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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan the Democrats expel this Van Loser guy?
I'm really pissed that he's going to defect after the vote. FUCK YOU PAL.
Can he be kicked out somehow????
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,485 posts)It's reprehensible but it doesn't violate any House rules.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)expose this for what bullshit it is. The Russiapublicans are going to say he left because impeachment was absurd...blah blah blah and he's staying long enough to cast the vote as a Dem and he plans to switch parties the next day???
Pukes will be milking that quite a bit and will there be a peep from Dems??? I'd be on TV saying he can go now we want him out of the party TODAY.
I want coordinated strategy and similar lines of attack from Dems. Why is there no think tank taking care of all this?
We need to fight fire with fire.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(119,485 posts)and isn't he leaving it anyhow? He's just one congressman that nobody outside NJ has heard of. Let NJ voters deal with him.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)was more bi-partisan support for not impeaching dump. Then he plans on switching parties the next day at an event with dump. IMO he can go right the fuck NOW.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The constituents in his district are the ones who will decide what they think of this. Now, if he'd molested a child, the caucus would take serious action, and presumably that would not block the wishes of those who elected him.
As for why, note that the liberal-dominated Democratic Party is egalitarian by nature and extremely diverse in makeup. For both reasons, our congressmen don't just take orders from above and are seldom given them, being wooed instead. They have to be free enough to represent their very different districts.
In contrast, the conservative white man's Republican Party is far less egalitarian and more authoritarian and conforming* in nature, hierarchical in structure (power at the top), with diversity in income and education but not much else. Their congressmen expect to take orders from the top, and that can work without completely destroying their ability to represent (resulting in voter rebellion) because of conservatives' general approval of conformity and because of their relative lack of diversity.
* Putting a greater value on conformity is one of the big basic differences between conservatives and liberals. Attitudes toward equality are the biggest difference -- for liberals it's a top principle, with inequality believed to be wrong and a problem to be solved.
Conservatives tend to believe inequality is natural and if not overdone desirable and necessary.
Anyway, all this has big effects on how our representative government works.
samnsara
(18,143 posts)dalton99a
(83,479 posts)kentuck
(112,399 posts)He would have to win a Republican primary if he switches Parties. He would have a better chance of winning as a Democrat. Either way, no big deal.
tblue37
(66,033 posts)politicians. This jerk is not going to be nominated by the Republicans in his district, and he faces major opposition from the Democrats, so there's no hope for re-election anyway. Therefore, he needs to punch his "I'm really on your side, Republicans!" ticket and then switch parties so he can cash in as an unfairly treated wingnut/ Dem defector.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)If Van Drew switches, it must be that he thinks he has a better shot at keeping his job as a Republican. He may be wrong, but that's the only thing that makes sense.
A district that was only +5 for Trump in 2016 that he then won, as a Democrat in 2018, would seem to be a toss-up that is probably leaning Dem at this point.
He's consistently voted Dem on everything but impeachment-related matters and the case for impeachment is so clear-cut, so I don't know what the hell his thinking is, especially if his district supports impeachment, as I understand it does. If he changes the letter after his name, is he suddenly going to change all of his views? Will he start voting with Republicans on every issue? It's all so weird.
onenote
(44,049 posts)He defeated a Republican candidate who was so far out on the fringe that even the National Republican Party dropped their support for him. One of his campaign promises was to vote against Pelosi for speaker.
I think the characterization of this district as even a toss up is over-optimistic. If he switches parties and can get the republican nomination, he almost certainly wins reelection.
tritsofme
(18,088 posts)Precisely so, angry folks in the majority, like yourself, cannot kick out a duly elected congressman because he made political decisions they dont like.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)hum
Catherine Vincent
(34,526 posts)tritsofme
(18,088 posts)the sort of dangerous anti-democratic actions advocated by the OP.
This would be true if the majority is a Democratic or Republican one.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,703 posts)Hopefully, it doesn't mean "Democratic".
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Maybe the member (since 2003) doesn't presume to speak for every Democrat.
tritsofme
(18,088 posts)Because we dont like their political actions.
As I said, thankfully the 2/3 requirement tempers any angry majoritys ability to take such un-democratic actions.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It wasn't. I'm defending you.
MFM008
(19,964 posts)AS A DEMOCRAT.
Not an ass swilling distraction for a fat maggot.
HE made the political decision
And if i was a voter in his district i would be furious.
tritsofme
(18,088 posts)Voters will cast their judgment.
onenote
(44,049 posts)but because he was a consservative: he ran on a promise to vote against Pelosi as speaker. His Republican opponent was so openly racist that even the Republican National Party disavowed him and withdrew their support.
I suspect the majority of voters in his district won't have a problem with his defecting from the Democratic party.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Wouldn't he be entitled to some type of due process? That would take even more time.
Vinca
(50,793 posts)around without Democratic votes so fuck him.
Gothmog
(152,687 posts)It appears that Van Drew will not be the GOP nominee automatically if he switches parties. Even with trump's support, there is a very good chance that this idiot will lose in the GOP primary where there are already a number of long time republicans running.
Link to tweet
With polling in his district showing he was facing an uphill climb for re-election the Democrat, who is considered fairly conservative and has opposed the impeachment of Trump, is expected to announce the switch soon with reports stating he has already informed his staffers of the imminent move.....
Van Drews political conversion doesnt necessarily mean hell be the GOP nominee. Three Republicans had already declared their candidacies for his seat. And while Trumps backing would be politically potent, it would have to overcome hard GOP feelings from decades of tough election battles against Van Drew.
One Republican vying for Van Drews seat wasted no time attacking the party-switcher, saying the lawmaker is trying to use South Jersey Republicans to cling onto his power.
Gothmog
(152,687 posts)lastlib
(24,488 posts)No prob there.
We can't kick him out of Congress tho--but his voters can next November.
True Blue American
(18,105 posts)Saying he did not reflect the values of why they came to work for Congress.