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Sun Dec 15, 2019, 06:27 PM

Many Americans thought the FISA program would not end well.

Anytime someone has that type of power over another, at some time or another someone will abuse the system.

Of course, it was expanded as part of our anti-terrorism fight after 9/11. (Actually as 'cos dem' has noted down the page, it was actually begun during the Carter Administration) We wanted to keep track of terrorists calling other terrorists inside our country. To make it sound more palatable, they assured us that a "FISA Court" would oversee all requests to eavesdrop on others phone calls, etc.

When the warnings came in about possible Russia meddling, and suspicious contacts with people within the Trump campaign with Russian officials, some connected to Russian Security, it naturally raised a flag for the FBI. Otherwise they would not have been doing their jobs. That is more or less what the DOJ IG said in his Report.

And he reported on 17 instances where questionable information was used to get a FISA warrant or some other violation.

It's a difficult matter to sort.

(edited to correct when program was begun)

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Reply Many Americans thought the FISA program would not end well. (Original post)
kentuck Dec 2019 OP
Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #1
kentuck Dec 2019 #3
machI Dec 2019 #2
cos dem Dec 2019 #4
kentuck Dec 2019 #5
Igel Dec 2019 #6

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 06:29 PM

1. The secrecy is a big problem...

arguably, it is a necessary evil, but it means you can't prove anything without compromising the process entirely.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 06:38 PM

3. True.

If Trump/Russia had not happened, maybe no one would be questioning the program at all?

A necessary evil?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 06:37 PM

2. The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution stands in opposition to FISA

The time for a limited suspension of individual rights has passed. It is time to return to swearing out warrants as outlined in the Constitution. There is no place for secret courts and secret surveillance in a free society.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 06:39 PM

4. Actually, FISA was passed in 1978.

It's use was greatly expanded after 9/11, but the act, and the court established by the act, have been around for quite awhile.

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Response to cos dem (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 06:41 PM

5. Thanks for that info!

Was the FISA program reformed with the "Patriot Act"? Did that make it easier to spy on people?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 07:47 PM

6. Yes, yes.

(D) typically were opposed to the increase in FISA surveillance, (R) supported it. It wasn't until very recently that this flipped.

The flip was the revelation that FISA wasn't just encroaching on civil rights, but could be a useful tool. All talk of civil rights violations vanished when the tool became more short-term useful than abstract moral.

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