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Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:47 PM

50% Australian Bush Fires Arson/Suspicious Origin

While watching one of my fav Australian art teacher on YouTube, she casually mentioned yesterday that many of the bushfires were being reported as arson.

Immediately looked for “reliable source” to verify and found this BBC report.

Of course, the prospect of “reliable reporting” remains skeptical 🤨

The reports this November are mostly blaming young men on the fringes of society or unstable 🧐

🤷🏻‍♀️ However, the 3 digit heat waves can’t be blamed on a societal segment.

Is it possible the nutcases in places of power are using smoke to dim the sun in a “end justifies the means” attempt to cool the planet?

How many fires are started deliberately?

Dr Paul Read, puts the figure of annual bush fires.. at "62,000 and increasing"

Of those, 13% are started deliberately, and 37% are suspicious.

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In short, up to 85 bushfires begin every day because someone leaves their house and decides to start one.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50400851

Is this true? Or fossil fuel funded BS?

Reading the entire BBC article is helpful.

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Reply 50% Australian Bush Fires Arson/Suspicious Origin (Original post)
OhNo-Really Jan 2020 OP
Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #1
OhNo-Really Jan 2020 #2
bullwinkle428 Jan 2020 #3
Hekate Jan 2020 #4
ansible Jan 2020 #5
Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #6

Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:13 PM

1. Yeah, they tried the same excuse when east TN caught fire

It almost wiped out Dolly Wood. It did a huge amount of damage to the Smokey Mountains.

They even tried to blame it on a couple of teenagers but had to drop the charges. So far no one has been found guilty of setting those wild fires.

There was also a kid who was fined for setting fires. But there are crazy kids everywhere and those wildfires would not get so out of control if not for global warming. Supposedly he threw a cigarette into a bunch of leaves. That supposedly caused a 300 acre fire.

I believe it is the climate deniers way of claiming it's Not global warming. Better to blame 1 bad actor instead of the filthy rich getting richer by destroying the planet.

I don't buy it.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:06 PM

2. A sad time when we have to suspect the news

This was also an explanation in 2015 & 2017.

Oil, the dinosaurs’ revenge

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:22 PM

3. Someone at DU linked to a map showing the location of all the fires

across Australia. It was utterly shocking how widespread the devastation was across nearly the entire country. That had to be one hell of an efficient arsonist, or incredible conspiracy, to have caused any significant percentage of these fires.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:11 PM

4. Speaking as a Californian: arsonists really exist, and they love watching their work

Fire investigators want to know the actual causes of fires, as it is a serious matter with lives at stake. They can pinpoint causes, and they can track the work of an arsonist across a region even if they can't always catch them. Fires that spot all along a highway route are a major clue of an arsonist's work and they all have their "signatures."

California and Australia both have large swathes of area known for their drought ecology. They call theirs the bush and the outback, and we call ours chaparral. Eucalyptus trees, which were transplanted to California from Australia, are born to burn, but so are many other native plants there and here.

During a prolonged drought, it all becomes a tinderbox. There are some cases of spontaneous combustion, dry branches rubbing together in dry heat. Hot dry winds accelerating downhill, gathering ever more heat -- in California we call them Santa Ana winds, and they magnify the danger a fire will start, then magnify its spread. Lightning strikes are a real danger.

The human/environment interface is very important. Our electrical grid gets blown by high wind, power lines rubbing and sparking. Gas and electric appliances can malfunction. Trucks dragging chains that spark along the road. Equipment, whether power tools that generate their own heat and sparks, or even hand-held shovels that can spark when they strike rocks -- all have been known to cause wildfires.

Nearly everyone in California knows better than to start a campfire or bonfire in a restricted area, or in the wind. Yet some college students did just that on their private college campus a number of years ago, setting off a major regional fire that killed a couple of people. They were either idiots or non-Californians, probably the latter. I'm sure they were very sorry.

Anyway, arsonists do it on purpose. Perhaps some arson inside cities is targeted, for murder or revenge or insurance, but otherwise what you have is sick minds who love the sheer power and destruction. They must feel like gods. Like the very gods themselves.

What you have presented is, I am sorry to say, a combination of nutball conspiracy theory and disinformation. It serves no one to propagate it.





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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:56 PM

5. Friend of mine in Australia told me there's lots of whackos in the outback

Australia's mental health system isn't that great and there's a lot of nutters out there who are deliberately setting fires on purpose.

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Response to ansible (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 3, 2020, 10:18 AM

6. Huge record setting wild fires are a result of Global Warming

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-how-global-warming-has-increased-us-wildfires/amp

"As one scientist tells Carbon Brief: “There is no question whatsoever that climate plays a role in the increase in fires.”

Yeah there have always been wackos but there have not been record setting burns year after year after year.

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