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Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:24 AM

Impeachment already feels like yesterday. Barr sucked all the air out yesterday. I feel

like we we are climbing a slick oily wall. Slipping and sliding not making progress.

There is nothing to foreshadow the GOP tactic of digging in and standing with Biff will not work.

There is too much everywhere. What about the Durham report yet to be disclosed? Yes we know it will be crap but they donít care do they. We are dealing with a level of chaos never before heard of.
It continues, and itís getting bigger. Itís going to take some huge balls by some big names to get this thing, this monster, under control.

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Reply Impeachment already feels like yesterday. Barr sucked all the air out yesterday. I feel (Original post)
Ninga Dec 2019 OP
dewsgirl Dec 2019 #1
Ninga Dec 2019 #3
dem4decades Dec 2019 #2
Ninga Dec 2019 #4
StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #6
Codeine Dec 2019 #10
dem4decades Dec 2019 #13
Mike 03 Dec 2019 #5
BootinUp Dec 2019 #7
global1 Dec 2019 #8
moondust Dec 2019 #11
Ninga Dec 2019 #9
world wide wally Dec 2019 #12

Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:25 AM

1. I know.😔

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:27 AM

3. It's a mess.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:26 AM

2. You can thank Mitchell, Williams and MSNBC for that.

Co conspirators in propaganda.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:29 AM

4. I do blame them. But the result is more damage, piling on top of more damage, the American

people are being bombarded.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:38 AM

6. People need to take more responsibility for this and not expect the media to spoon-feed us

The Democrats and, yes, even the media, have given us more than enough to work with. Why just watch MSNBC passively waiting for them to tell us more and more and more - and getting kissed off if they don't? We already support impeachment, so whatvare we expecting them to tell us? Do we think the people who don't yet support impeachment are sitting around watching MSNBC and if Andrea Mitchell just talked about impeachment more, they would change their minds and come on board?

Those folks aren't watching MSNBC and certainly aren't likely to suddenly have their minds changed by anything they're reporting. They're at work, talking their kiss to school, going to neighborhood holiday parties and school hockey games. That's where we reach them.

So, instead of complaining that MSNBC isn't trying harder to change their minds, WE need to be working to change their minds. Talk to them, share information, ask the questions, etc. The Democrats have given us more than enough tools, but they can't reach into people's homes. We need to take some responsibility.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:08 AM

10. Less than 1 in 300 people watch MSNBC.

We give cable news entirely too much credit.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 10:11 AM

13. Not the point. How many people did Barr reach through MSNBC?

Not just on MSNBC but all those other outlets that reported that Barr said.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:36 AM

5. Same here.

I can only add that I agree. It's suffocating at times. The truth seems not to be breaking through amidst the onslaught of gaslighting and Russian disinformation. And one of our major political parties seems to be completely compromised and morally dysfunctional. It's hard not to be pessimistic in general. And other important countries are going down too. We have to fight for our lives over the next 12 months.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:43 AM

7. Fuck Barr. He has as much credibility as the orange fool

at this point.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:01 AM

8. Lies - The New Reality.....

How do you refute/combat lies when Trump and all his partners in crime band together and just spew lies everytime they open their mouths.

As long as they're able to keep the wagons circled their lies become reality and even 'fact checking' has little effect on penetrating these lies.

Think about their closed door meetings where they discuss their strategies to lie and lie on top of lies. I can't even imagine what evil lurks in these people's minds.

What is their end game when they appear to have all their ducks in a row? They scoff at impeachment. They conjure up conspiracies and use them against our intelligence community. They stack the courts. They work with our enemies and belittle our allies. They turn their actions and tactics around and accuse the other side of doing what in fact they are doing.

How does this end? What else is in store for us as we move through impeachment; aquittal; 2020 campaigning; and ultimately a Nov 2020 election?

I said it when we were shocked that Trump won in 2016 and I still believe it. We are in the midst of a coup e'tat. One that looks like it was years in the conceiving, planning, implementing and carrying out now right before our eyes.

How many people are involved in this and at what levels?

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Response to global1 (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:24 AM

11. Criminalize lying in politics?

U.K. election candidate Adam Price of the Plaid Cymru Party of Wales wants to do just that.

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Plaid Cymru is calling for lying in politics to be made a criminal offence...
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Adam Price says the law should stop politicians deliberately misleading the public
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http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50730375

Interesting idea, maybe tricky to enforce.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:03 AM

9. We are watching in real time the results of our

country being divided and the destruction of norms and the truth.

I believe our country is in the beginning stages of a free fall.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:27 AM

12. Their lies are just designed to be talking points for MAGATs when they have their

backs against the wall and need rationalizations.

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