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Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:06 PM

 

Can the Democrats expel this Van Loser guy?

I'm really pissed that he's going to defect after the vote. FUCK YOU PAL.

Can he be kicked out somehow????

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Reply Can the Democrats expel this Van Loser guy? (Original post)
UniteFightBack Dec 2019 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #1
UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #3
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #4
UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #5
Hortensis Dec 2019 #27
samnsara Dec 2019 #2
dalton99a Dec 2019 #7
kentuck Dec 2019 #6
tblue37 Dec 2019 #8
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #18
onenote Dec 2019 #25
tritsofme Dec 2019 #9
demtenjeep Dec 2019 #10
Catherine Vincent Dec 2019 #11
tritsofme Dec 2019 #12
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2019 #14
pintobean Dec 2019 #15
tritsofme Dec 2019 #17
pintobean Dec 2019 #21
MFM008 Dec 2019 #19
tritsofme Dec 2019 #20
onenote Dec 2019 #26
pintobean Dec 2019 #13
Vinca Dec 2019 #16
Gothmog Dec 2019 #22
Gothmog Dec 2019 #23
lastlib Dec 2019 #24
True Blue American Dec 2019 #28

Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:07 PM

1. Not for doing what he did.

It's reprehensible but it doesn't violate any House rules.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:12 PM

3. So we can't kick him out of the party? I'm sorry but I would say something about this and

 

expose this for what bullshit it is. The Russiapublicans are going to say he left because impeachment was absurd...blah blah blah and he's staying long enough to cast the vote as a Dem and he plans to switch parties the next day???

Pukes will be milking that quite a bit and will there be a peep from Dems??? I'd be on TV saying he can go now we want him out of the party TODAY.

I want coordinated strategy and similar lines of attack from Dems. Why is there no think tank taking care of all this?

We need to fight fire with fire.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:15 PM

4. I don't know if it's possible to kick someone out of a party,

and isn't he leaving it anyhow? He's just one congressman that nobody outside NJ has heard of. Let NJ voters deal with him.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:18 PM

5. The point is he is casting his vote as a Democrat for a no on impeachment to make it look like there

 

was more bi-partisan support for not impeaching dump. Then he plans on switching parties the next day at an event with dump. IMO he can go right the fuck NOW.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 08:36 AM

27. No, that's his choice, AND HE'S THE CHOICE OF HIS VOTERS.

The constituents in his district are the ones who will decide what they think of this. Now, if he'd molested a child, the caucus would take serious action, and presumably that would not block the wishes of those who elected him.

As for why, note that the liberal-dominated Democratic Party is egalitarian by nature and extremely diverse in makeup. For both reasons, our congressmen don't just take orders from above and are seldom given them, being wooed instead. They have to be free enough to represent their very different districts.

In contrast, the conservative white man's Republican Party is far less egalitarian and more authoritarian and conforming* in nature, hierarchical in structure (power at the top), with diversity in income and education but not much else. Their congressmen expect to take orders from the top, and that can work without completely destroying their ability to represent (resulting in voter rebellion) because of conservatives' general approval of conformity and because of their relative lack of diversity.

* Putting a greater value on conformity is one of the big basic differences between conservatives and liberals. Attitudes toward equality are the biggest difference -- for liberals it's a top principle, with inequality believed to be wrong and a problem to be solved.
Conservatives tend to believe inequality is natural and if not overdone desirable and necessary.

Anyway, all this has big effects on how our representative government works.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:09 PM

2. i thought he said he wasnt going to do that..

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:22 PM

7. That was when he was dumb. He is smart now:

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Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:21 PM

6. Why?

He would have to win a Republican primary if he switches Parties. He would have a better chance of winning as a Democrat. Either way, no big deal.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:28 PM

8. Democrats don't have anything comparable to the wingnut welfare circuit that enriches failed GOP

politicians. This jerk is not going to be nominated by the Republicans in his district, and he faces major opposition from the Democrats, so there's no hope for re-election anyway. Therefore, he needs to punch his "I'm really on your side, Republicans!" ticket and then switch parties so he can cash in as an unfairly treated wingnut/ Dem defector.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:36 PM

18. If he switches, I suspect it's because Trump told him he'd have the backing of Trump and the GOP.

If Van Drew switches, it must be that he thinks he has a better shot at keeping his job as a Republican. He may be wrong, but that's the only thing that makes sense.

A district that was only +5 for Trump in 2016 that he then won, as a Democrat in 2018, would seem to be a toss-up that is probably leaning Dem at this point.

He's consistently voted Dem on everything but impeachment-related matters and the case for impeachment is so clear-cut, so I don't know what the hell his thinking is, especially if his district supports impeachment, as I understand it does. If he changes the letter after his name, is he suddenly going to change all of his views? Will he start voting with Republicans on every issue? It's all so weird.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 08:08 AM

25. This district elected a republican for 23 years until 2018

He defeated a Republican candidate who was so far out on the fringe that even the National Republican Party dropped their support for him. One of his campaign promises was to vote against Pelosi for speaker.

I think the characterization of this district as even a toss up is over-optimistic. If he switches parties and can get the republican nomination, he almost certainly wins reelection.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:47 PM

9. Thankfully it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member from the House.

Precisely so, angry folks in the majority, like yourself, cannot kick out a duly elected congressman because he made political decisions they don’t like.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 02:50 PM

10. your words are weirdly expressed. Majority party like yourself...not us?

hum

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:16 PM

11. Hmm, you're right. "like yourself"?

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:19 PM

12. Thanks for your concern. Just pointing out that our system is setup to prevent

the sort of dangerous anti-democratic actions advocated by the OP.

This would be true if the majority is a Democratic or Republican one.

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:21 PM

14. I think "like yourself" probably means "angry people"

Hopefully, it doesn't mean "Democratic".

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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:24 PM

15. That assumes we're all angry.

 

Maybe the member (since 2003) doesn't presume to speak for every Democrat.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:35 PM

17. No, it is a specific criticism of advocating to expel a member from the House

Because we don’t like their political actions.

As I said, thankfully the 2/3 requirement tempers any angry majority’s ability to take such un-democratic actions.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:57 PM

21. I think you mistook my reply as being directed at you.

 

It wasn't. I'm defending you.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:42 PM

19. He was duly elected

AS A DEMOCRAT.
Not an ass swilling distraction for a fat maggot.
HE made the political decision
And if i was a voter in his district i would be furious.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 04:54 PM

20. I agree, but this isn't an argument for explusion.

Voters will cast their judgment.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 08:10 AM

26. A lot of voters chose him not because he was a Democrat

but because he was a consservative: he ran on a promise to vote against Pelosi as speaker. His Republican opponent was so openly racist that even the Republican National Party disavowed him and withdrew their support.

I suspect the majority of voters in his district won't have a problem with his defecting from the Democratic party.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:20 PM

13. You mean, like, impeached?

 

Wouldn't he be entitled to some type of due process? That would take even more time.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:27 PM

16. Let him leave - he's probably a liability anyway. Chances are he can't win the next time

around without Democratic votes so fuck him.

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Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2019, 05:09 PM

22. New Jersey Republicans not interested in party-jumping Jeff Van Drew as their candidate in 2020

It appears that Van Drew will not be the GOP nominee automatically if he switches parties. Even with trump's support, there is a very good chance that this idiot will lose in the GOP primary where there are already a number of long time republicans running.




Democratic lawmaker Rep. Jeff Van Drew (NJ) is not being welcomed with open arms by Republicans in his district after word got out that he is planning on switching parties following lobbying from President Donald Trump.

With polling in his district showing he was facing an uphill climb for re-election the Democrat, who is considered fairly conservative and has opposed the impeachment of Trump, is expected to announce the switch soon with reports stating he has already informed his staffers of the imminent move.....

“Van Drew’s political conversion doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be the GOP nominee. Three Republicans had already declared their candidacies for his seat. And while Trump’s backing would be politically potent, it would have to overcome hard GOP feelings from decades of tough election battles against Van Drew.”

One Republican vying for Van Drew’s seat wasted no time attacking the party-switcher, saying the lawmaker is “trying to use South Jersey Republicans to cling onto his power.”

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Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 12:35 AM

23. This idiot is losing his staff

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Response to UniteFightBack (Original post)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 07:15 AM

24. He can be expelled from the House Dem caucus.

No prob there.
We can't kick him out of Congress tho--but his voters can next November.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 16, 2019, 08:52 AM

28. Al 6 of his Staff Members Quit

Saying he did not reflect the values of why they came to work for Congress.

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