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Sat Dec 14, 2019, 06:47 PM

Europe threatens U.S. with carbon tariffs to combat climate change

Europe threatens U.S. with carbon tariffs to combat climate change

ďItís not whether itís going to happen ó itís going to happen,Ē former Secretary of State John Kerry predicts.

By†ZACK COLMAN

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/13/europe-carbon-tariff-climate-change-084892

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MADRID ó European countries frustrated by inaction on climate change are taking a lesson from President Donald Trumpís trade wars ó and threatening carbon tariffs on laggards like the United States.

By imposing tariffs on goods from the U.S. and other countries that lack tough climate policies, the Europeans would help their own industries avoid being handicapped by the EUís greenhouse gas efforts. But if they hit the U.S., they would risk a worsening trade war with the Trump administration, which has already threatened hefty tariffs on goods such as French champagne and German autos over a range of competition disputes.

Potential carbon tariffs have been an active topic at the United Nations climate conference that wraps up this weekend in Madrid, where nearly 200 nations have been at odds over how to counter the continued global rise of greenhouse gas emissions. And some diplomats say itís inevitable that governments will turn to trade barriers in the effort to fight climate change.

ďItís not whether itís going to happen ó itís going to happen,Ē former Secretary of State John Kerry, who helped negotiate the Paris accord during the Obama administration, said in an interview with POLITICO.

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Reply Europe threatens U.S. with carbon tariffs to combat climate change (Original post)
applegrove Dec 14 OP
sandensea Dec 14 #1
AncientGeezer Dec 14 #2
karynnj Dec 14 #3
defacto7 Dec 14 #4
tritsofme Dec 14 #5
DanieRains Dec 14 #6
abqtommy Dec 14 #7
roamer65 Dec 14 #8
tritsofme Dec 14 #9
roamer65 Dec 14 #10
applegrove Dec 14 #12
roamer65 Dec 14 #13
tritsofme Dec 14 #14
roamer65 Dec 14 #15
tritsofme Dec 14 #16
roamer65 Dec 14 #17
tritsofme Dec 14 #18
walkingman Dec 14 #11

Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 06:54 PM

1. Cheeto thinks he can start trade wars with other countries, and that no one will retaliate

All the more so in this case, since Europe has gone much further in reducing their greenhouse gas emissions since 2000 than we have.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 06:55 PM

2. That would go poorly for Europe...Dumpster tarrifs are idiocy...

Europe hitting us...really not well thought out...and won't happen.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 06:59 PM

3. It is interesting that when the US was trying to pass a climate change bill there was concern

that other countries would not agree to lower their carbon footprint and that doing that would give them a competitive advantage. The solution was that there would have to be the option of increasing tariffs to wipe out any financial gain by countries floating a world wide climate effort.

John Kerry is entirely correct -- and likely very sad that it is the US that is that country.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:09 PM

4. I'm all for it. At least someone is walking the walk.

If our government won't act against HCCC then we deserve what other countries dish out.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:09 PM

5. I mean...a wordwide recession is one way to decrease carbon emissions.

Trade wars, like shooting wars, can get out of hand quickly.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:14 PM

6. Taxing Carbon Earth's Only Chance

Just imagine 5 degrees celsius! How well do you do at 125 degrees half of summer?

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:20 PM

7. Yup. If tRUMP even knew that tariffs cut both ways then he's forgotten already.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:20 PM

8. Smart move by the EU.

Next smart move would be to highly tariff nations that donít drastically lower birth rates.

The best chance to halt carbon emissions is to halt baby production.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:35 PM

9. Poor countries typically have higher birth rates. You propose punitive tariffs against them?

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:35 PM

10. Yes.

Do you like having a livable planet? That is what is at stake. The survival of the human race.

Oceans warm too much and phytoplankton will begin to die. That means no O2.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:40 PM

12. Best way to slow birth rate in poorer places is to educate girls and women..

Then, women in the poorest countires have 1.7 children like everyone else.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:42 PM

13. It needs to be less than 1.0

https://psmag.com/environment/global-warming-is-putting-phytoplankton-in-danger

Phytoplankton levels are already down 40 percent since 1950.

Best way is to offer financial incentives to men to have vasectomies. Women shouldnít have to bear all the responsibilities of population control.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:42 PM

14. There are other ways to encourage changes in behavior than punishing poor countries.

That sounds more like Old World imperialism.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:45 PM

15. The watch the human race cease to exist.

Personally, I think it deserves it. We have been utterly HORRIBLE stewards of this planet.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:49 PM

16. You present a false choice.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:52 PM

17. You are naive.

Get your head out of sand. Reality bites. But will be biting much harder if we do nothing.

https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/geosciences/geosciences-08-00201/article_deploy/geosciences-08-00201.pdf

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:55 PM

18. You are just cruel. The choice isn't between causing people in poor countries to starve to death

and doing nothing.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2019, 07:36 PM

11. I hope so - I wish every nation would follow suit. Time to choose - greed or life.

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