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Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:00 PM

Is everyone prepared for an election day where power grids go down...?

Let me do it this way:

Does anyone here believe putin and the GOP are NOT working together to see to it the GOP stays in power?

Does anyone here think our government is NOT being forced to "look the other way" while the KGB, called something else now, works day and night to infiltrate our system?

Does anyone here think putin would NOT do ANYTHING to keep his puppet in power?

Does anyone here think rump would NOT do ANYTHING including murder to stay in power?


I have not been wrong yet overestimating the lack of patriotism from righty, are we ready? If it is not power grids, it will be something else, any ideas what else?

Hopefully we are past the "chicken little" comment days...Hopefully NOW people realize these kind of warnings from myself and others have been RIGHT ON all along!

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I am glad to see most people here realize my CONCERN about what MIGHT happen given what we have seen so far was ridiculed by only a few, most of them I am not surprised by. Good to know the VAST majority of people are now aware of just how bad shit can get.

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Reply Is everyone prepared for an election day where power grids go down...? (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 OP
applegrove Dec 2019 #1
Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #2
AllaN01Bear Dec 2019 #33
applegrove Dec 2019 #45
tinrobot Dec 2019 #3
BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #5
samnsara Dec 2019 #4
marlakay Dec 2019 #18
summer_in_TX Dec 2019 #39
marlakay Dec 2019 #43
AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #78
pangaia Dec 2019 #6
George II Dec 2019 #12
pangaia Dec 2019 #13
JDC Dec 2019 #20
pangaia Dec 2019 #36
Hestia Dec 2019 #26
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #51
luvtheGWN Dec 2019 #35
JustAnotherGen Dec 2019 #40
csziggy Dec 2019 #69
rzemanfl Dec 2019 #7
Buckeyeblue Dec 2019 #11
Maru Kitteh Dec 2019 #30
Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2019 #24
rzemanfl Dec 2019 #28
Golden Raisin Dec 2019 #8
erronis Dec 2019 #22
Lock him up. Dec 2019 #79
Tipperary Dec 2019 #9
dchill Dec 2019 #31
Maru Kitteh Dec 2019 #38
USALiberal Dec 2019 #47
Maru Kitteh Dec 2019 #48
mahina Dec 2019 #10
pangaia Dec 2019 #14
mahina Dec 2019 #16
klook Dec 2019 #58
mahina Dec 2019 #75
I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2019 #63
mahina Dec 2019 #76
triron Dec 2019 #17
mahina Dec 2019 #29
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #55
Kurt V. Dec 2019 #15
mcar Dec 2019 #19
certainot Dec 2019 #21
erronis Dec 2019 #23
Peacetrain Dec 2019 #25
roamer65 Dec 2019 #27
sarisataka Dec 2019 #42
Jedi Guy Dec 2019 #32
AllaN01Bear Dec 2019 #34
brooklynite Dec 2019 #37
Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #41
brooklynite Dec 2019 #44
not_the_one Dec 2019 #46
greytdemocrat Dec 2019 #50
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #57
Tipperary Dec 2019 #61
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #56
brooklynite Dec 2019 #64
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #68
brooklynite Dec 2019 #70
Retrograde Dec 2019 #49
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #52
Tipperary Dec 2019 #54
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #59
ecstatic Dec 2019 #53
nitpicker Dec 2019 #60
ms liberty Dec 2019 #62
cwydro Dec 2019 #65
Kaleva Dec 2019 #66
lark Dec 2019 #67
mopinko Dec 2019 #71
Gothmog Dec 2019 #72
Karma13612 Dec 2019 #73
Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2019 #74
Kablooie Dec 2019 #77
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:06 PM

1. DU went down in 2016. Did we ever find out who did it?

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Response to applegrove (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:08 PM

2. Good question.

In one way you wouldnt think the KGB/GOP machine would target relatively small boards like this but I see people on small youtube chats who are clearly KGB operatives, promoting their agenda.

Not bots either. Posters who speak the KGB line who clearly do it all day long.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:03 PM

33. was on du when it went down. i was like huh?

also from what i understand also the discussionist was taken out as well.

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:51 PM

45. I think the discussionist had to be taken down as they cleaned up the DU.

Russians were all over the Discussionist so i doubt they would attack it. They were thriving there.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:12 PM

3. One more reason we need to go back to paper ballots

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:16 PM

5. Hell yes!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:15 PM

4. wash state is all mail in so my paper pre stamped ballot will be mailed in early

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Response to samnsara (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:18 PM

18. Same in Oregon

But we really need the purple states to be all mail.

Its my 20th anniversary next October so I plan to turn in ballot early then we are going out of the country for a few weeks I have no wish to be near the mad house it will be, i wish i could stay till after the election.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:41 PM

39. Wait!

In purple states with voter ID restrictions, there are ways to disqualify mail-in ballots.

The biggest way is over the voter's signature on the ballot. Maybe in Oregon and some other blue states it's safe enough, especially in blue jurisdictions. I don't think it is all that safe in purple states myself.

Signatures change – I write my name two different ways, depending.

Plus, occasionally we hear stories of the mail getting lost. Heck, a Fed-Ex truck caught fire last week and packages were burned.

Young people have a lot of signature variation over time. A mail-in ballot might have a higher rate of rejection with that age group, I'd think.

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:17 PM

43. Ugh! If its not one fear its another

The machines will be hacked or changed, they will disqualify thousands more voters. Change voting places, not have your name on list even if you voted in last election making you get provisional ballot. My daughter had that happen to her last year luckily she lives in blue state.

Lies on FB and other media.

Feels overwhelming but we can’t give up!

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:32 AM

78. my ballot got rejected once in CA cause signature

did not match DL. And that’s in SF, doesn’t get bluer than that. For some reason I signed my full name on DL vs. the signature I use everywhere else. Besides we renew our DLs once every 10 years or so. I voted early by mail but the rejection letter was sent weeks after the election was over. Needless to say, I never made that mistake again. More public education is needed on this. I consider myself a very informed voter and yet this had happened to me.

I would also add that even blue states matter a lot cause of local elections, house of reps, state races, etc. No state is 100% blue. CA has almost 5M of registered repubs.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:17 PM

6. no doubt at all...

speaking of power grids..

living in western NY, how easy it would be to take down any of the power lines running from niagara falls eastward....

i suspect a child could do it....

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Response to pangaia (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:37 PM

12. Don't know if you remember it or was old enough, but that huge blackout of 1965.....

.....in the northeast, probably the most disruptive in history, was triggered by a single relay in Ontario near Niagara Falls, and began a chain reaction starting in Southern Ontario into Western New York and eventually east across most of New England.

It wound up affecting Ontario and seven states, NY, VT, NH, MA, CT, RI, and NJ.

It began at 5:27 PM and lasted into the next day. Tens of millions of people were affected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965

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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:40 PM

13. In 1965 I was 22 living in Ithaca NY

But I don;t remember it....

But then, there is a lot I don't remember... like where are t he damn xmas tree ornaments??



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Response to pangaia (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:28 PM

20. I've gotten high in Stewart Park a time or two.

I remember going to get ice cream afterwards. Does that count?

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Response to JDC (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:35 PM

36. Of course it does.... :)



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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:02 PM

26. Even a movie about it - Where Were You When the Lights Went Out? Population Boom too

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Response to Hestia (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:38 AM

51. Nope. The supposed birth boom nine months later is a myth.

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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:09 PM

35. I remember it. Scary times,

and I was reminded of it during the August 2003 blackout. Interestingly, Hubby and I were travelling from Toronto down to our weekend abode just north of N'Falls. Fortunately, a fellow in the N'Falls power station saw what was about to happen and flipped a switch which kept the power on in the Niagara Peninsula. Kind of ironic! Our trip from Toronto took more than twice as long as all the stoplights were out -- took forever to get out of the city.

Paper ballots would be "de rigueur" if only you folks had an effective, workable, totally non-partisan FEC.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:54 PM

40. I'm a graduate of NU

I used to jog around that you thing . . .

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Response to pangaia (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 03:36 PM

69. The actual lines don't have to be taken down

There have been reports of hacking the computers that control the power grid.


It’s not just elections: Russia hacked the US electric grid

And it may be just the first phase of a bigger attack.
By Kelsey Atherton Mar 28, 2018, 8:00am EDT

A huge story about Russian hacking got lost amid all the Trump administration staffing drama and Stormy Daniels news over the past week: On March 15, the US government released a report describing a massive Russian hacking campaign to infiltrate America’s “critical infrastructure” — things like power plants, nuclear generators, and water facilities.

The joint report from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security claims that Russian hackers gained access to computers across the targeted industries and collected sensitive data including passwords, logins, and information about energy generation. While the report doesn’t specify any identifiable sabotage, the intrusion could set up future attacks that do more than just record observations.

The day after the report was released, Energy Secretary Rick Perry told lawmakers at an appropriations hearing that cyberattacks are “literally happening hundreds of thousands of times a day,” and warned that the Department of Energy needs an “office of cybersecurity and emergency response” in order to be prepared for threats like this in the future.

This report is a big deal: It’s the first time the US government has publicly blamed Russia’s government for attacks on energy infrastructure. Explicitly pinning the attack on the Kremlin means that rather than targeting the hackers as individuals, the United States can now respond against Russia as a whole.

More: https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/28/17170612/russia-hacking-us-power-grid-nuclear-plants

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:28 PM

7. I think taking the power grid down would be too obvious for Putin

unless all else failed. People would die, not that he'd care, but it wouldn't suit his purpose.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:35 PM

11. Bringing down the power grid would cut us off from each other.

It would turn us into a third world country. There would be mass panic. Disinformation would spread like wildfire.

Fortunately there are many power grids. I don't think they could all be taken down

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:35 PM

30. He doesn't have to take them all down, does he. Just like he cherry-picked, targeted

very small, very specific but extremely strategic districts in 2016 - a similar effort could produce precisely the results he desires in 2020.


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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:53 PM

24. And do it without firing a bullet, launching a bomb or killing anyone.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:32 PM

28. It would kill people who rely on electricity for life support, folks at intersections when

the power went out, that sort of thing.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:30 PM

8. Highly recommended book on this subject:

"Lights Out" by Ted Koppel. All about our vulnerability and unpreparedness to cyber/electrical/grid/infrastructure attack (and not just in time or specifically for an election, but anytime as an act of cyber warfare.) Meticulously researched and scary as Hell.

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Response to Golden Raisin (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:40 PM

22. Thanks for the reference - I'll give it a read online if I can find it.

https://ottawa.bibliocommons.com/item/show/922810026

Imagine a blackout lasting not days, but weeks or months. Tens of millions of people over several states are affected. For those without access to a generator, there is no running water, no sewage, no refrigeration or light. Food and medical supplies are dwindling. Devices we rely on have gone dark. Banks no longer function, looting is widespread, and law and order are being tested as never before. It isn't just a scenario. A well-designed attack on just one of the nation's three electric power grids could cripple much of our infrastructure--and in the age of cyberwarfare, a laptop has become the only necessary weapon. Several nations hostile to the United States could launch such an assault at any time. In fact, as a former chief scientist of the NSA reveals, China and Russia have already penetrated the grid. And a cybersecurity advisor to President Obama believes that independent actors--from "hacktivists" to terrorists--have the capability as well. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when. And yet, as Koppel makes clear, the federal government, while well prepared for natural disasters, has no plan for the aftermath of an attack on the power grid. In the absence of a government plan, some individuals and communities have taken matters into their own hands. But how, Koppel asks, will ordinary civilians survive? One of our most renowned journalists examines a threat unique to our time and evaluates potential ways to prepare for a catastrophe that is all but inevitable.--Adapted from book jacket.

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Response to erronis (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:51 AM

79. If doing that for a long period would not risk destroying their own economy...

... further down... they would have done it a long time ago...

Today's worldwide markets are too dependent on each other in so many ways that it's too risky to paralize a big chunk of the totality of all of them.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:31 PM

9. Oh boy.

 

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:40 PM

31. If you think this is tinfoil...

...you're not paying attention!

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:38 PM

38. Really? Because you think they haven't effed with our grid?

just curious why you would believe this is some kind of tin-foil scenario.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 01:10 AM

47. Please provide a link! Nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 02:07 AM

48. Pretty sure you coulda Googled that but

Since you asked nicely:


Russia Hacked US Power Grid
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/23/596044821/russia-hacked-u-s-power-grid-so-what-will-the-trump-administration-do-about-it

(edited because I am tired and cranky. sorry)




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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:32 PM

10. Turnout

Is the necessary focus so it’s too big to steal.

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Response to mahina (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:41 PM

14. i fear nothing is too big to steal....

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Response to mahina (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 05:48 AM

58. Good links - thanks. (nt)

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Response to klook (Reply #58)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:02 AM

75. You bet.

Gene Sharp was a powerful force for peace. Other great short books of his are at the link too.

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Response to mahina (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 10:02 AM

63. Thanks for posting this

So many cool ideas.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #63)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:03 AM

76. Definitely. You'll find lots of other good tools for a piece on the side where the anti-coup is list

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Response to pangaia (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:15 PM

17. Agree

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Response to mahina (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:33 PM

29. First registration

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Response to mahina (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 05:43 AM

55. Digital calculations don't care about turnout humans do, what are we to do about the stolen

... election outside of Congress not certifying it?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:55 PM

15. agree nt

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:18 PM

19. I am actively involved in our local Democratic party and Democratic women's club

but I live in a ruby red county. Many of us are talking about how we can take our support and activism to other areas/candidates.

I would go gladly to a place where voters have been purged to help them re-register.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:39 PM

21. except the talk radio stations will have back-up - that is why democrats have to end their

ignorance of talk radio and convince the ad industry that they have to start applying market demand to rw radio advertising - a general total boycott and protests at the universities that support rw radio will convince the ad industry to act preemptively.

when advertisers start heading for the hills the ad industry will have to start screening clients for support for the global warming denial, racism, and lies - and few will

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:44 PM

23. The internet is much easier to control and much less obvious. Many won't even notice that their web

searches are bringing up specialized results.

Most don't know that their searches for "fascism" or "trump" or "nazi" are being logged for future actions.

Some may be cut off totally, but it will be much more effective to slowly strangle them - or at least the flow of information (reprocessed.)

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:59 PM

25. If I remember correctly I think there are only 11 states that do not have a paper back up of some

type... so not taking care of this is beyond dereliction of duty. and we still have plenty of time to take care of 11 states.. there is no excuse. Granted each state decides how to handle its voting, but we as a nation can demand that some type of paper back up be included. If they want to do it by mail, electronically what ever...that is the states province. But they need to keep a paper back up of the vote. The Russians WILL mess with our system again. They were testing getting into systems in 2016.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:02 PM

27. If the power grid goes down, then bomb Russia.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:06 PM

42. Why else do we have those nukes?

Russia would be the only possible explanation for outages.
If any power goes down let them birds fly

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:49 PM

32. Nah, wouldn't be that blatant. Plausible deniability is still a concern.

Why go loud when he can do it on the down low, like he did before? Much less obvious, much more cost-effective, and it creates long-term chaos and suspicion. Plus, that sort of blatant attack, which would cause pretty severe economic (and other) damage, could very easily be considered an outright act of war, which means now ol' Vlad has NATO breathing down his neck. He's not interested in fighting a war with NATO, methinks.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:05 PM

34. i vote by mail. id like all of us to go that way. i have had some rws try to tell me

that my vote by mail dosent count. hogwash.rws put in vote by mail to get around democrats but it blew up in their faces . happy new year du.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:37 PM

37. The only thing worse than Conspiracy Theories are lazy ones...

How are power cuts going to affect the election?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:00 PM

41. Really? sigh...I cant think of ONE thing that would work with power grids down.

Nothing.

Nice insult there, calling this a CT...sigh

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:45 PM

44. An unsupported theory about a conspiracy that MIGHT occur is called a.....

.....In 2008, Hurricane Sandy damaged huge swaths of of the eastern Seaboard, days before the Presidential Election. Care to remind us what happened?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 12:44 AM

46. Wow!

 

I am truly speechless, which is VERY rare for me...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 02:38 AM

50. It is a CT.

I expected more from a DU member
such as yourself.

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Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #50)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 05:48 AM

57. Yeah, no way Trump would do or allow something like that 🙄

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 07:39 AM

61. For pete's sake, that is not an insult.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 05:46 AM

56. Only thing worse about being called lazy is being called lazy be a lazier thinker

... the machines throughout the process run on electricity, failure at minimum would mean delays where cheating can more easily occur

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 10:13 AM

64. So counting paper ballots, which everyone here says is the gold standard for elections...

...is now an excuse for cheating. Got it.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #64)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 12:53 PM

68. ?!?! Distraction, paper ballots not the issue here Trump's willingness to do anything is

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #68)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:02 PM

70. Did Trump "do anything" to win the Election in 2018?

Some people give his abilities far too much credit.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 02:24 AM

49. My county recently announced that it's sending mail-in ballots to everyone

for the California presidential primary. They come with a postage-paid envelope; voters can also drop their ballots off at any city hall in the county, or at special drop-off places that will be open for over a week before the election.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:39 AM

52. Really? Do you have lots and lots of tinfoil available?

This is the kind of bullshit that we really shouldn't see here on DU.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:59 AM

54. Thank you.

 

This thread is really something. “Bomb Russia?” “Let the nukes fly?” Wow.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 05:48 AM

59. Right !! Trump would never try some bull shit like that

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:52 AM

53. So what now? My concern is what appears to be the lack of concern

from the people who have the power to change and/or make noise about this. Use your megaphones, dammit, and don't let up until the problems/threats are resolved.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 06:57 AM

60. In Northern VA

My county's election day guide has an entire chapter on emergency guidelines.

This includes a section on power outages.

The tablets used to check in voters still would run on battery power.

Once completed, the paper ballots would go into the emergency slot of the ballot box instead of the scanner side.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 09:54 AM

62. Bless your heart. You do enjoy being the voice of doom, don't you?n/t

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #62)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 11:19 AM

65. Lol.

Spot on.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 11:30 AM

66. Most here are probably not prepared for if the power grid goes down for weeks

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 12:42 PM

67. Early Voting!

Get your vote counted before the ratfucking gets fully in gear.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:14 PM

71. not only that, in 16 there were outages in some city precincts.

iirc, both detroit and milwaukee had high volume polling places that went dark.
chicago had long line due to a dirty trick that called off judges. didnt matter here, he was never getting il.
but yeah, lemme see, what states are those 2 cities in?

they wouldnt do it nationwide, but watch for targeted outages, likely in black areas.

a little prep could freak them out. seems like we could take as good a guess as pootie about what precinct to target. have a few generators on hand, and see whose heads explode.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 06:06 PM

72. Steps are being taken

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 06:30 PM

73. If not the power grid, then it will be the

Internet, or more specifically, social media sites.

That is my biggest worry starting even as early as the primaries.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Dec 29, 2019, 07:16 PM

74. HERE IN MADISON - not only did DU go down (ie replaced by that hideous graphic of trump with a gun)

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but Madisons progressive talk radio station at the time suddenly switched to Christmas music the evening of the election.... and has been an oldies channel ever since. It's owned by clear channel so they can do that.... even though Madison progressive talk radio was said to be the most profitale in the nation.

At the time all I could think was - someone out there must really not want us progressives to be talking amongst ourselves about how fishy the election results were looking in the state of Wisconsin.

It was SO disconcerting to have not one, but two of my main news sources suddenly not be available. If it was just DU, I would just shrug it off as just a random hack. That it was DU AND Wisconsin's main progressive station - that was really disconcerting.

So naturally my worry now is - what are contingency plans for communications this time around?? How else besides internet will we be able to communicate? Perhaps set up local communication channels, go back to the old fashioned phone tree LOL (people pre 1990s will remember that.)

We now have an independently owned progressive talk station in WI, so I'm sure they'll continue broadcasting.... assuming they can.

And therein is my concern - to what lengths would they go to cut off communications.

Everything Ive read about "when societies shut down" mention that the communications and news channels are the first things to go.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:46 AM

77. This time Putin will be playing hard ball.

Last time was an experiment to see how he might influence an election.
It worked extremely well and now he has a potential hand in controlling the United States if he can keep Trump in power.
It’s serious now so he will do anything to prevent the government falling into Democratic control.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #77)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:06 AM

81. Why would he have let the Blue Wave that impeached his paid puppet...

... happen last year then?

If he really was that powerful (he isn't...), I think he would not have let 6,000,000 more votes for Dems than Russiablicans be counted, no?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 04:55 AM

80. Report: US Cyber Command took Russian trolls offline during midterms

Report: US Cyber Command took Russian trolls offline during midterms
Measures against Internet Research Agency apparently went beyond sliding into DMs.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/02/report-us-cyber-command-took-russian-trolls-offline-during-midterms/

My guess is they will be even more "ready" for November 3, two years after.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 05:26 AM

82. Our county uses paper ballots marked with pen or pencil.

They are counted on machines but are readily available for a recount.

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