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Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:53 PM

Important point: Manafort probably watching Ukraine developments

As the Ukraine mess comes into focus for investigators and the nation with each new bit of evidence, there's someone sitting in prison who Trump said 'could sink him and his presidency.' Paul Manafort has not cooperated with prosecutors to the extent expected...probably because he and his co-conspirators saw a way out of the mess and into a pardon. Manafort was important to the Mueller investigation, but along with stonewalling by others his silence was likely one of the reasons why Mueller didn't describe conspiracy as strongly as he could have. (Barr is likely another reason, but that's a different point.)

As Abramson points out, the Ukraine plot really had two major objectives: rehabilitation of Russia and rehabilitation of Manafort. Biden might be a third objective but is relatively minor compared to the national security implications of the first two -- a bonus. Abramson points out that the corrupt Ukraine scandal MAY have been created during the time Mueller could have been the major threat to expose the Russia scandal, which in many ways is much worse than just Ukraine.

In addition to benefitting Russia the Ukraine scandal, if successful, could have been a reason to grant Manafort a pardon, thereby removing Manafort as a threat to Trump. NOW...if Trump/Putin Ukraine propaganda fails and Manafort thinks he'll die in prison, IS HIS MOTIVATION TO SPILL THE BEANS A BIT DIFFERENT THAN BEFORE? Will Manafort be tempted to 'sink' Trump? Is this the time the ongoing Russia counter-intelligence investigations begin to merge with Ukraine investigations?

Schiff appears to be on top of this per tweets today. And if impeachment continues along these lines and they focus on the deep, longer treachery associated with Russia...look out!

Good stuff every day here:

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson

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Reply Important point: Manafort probably watching Ukraine developments (Original post)
wiggs Dec 3 OP
H2O Man Dec 3 #1
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Wellstone ruled Dec 3 #3
wiggs Dec 3 #5
Wellstone ruled Dec 3 #7
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Response to wiggs (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:54 PM

1. Recommended.

Very important. Context is everything.

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Response to wiggs (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:59 PM

2. kick & rec. nt

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Response to wiggs (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:07 PM

3. All about the money.

If Russian operatives,meaning Trump,Senator Johnson,Lindsey Graham,Devin Nunes,Rudy G.,and Manafort could pull this off,Russian would have all Sanctions pulled by Trump and the Senate.

It is all about the money. Putin needs hard Currency investment in his Country to survive a Revolution that is headed his way and he knows it. No jobs,no food ,what do you think is going to happen. He is a Stalinist through and through.

And he knows darn well how that worked out in 1914 and how the Populace turned on the Ruling Class.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:19 PM

5. Exactly. And speaking of money, SA, Qatar, Turkey also up to their necks in a connected plot nt

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Response to wiggs (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:37 PM

7. Sure as hell looks that way.

Putin is establishing Bases of Military presence and fully operational Bases in and around the Worlds Major Oil Deposits as well as Extractive critical minerals.

Why does Turkey a NATO Member take Russian Anti-Aircraft Systems? The World Alliance's shifted in 2017 when the Moscow Agent was elected to reflect the new Russian dominance all over the Globe.

Putin and his Oligarch partners need each other to pull this off. And if Trump the Crook is not taken out,well I do dread the next chapter.

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Response to wiggs (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:08 PM

4. He just finished that thread, the Ukraine conspiracy theories

were what Putin and Trump came up with in 2016 when their Russia collusion was exposed.

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Response to wiggs (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:25 PM

6. Other people watching how this unfolds: potential whistleblowers in State, OMB; the intelligence

services of other countries who probably know a lot more than is public; already-called witnesses who have defied subpoenas; Mueller (he knows a lot more than publicly said); Cohen, from his prison cell; Lindsey (already today sounding desperate); Mattis, Tillerson, Masterson; and more.

Need just a few more trickles to start an avalanche.

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