You are perfectly aware of that.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:30 PM

39. Ahhh--'going after' is does not conflict at all with the tweet.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:32 PM

41. The statement "New York Bar is after Fu-Barr's license" is factually false

 

And the OP expresses glee in the obvious misimpression that a letter to Congress by a private organization has something to do with his license.

Neither the tweet, nor in fact the underlying letter, make any reference whatsoever to Barr's license.

Enjoy your game.

There are places on the internet which delight in pointing out things like this posted to the front page of DU. In fact, there are persons who delight in promoting false information for that very purpose.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:37 PM

44. They are after his license by referring to Congress.

Zero conflict.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:38 PM

45. Congress has nothing to do with licensing lawyers.

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:41 PM

46. They have something to do with impeaching AGs.

And impeachment would hasten his disbarment. Do you believe he should be impeached? I do.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:45 PM

48. Why do you suppose the letter does not call for his impeachment, then?

 


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Response to jberryhill (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:49 PM

51. Again:

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 05:02 PM

52. The request has NOTHING to do with his license.

They can investigate until the cows come home - but they still can't yank his license. Only the DC and Virginia licensing authorities can touch his license. (And - if you read the letter they wrote, they aren't asking Congressional leaders to do anything in connection with his license.)

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:01 PM

58. They can impeach.

Don't you want him impeached?

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:02 PM

59. Not the issue.

The title says they are going after his license. They are not. I don't like fake news (regardless of which side is promoting it)

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:06 PM

60. Sure they are.

The intent is to get him impeached and then disbarred.

Great idea actually. Sorry to see some are offended by the fine job being done fighting back against Trump and his cronies.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:23 PM

61. Please quote - from their letter - support for the following two propositions you have made:

(1) their intent is to get him impeached
(2) they are seeking to disbar him

No one is offended by the NYC Bar Association's letter, no matter how much you gish-gallop to try to make it so. The criticism is directed at the DU caption because it is made up nonsense, and has nothing to do with the action taken by the NYC Bar Association.

As a professional association of lawyers, the NYC Bar Association knows how to go about getting someone disbarred. The process of disbarrment, and the code of professional responsibiltiy are taught and/or tested at least twice - sometimes 3 times - to all individuals before they receive their license to practice law. No attorney, or group of attorneys, going after someone's license would do so by firing off a letter to Congress. They would file an ethics complaint with the state licensing authority.

That doesn't mean the letter is pointless - it just means that it has nothing to do with Barr's license (the claim made in the post title).

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 04:01 AM

66. What's with the halo around Barr's head? n/t

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 05:06 PM

53. As an association of lawyers,

the NYC Bar association knows very well which entities to file a complaint with if they are going after his license. Sending a letter to Congress isn't they way to go after his license. To do that, you file an ethics/professional conduct complaint with the appropriate professional Conduct board - in DC or Virginia where he is licensed.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 05:21 PM

56. You're correct

But many who responded are confused

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 05:19 PM

54. Bar association?

Isnít that a professional organization of lawyers? I think thatís different from the state agency that licenses lawyers, no?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 05:20 PM

55. NYC Bar Assn is only a professional organization...my wife was never a member.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 05:30 PM

57. Just wondering about something. Besides

the president, the House can impeach and the Senate can convict and remove federal employees, e.g. federal judges. Can they do that with cabinet members? If not, why ask Congress to investigate Barr? To what end?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:37 PM

62. Test links after posting! Fix your link. Even glancing at post should be clear there is a problem.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 07:44 PM

63. The progression in Trump Admin lawyering

Trump started his administration with lawyers.

Then those guys needed "lawyers' lawyers".

Now they're in need of "lawyers' lawyer's lawyers".

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 08:14 PM

64. Long time over due.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 12:35 PM

68. If I remember right the NYC bar is a voluntary association

 

As such they donít have any power to sanction the orange butt plugís fixer. That would be up to the New York courts if heís licensed in NY.

Itís all state specific. In some states the bar association is a voluntary association that has no actual power over lawyers. In other states itís a mandatory association that regulates the profession and can yank licenses of misbehaving lawyers.

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