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Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:36 PM

Here's a reason to push for impeachment, regardless of what the Senate does

Posting this, in part, because I didnít know it until now, so it may be newsworthy to others as well.

Regardless of whether a sitting president can be indicted and convicted on such criminal charges, Trump will become liable to them at some point. But could he be pardoned, as Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon 45 years ago?

Article II, section 2 of the constitution gives a president the power to pardon anyone who has been convicted of offenses against the United States, with one exception: ďin Cases of Impeachment.Ē

If Trump is impeached by the House, he can never be pardoned for these crimes. He cannot pardon himself (itís dubious that a president has this self-pardoning power in any event), and he cannot be pardoned by a future president.

Even if a subsequent president wanted to pardon Trump in the interest of, say, domestic tranquility, she could not.

Gerald Ford wrote in his pardon of Nixon that if Nixon were indicted and subject to a criminal trial, ďthe tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lostĒ.

Had the House impeached Nixon, Fordís hands would have been tied.

Trump is not going to be so lucky. The House will probably impeach him before Christmas and then his chance of getting a pardon for his many crimes will be gone.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/30/trump-impeachment-inquiry-removal

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:44 PM

1. Or

An equally likely meaning of the clause is the president cannot grant a pardon to stop an impeachment.

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:47 PM

2. I expect him to try to give himself a blanket pardon

before impeachment. He will at least mention it at one of his Nazi rallies.

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:49 PM

3. That means the impeachment itself can't be pardoned

Which would allow him to restore his position. I donít think it applies to the crimes that led to impeachment. He could still be pardoned for those.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:11 PM

4. that's my reading of it, too

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