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Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:32 PM

Yale psychiatrist reveals how to tell which side is telling the truth on impeachment

Published 1 min ago on December 30, 2019

By Bob Brigham


The new year is expected to feature a Senate impeachment trial and the 2020 presidential election with both sides aggressively pushing their messages to voters.

But what are voters to do if one side simply lies?

That question was addressed on Monday by Dr. Bandy Lee, a forensic psychiatrist at Yale.

“It does not take a professional to notice anymore that almost everything Donald Trump or his supporters say are projections (displacing unbearable thoughts and characteristics of their own onto others in order to disown them),” Lee wrote on Twitter. “They even project projection.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/yale-psychiatrist-reveals-how-to-tell-which-side-is-telling-the-truth-on-impeachment/

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Reply Yale psychiatrist reveals how to tell which side is telling the truth on impeachment (Original post)
turbinetree Dec 2019 OP
Girard442 Dec 2019 #1
11 Bravo Dec 2019 #34
Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #2
Grammy23 Dec 2019 #3
empedocles Dec 2019 #4
progressoid Dec 2019 #5
Grokenstein Dec 2019 #11
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #17
dpibel Dec 2019 #19
smirkymonkey Dec 2019 #20
Grokenstein Dec 2019 #21
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #22
Grokenstein Dec 2019 #24
soldierant Dec 2019 #29
Poiuyt Jan 2020 #43
Grokenstein Jan 2020 #44
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #27
Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #28
azureblue Dec 2019 #33
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #31
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #35
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2019 #40
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #41
FailureToCommunicate Dec 2019 #14
defacto7 Dec 2019 #6
Marcuse Dec 2019 #7
mwooldri Dec 2019 #8
live love laugh Dec 2019 #23
teach1st Dec 2019 #9
snort Dec 2019 #10
panfluteman Dec 2019 #12
Grokenstein Dec 2019 #13
PatSeg Dec 2019 #15
soldierant Dec 2019 #30
PatSeg Dec 2019 #32
PatSeg Dec 2019 #16
Takket Dec 2019 #36
Sloumeau Dec 2019 #18
Mc Mike Dec 2019 #25
Hortensis Dec 2019 #39
Mc Mike Jan 2020 #42
mopinko Dec 2019 #26
Hortensis Dec 2019 #37
mopinko Dec 2019 #38

Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:37 PM

1. Simpler than that: people whom you frequently catch lying are liars.

Trump lies about stuff he said a couple of minutes ago. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:00 PM

34. In Trump's case, moving lips are a dead giveaway.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:41 PM

2. K&R

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:44 PM

3. Maya Angelou said it best:


“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”

Not hard to remember and it cuts out all the gobbledygook and jargon.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:55 PM

4. Nice

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:57 PM

5. Here are her tweets if you hate Rawstory's website.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:07 PM

11. Thank you!

...for sparing me and others RS's garbage.
Unless something has changed dramatically since I left, I don't see how people put up with it.

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 08:05 PM

17. Please stop spewing anti RS BS

Raw Story is no different than many other sites. They redistribute news stories and link to the source. And even write their own. And I'm sure they don't make a fortune doing that.

One of the earlier news sites for liberals. They were a lifeline along with Bartcop before DU. And with the right monopolizing so much of media outlets, it's hardly the time to be crapping on a more left centered outlet.

I don't know how these smears started. Probably a right wing campaign to shut it up, but please stop.

Seriously, it's appalling how some on our side cut our own noses off to spite our face, because of mostly exaggerated BS

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 08:41 PM

19. Second that

I am undendingly amazed at the anti-Raw Story brigade on this site.

Raw Story does what many, many other sites do: aggregates some, summarizes some, reports some. If you hate Raw Story you have to hate Alternet, Talking Points Memo, and, well Democratic Underground. Because they all do the same thing.

I entirely agree with you that this seems to have started as some sort of right wing campaign to minimize information from RS, maybe started here as a troll project. But it is now some sort of sad knee-jerk thing that is just a little annoying.

You will never find right-wing disinfo on Raw Story. You will find the contrary.

So why the dedication to slagging Raw Story.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 08:45 PM

20. Thank YOU!

I have been noticing this a lot more lately and it's really getting annoying.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:49 PM

21. It's a LITTLE different.

I don't mind that they redistribute news stories.
I quit going there because the site became impossible to navigate. Buggy software kept locking up my browser and the browsers of other regulars.
If they've fixed that, I'd gladly go back.
If they haven't, they can go to hell and send me a selfie.

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:27 AM

22. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

But it's hard not to assume you were talking about other phony BS spewed about RS by others rather than a technical issue. Of which I have never had with them. Maybe it's your computer?

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:40 AM

24. There's a group.

https://intherawstory.tumblr.com/

(emphasis my own)

So a lot of folks at RS have been complaining about the new format and its problems and said they have had enough, so I threw this place together as a sort of respite from those problems for the time being.

A place with disqus for our RS family to post and share and relax without having to deal with all the issues at RS.

We just wanted to make sure we had a place where all our RS friends could always drop by and say hello. Enjoy!

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:49 PM

29. Different browsers handle Raw Story differently.

My favorite browser handles it very badly, so I tend to close it, open a dofferent one, and do all my RS browing just once a day.

Of course, even before Raw Story bought AlterNet, they shared may articles, and nowadays, anything RS has is for 99% sure going to be on AlterNet too, where iit's (for now) easier to read. But I do prefer the comments section at Raw Story.

I can't afford to go ad-free so for me, workarounds are the thing.

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 1, 2020, 05:33 PM

43. Here's a site with the Rawstory headlines

https://disqus.com/home/forum/rawstory/

You can browse pain free and then click on a link if you see something you like. It's not a perfect solution, but you can avoid a lot of the hassles of viewing the rawstory home page.

BTW, Rawstory is one of my favorite sites.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 1, 2020, 10:23 PM

44. I'll give that a shot. Thanks!

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:38 AM

27. Raw Story is a digester. Real news enthusiasts post the links to the real story.


To its credit Raw Story posts links to the articles they cannibalize (otherwise they'd be sued).

Simply follow the links and post the REAL news article, not the digested one.

Or both, if you must.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 11:51 AM

28. RS is a clickbait generator clogged with interminable ads...nt

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:51 PM

33. nope

I have adblock. RS tends to get stories first. So why do you distract from that fact and try the equivalent of name calling?

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:45 PM

31. DU posters "cannibalize" stories every day

As long as they post a link. Seems like DU also "digests" news for us.
Are you recommending folks here to only make their comments to the original source as well? We wouldn't have much of a site here in that case.

Also, if one isn't a star member here, don't you also get ads?

On top of that RS DOES employ some writers.

I had no idea there was this kind of problem.
All I know is their pioneering role, much like Air America did on radio, in diseminating important stories for a liberal audience back when hardly anyone was.

I think even if one doesn't use the site much they should be applauded and given a lot of respect for their role in that. Paving the way for other sites like DU

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:26 PM

35. IF we accept your premise than a DU post of an RS post of a news article is a digest of a digest.


Not so good.

But DU isn't a digester. It's a forum with some aggregation function run by the members directly.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 05:45 PM

40. There are similarities and obvious differences

My main point is that liberals should be the very LAST folks to be whining about one of the original stalwarts of liberal interest news stories. And still does that today.
Liberal sites are tough to keep running. Look at ThinkProgress. I give them some slack on some things that they may feel they need to do to stay afloat.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 05:54 PM

41. Your post 40 makes some good points. . . . nt

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Response to progressoid (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:20 PM

14. Very helpful. Thanks!

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:59 PM

6. We know that, they know that,

but the people who don't want to know that will project it.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 06:13 PM

7. Like when Nunes channeled Bolton re Rudy's drug deal.

[link:http://|

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 06:29 PM

8. I'm no professor and I have an easy way.

Are they a Republican? If they are, likely they are not telling the truth.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:47 AM

23. 💯

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 06:34 PM

9. Here's the full thread (@ThreadReader)

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 06:52 PM

10. Pffft.

Bet you're a forensic psychiatrist or something.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:07 PM

12. Their Powers of Projection Are Absolutely Astounding!

I've always said that any time you hear Donald Trump accuse anyone of anything - and I mean absolutely anything - you know that he is at least ten times more guilty of that very thing himself. Perhaps the greatest case of projection was when Trump called his political rival "Crooked Hillary".

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:14 PM

13. I see the trumpanzees are already going berserk in response






Remember, WE're the ones who are easily triggered.

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:22 PM

15. Or Russian trolls

Especially the 2nd one - doesn't sound legit.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:52 PM

30. Yes, Trump supporters

tend to be illiterate, but not quite in that way. I think you've nailed it.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:56 PM

32. Yeah

He/she was trying too hard to sound American. "i laugh and openly mock you and your ilk" does not sound like something a Trump supporter would say.

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 07:22 PM

16. Or Russian trolls

Especially the 2nd one - doesn't sound legit.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 08:27 PM

18. Those guys project so much...

...that they should join the projectionist union.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:48 AM

25. "They even project projection." rec, nt.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:44 PM

39. I loved that because it's so remarkably true.

My husband and I don't even need to look new RW accusations up to know they must be trying to offload some just-revealed scandal onto us.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 1, 2020, 05:25 PM

42. It took them a few years to hurl projective charges of 'projection' against their Dem 'enemies'.

After a few years, they figured out what Dems were saying about them, and what it meant, then they started ape-ing the accusation. It impressed them, on a subconscious level, I guess.

Agree 100% with you, don't even need to look up anything they're accusing us of, as soon as we hear them screaming and crying a charge, it's because they're planning it, just got caught doing it, or about to get exposed for doing it.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 10:08 AM

26. i came up w this the other day, dealing w someone irl but it fits here-

occum's razor for liars-
the truth is complicated.
lies are simple.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:40 PM

37. Simply excellent.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:42 PM

38. thank you.

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