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Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:10 PM

Congressman Ted Lieu Accuses Trump Of Stock Market Fraud And Opens Investigation

The House of Representatives may soon be able to add a new high crime and misdemeanor to the growing list of articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump.

Specifically, Trump is suspected of manipulating futures on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange by making statements that allowed investors to turn billions of dollars in profits, some of which may have directly benefited Trump and members of his family, according to a blockbuster report from Vanity Fair:

In the last 10 minutes of trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange on Friday, September 13, someone got very lucky. That’s when he or she, or a group of people, sold short 120,000 “S&P e-minis”—electronically traded futures contracts linked to the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index—when the index was trading around 3010. The time was 3:50 p.m. in New York; it was nearing midnight in Tehran. A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure, choking off production in the country and sending oil prices soaring. By the time the CME next opened, for pretrading on Sunday night, the S&P index had fallen 30 points, giving that very fortunate trader, or traders, a quick $180 million profit.”


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These and other suspicious market moves tied to statements from Trump are now under the microscope thanks to two Democrats in the House, Reps. Ted Lieu (CA) and Kathleen Rice (NY), who have written letters to multiple federal agencies, Common Dreams reports:

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Reply Congressman Ted Lieu Accuses Trump Of Stock Market Fraud And Opens Investigation (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2 OP
Kingofalldems Jan 2 #1
rurallib Jan 2 #26
dalton99a Jan 2 #2
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ck4829 Jan 2 #25
11 Bravo Jan 2 #34
calimary Jan 2 #38
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triron Jan 2 #20
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BlueIdaho Jan 2 #9
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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:56 PM

26. lord I hope BOOM!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:11 PM

2. Kick

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:12 PM

3. Get thee to the greatest page

RFN!

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:53 PM

25. Let me help you out there

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:23 PM

34. I'm in, as well.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:45 PM

38. So am I. And joyfully so!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:13 PM

4. Yep. The public already figured this out.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:46 PM

60. Maybe a few of the public...

but the vast majority of people know nothing about this. Hopefully many more know now. Of course none of Trump's cult will ever know, because FOX hasn't told them what to think about it, and never will.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:13 PM

5. and muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch more to come

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:15 PM

6. Oh wow. Here we go. This is a good one.

 

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:18 PM

7. I already know the media's response

"It's just too complicated! Nobody understands selling short! Witch hunt, because Trump said so." If that first wave of hand-waving doesn't take care of it, we'll be treated to the startling news that $180 million just isn't all that much money. Followed by a story about how raising the minimum wage by a buck an hour is so expensive.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:45 PM

20. Or democrats need to focus on getting legislation (bipartisan) passed.

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Response to triron (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:56 PM

27. McTurtle wont allow that.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:10 PM

32. Mitch Will Stop All Legislation Don't Show Up For Confirmations Without Moving Forward On Bills

The Senate is only open to put right wing nutjobs in the courts. Stay home Chuck. No bills no quarum no judges.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:47 AM

73. That was exactly my gut reaction.

No traction because the electorate will be deemed too dim-witted to comprehend.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:18 PM

8. Drip, Drip, Drip.

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Response to 42bambi (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:26 PM

11. More like plop, plop, plop. If this is true (and I think it is), this is much pigger.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:24 PM

9. What took them so long?

Trump’s words yo-yo the markets with predictable regularity.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:55 PM

57. Yes, but how to prove he's doing it to benefit certain people

And leaking his intended statements to these people specifically so they can benefit? Insider trading, in other words. I mean, anyone could listen to the madman rant and then say “this probably means soybeans are going to drop in price...”, but that’s not a crime. Now, if he picks up the phone and tells investors that he’s announcing new China tariffs in the morning, so short soybean futures, that’s a whole other story.

How to prove it?

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Response to robbob (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:40 PM

59. Difficult to prove for sure...

But even if he picks up the phone to his own broker the night before - that’s still a crime. All I know is if we don’t start trying - that SOB is going to make a fortune off of his White House crimes.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:24 PM

10. Yes, he is. I wonder how many of his buddies sneak off to buy/sell in advance of his so...

called announcements? Another profound reason NOT to invest in the markets when they are being so blatantly manipulated. This is fraud, through and through.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:29 PM

12. Some people need to start singing soon.

Jail awaits them.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:29 PM

13. October

The letter was sent months ago. I was wondering why the story fell off the radar and stocks have climbed steadily since then.

Even the timing of news stories regarding such events can be nefarious.

Any updates anyone? If true, Trump will no longer be able to say “new all-time highs in stocks” anymore.

It’s accepted that in the long-term, stock prices reflect earnings and assets. In the short-term, news events rule trading. So either it’s a story to crush traders who are short stocks, or long-term investors were just waiting for 2020 to sell and deal with the capital gains in 2020 instead of 2019 and ignored the story until now.

Like stock prices, who the fu*k knows?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:31 PM

14. This makes me smile

and it also makes me confused.

How can anyone vote for a guy who is openly, blatantly corrupt in everything he does?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:36 PM

15. Trumps goose is cooked this time!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:37 PM

16. Holy SMOKEs

That is fire!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:40 PM

17. K&R

Another article of impeachment?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:40 PM

18. I hope they find enough evidence of this

somebody involved must have slipped up somewhere and left a record. A little string. And we can pull on it until it unravels the whole thing.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:44 PM

19. The whole China Tariffs ON/OFF switch seems ripe for investigation too

Tariffs. Market plunges 1700 points. No Tariffs! Up 2200. Partial tariffs on $100B merchandise. Market plunge. China retaliates. More plunge. Oops, Trump & Xi to work together. market takes off. Whoops! Impasse, $300B more tariffs. Plunge. China retaliates again. Down we go. China devalues. Stock rocket. Delay in tariffs. Partial agreement until spring. Up some more.

Somebody's playing those swings. Wilbur Ross? Mnuchin? Kudlow? Would you trust them with your money? How about your government?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 05:50 AM

69. +1

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:50 PM

21. Impeachable offense.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:50 PM

22. THANK YOU, reps Lieu and Rice

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:51 PM

23. I've been watching 3 years of this manipulation bullshit.

Nail his ass on this.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:52 PM

24. K&R

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:56 PM

28. Nail him to the wall!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:59 PM

29. Good! Get 'em!

tRump’s been up to no good with his power to effect the markets.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:05 PM

30. Thank you, Lieu and Rice

Good work!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:09 PM

31. He has been doing this since day one

Everything revolves around leveraging tge office to turn a buck.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:23 PM

35. &Trump used to do it in NYC: buying up a stock, then indicating he was buying that company.

Once its stock shot up, he'd dump the stock and only after let it be known he'd changed his mind.(and the stock would fall)

He's just pulling off the same con on a global scale using international agreements,treaties, alliances. No wonder he was determined to tear everything up from the get go...so he could get this massive grift going.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:12 PM

33. When I get my retirement

I will NOT be investing in this corrupt country

I no longer trust America!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:53 PM

41. i got a fat 401k in my divorce. i bit the bullet and paid the taxes so i could get the money

and invested in something i trusted.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:10 PM

46. And that is how he hopes to destroy America.

Russia’s biggest adversary. I can imagine him dreaming about this from the time he was operating at the lower levels of the KGB. “What if I could build my country back up? Get those satellite countries back under OUR control again. Knock America down, and OUT, so they’re not a problem for us anymore. Maybe help shape a worldview that they aren’t the good guys anymore and they can no longer be trusted.

I can just see the daydreaming.

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Response to calimary (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:18 PM

48. I choose to avoid Republican

Controlled banking.
If I get wiped out I'm dead!

Get their plan?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:32 PM

36. Are they saying Trump knew Iran would attack hours before?

A "group of people, sold short 120,000 “S&P e-minis” [at] 3:50 p.m. . . . . A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure . . . ."

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:37 PM

37. But if proven wouldn't the traders be the ones who committed the crime?

If Trump told some people details of what was about to happen it would be the investor's reaction to his statement that was illegal, not him stating it.

That is, of course, if he didn't advise them to sell. Knowing how Trump works it's unlikely he would have said something that leave him vulnerable. He always dances around topics and hints instead of stating things openly so he can deny responsibility later.
I suppose that's what this investigation is intended to reveal.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:48 PM

39. Thank you Reps. Lieu and Rice!

It's about time!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:53 PM

40. Would Trump do something like this? Yes.

Would he do it without somehow getting a cut of the windfall for himself? No.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:54 PM

42. This crapola has probably been going on since the traitor got into office................

Boom......................

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:58 PM

43. K&R...⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

He pulls this shit a couple of times a week. Part of todays bump is him telling the media 2 days ago he'll be signing deal with China.

Trump says he will sign ‘phase one’ China trade deal on Jan. 15 at the White House

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/31/trump-says-he-will-sign-phase-one-china-trade-deal-jan-15-at-the-white-house.html

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:58 PM

44. I've suspected this since day one.

It really explains how "loyal" some of his rich supporters are. A little beforehand knowledge about trade and world events goes a long ways in the futures business. Futures are designed and used mainly as a hedge, not a profit making scheme. After all it's a zero sum ;game with a commission both ways. When someone makes a huge amount of profit almost immediately it raises many red flags.I think it would be easy to spot the corruption. Compare the list of big money Trump donors and big money winners. Bingo.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:07 PM

45. Pre knowledge of market disruption is not necessary for a high speed trader to make money.

When you have machines running trading programs that can make thousands of trades a minute, any volatility is profitable.

To keep the richest investors happy, all Trump has to do is move the market one way or another.

For example, one day he can say he has reached a trade deal with China. Market jumps up. One week later, he announces another round of tariffs on Chinese goods. Market drops. Either way, the computers take advantage of the movement.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:12 PM

47. His manipulation has been so obvious it can't be missed.

He says he's got a trade deal with China - when he doesn't - and stocks go up. A couple of days later he pretty much says "oh, never mind" and stocks go down. He's done this over and over and over.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:32 PM

49. Bringin' it! YEAH! eom

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:37 PM

50. Damn, I hope this can be proven

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:40 PM

51. KICK...



His orange ass right out!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:41 PM

52. Good. The SEC can trace who was behind the trades and connections can be investigated.

Only a guess but I think they'll end up looking at Jared Kushner.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:57 PM

53. Remember the Aluminum Tariffs?

tRUMP on his private cell phone "asked an expert what he thought about putting tariffs on Aluminum" The experts name? Carl Icahn.

Don't know what the back and forth was but several days later Icahn sold all his shares in an aluminum company. Within days tRUMP announced Aluminum tariffs.

Before Trump Announced Tariffs, Icahn Sold Off Millions In ...
https://www.npr.org › 2018/03/03

This times 10 with tRUMPs tips to Russians, friends, and family. What's the old sayin? Follow the money. tRUMP and the tRUMP crime family (Kushners) are dirty.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:07 PM

54. Disgusting corruption

Third World level criminal.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:27 PM

56. He got caught......again.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:11 PM

58. I've long suspected this

If you follow the stock market, you probably suspected this. Years ago, there was a book about a writer of "heard on the street" - a partner would buy or sell stock right before publication. The column would move the market a bit with good or bad news, and the heads up before it went to press provided profits. Now Trump is doing the same thing. He tips off some partner about an upcoming tweet, and they trade off it. Trump gets his taste, of course. Who knows how many ways he gets "tribute" - foreign governments staying in his hotels, him charging the US taxpayer for golf, you name it. What an out and out criminal.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:58 PM

61. I have said repeatedly that the Trump presidency, and BREXIT

were stock frauds.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:34 PM

62. "Which may have directly benefitted Trump..."...they have proof

And they know who made the trades, otherwise they wouldn't make a statement like this.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:35 PM

63. K & R for exposure.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:59 PM

64. good

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:43 PM

65. About frigging time! This has been obvious since the very 1st tweet

Last edited Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:06 AM - Edit history (1)

about trade wars and/or the Fed! Geezuz!

It’s been like Alfred E. Neuman’s: “Don’t just do something, stand there!”

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Response to KPN (Reply #65)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 05:49 AM

68. 👍🏼

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:47 AM

66. No day more than today.

Better believe he made money from this assassination.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 05:48 AM

67. ***TRUMP DID PUMP AND DUMPS IN THE LATE 80s !!! *** Ended with a p&d of American airlines.

Trump is a greasy bastard

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:38 AM

70. One moron's trash talk...

...is another moron’s treasure.

Trump is going to jail.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 07:44 AM

71. k&r thanks n/t

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:08 AM

72. About time!

These "coincidences" are getting out-of-hand....

If trump has any competent financial advisors at all, he would have known about his ability to manipulate the markets.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:35 AM

74. K&R !!!!!!



What took them so long?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:58 PM

75. With the market at all time highs, somebody got a good short yesterday

before the strike against Iran's military leader.

Timing is everything. With Trump in office, just find an extreme and go the other direction. He'll assist.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 08:26 PM

76. Trump told Mar-a-Lago patrons to expect 'Big' Iran action ..

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Response to LessAspin (Reply #76)

Sat Jan 4, 2020, 05:17 PM

77. Interesting

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 4, 2020, 06:10 PM

78. Good. Add this and the emoluments violations to the articles

All of this s*** needs to be documented for the history books.

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