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Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:17 PM

'So If You're Poor, You're Dead'? Watch These Brits Gasp When They Find Out Cost of Healthcare...

Published on Tuesday, December 03, 2019
by Common Dreams
'So If You're Poor, You're Dead'? Watch These Brits Gasp When They Find Out Cost of Healthcare in the United States
"The cost of American healthcare is literally unimaginable to most British people."
by Eoin Higgins, staff writer


Britons in a video released Tuesday expressed incredulity and shock at the high cost of healthcare in the United States and thanked the United Kingdom's publicly-funded and administered National Health Service for sparing the country's people such exorbitant prices.

"So if you're poor, you're dead," one young woman tells the interviewer from Joe Politics after hearing an asthma inhaler in the for-profit U.S. system costs between $250 and $300.

Two different men appear shocked when told Americans can be charged $2,500 for an ambulance ride.

"For real?" one asks. "Why?" asks another.



"I've said it before and I'll say it again," tweeted historian David Walsh, "the cost of American healthcare is literally unimaginable to most British people."

The person-on-the-street interviews that make up the four minute video come in the wake of reports in late November that the ruling Conservative Party, which faces off against left-leaning Labour on December 12 in national elections, is planning on opening the U.K.'s health system to a more U.S. approach after leaving the European Union.

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Reply 'So If You're Poor, You're Dead'? Watch These Brits Gasp When They Find Out Cost of Healthcare... (Original post)
babylonsister Dec 3 OP
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Turbineguy Dec 3 #6
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Hermit-The-Prog Dec 3 #25
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:28 PM

1. Oh gosh.. That young woman is so charming

and right of course.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:29 PM

2. I've been here 20 years and still it is unimaginable.

I still got the mindset of "you're sick, you call the doctor, you see the doctor, he gives you a prescription, you go to the chemist and get your prescription filled, and you go home, maybe £7-9 poorer for the medication".

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:30 PM

3. "So if you're poor, you're dead," - pretty much.

Sometimes eventually, sometimes it's less gradual. Paying more than one can afford for something one must have to be healthy is definitely a dead end.

Our healthcare "system" doesn't even allow time for you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:35 PM

4. I used to half joke about the return of death carts as an industry

Picking bodies up off the street. People dying homeless because they canít afford healthcare.

Itís becoming a reality. Maybe not an industry exactly, but people get paid to do it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:44 PM

5. Medical costs are unimaginable to most Americans too. It's criminal almost. Profits at the...

expense of Americans' health. And are things better? Are new and better treatments arising out of these higher costs? No. Health care is being viewed as a profit center and our health care system is in danger of being overcome by the monsters of greed.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:46 PM

6. Life in a republican paradise.


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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:08 PM

8. Al Martin talked about this in the early nineties

The Case for Sedition

The Bush idea was (I remember Jeb used to say this) that, "Look, you hit them in every single hat they wear." That was the idea. He used to call them fodder. You hit the fodder in their hats as Taxpayers. You hit them in their hats as Investors and Savers. You hit them in their hats as Insurance Policy Owners through all these insurance scams his brother was involved in. Then there was, of course, Jeb's International Medical Corporation. Jeb also liked health care scams. But that was the idea the Bushes had, that you take the American taxpayer (which they called "One Fodder Unit," or OFU) and you hit them in every single hat they wear.

I don't know where the term came from, but "One Fodder Unit" became a popular term on the Republican cocktail party circuit in 1985. According to them, each individual American citizen equals One Fodder Unit.

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:56 PM

28. Points!

Thanks for name-checking Al Martin. I gorged on his rants in equal parts with Bartcop back in the day.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:12 PM

26. Wait!!!!

I'm not dead yet.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 12:54 PM

7. K&R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:10 PM

9. My dad had to take an ambulance ride to the largest hospital in town yesterday evening

I live in Montreal. I pay a metric crapton of taxes for healthcare. WORTH EVERY PENNY.

Dad was in so much pain yesterday that mom freaked out and called an ambulance. Cost of the ride: free.

He had to wait in the emergency room for quite a while because triage, but he was checked on by nurses a couple of times an hour and they were always told their place in line. Once the doctors saw him, they gave him every test in creation - he was recently declared free of prostate cancer, so they had good reason to give him all the blood tests and all the scans just in case. Cost for the tests: free. Mom says it would have cost at least $100,000 in the U.S.

They found out he has three eroded vertebrae and a fractured tailbone. He just turned 88, so it's not super surprising, but the symptoms appeared all at once, and he was doing okay with OTC pain meds until a couple of days ago.

He's home resting comfortably, and the pharmacy will be delivering his prescriptions shortly. Not sure how much that was, I didn't ask mom because she's already stressed out as it is, but they'll be able to deduct the (subsidized) cost from their taxes.

And that's just a minor example.

I lived in the U.S. for almost 30 years, and I was lucky I pretty much always had insurance through work and hardly ever needed to use it. I wouldn't move back now that I'm getting a little older and a little slower. It's unimaginable.

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Response to kedrys (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:38 PM

21. As an immigrant to Canada, it took me a while to get used to how healthcare works here.

Yeah, I might have to wait a bit to see a doctor, particularly a specialist, but no one's gonna let me bleed out on the floor or anything. If I need surgery, I needn't stress about how I'm going to afford it. I don't mind a bit paying more in taxes to support such a system. It ain't perfect, but it's a damn sight better than the shit-show in the States.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 01:46 PM

10. and if you are middle class you are bankrupt

Nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:07 PM

11. Real Americans are invincible and never get sick!

So if you have to go to a doctor, it's your own fault for not living a virtuous enough life. You're going to die penniless, and it's no better than you deserve.

In the rest of the world, grown-ups are in charge, and recognize that accidents, illnesses, and diseases can strike anyone at anytime, and they have tailored their system to take care of their citizens when something unfortunate happens to them. If nothing unfortunate ever happens to a particular person, they don't begrudge others who had to use the system. That's not how Americans - real Americans - roll.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:09 PM

12. K; R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:11 PM

13. And, if you are middle class, you often become poor.

I hope this wakes up the Brits, at least. They have a chance to save themselves.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:13 PM

14. Unfortunately they are right. My step mother had a cancer

and went in for treatment, mind you she has Medicare and secondary insurance, they needed an additional $3000.00 to treat her, luckily she had the money. I knew in that moment if it were me, I would die.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:12 PM

18. And, even if you DO have "insurance " --

You pay monthly premiums and still canít afford to see a doctor or canít afford medicine because the co-pays are so high. So you let things go that sometimes snowball into something life altering.

I imagine the rest of the world thinks we are crazy here. And I wouldnít argue.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:30 PM

15. I had nearly this exact conversation the other day

with a British friend of mine. He was flabbergasted that I have insurance through my work- super expensive- and I STILL have to pay bills and co-pays and such.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:38 PM

16. Well yeah but

if you're an insurance executive or a hospital chain administrator you might become a trillionaire on the backs of all those overweight sick people! A trillionaire!!!!! Wow!!!!!!!!



(I'm guessing this is the kind of thing Nigel and Boris and their fellow Brexiteers have had their eye on all along.)

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Response to moondust (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:26 PM

20. Not everyone who has chronic illness is overweight.

I really hope you never know what it is like to have something you have done nothing to cause.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:41 PM

22. Obviously.

But more chronic weight problems leading to more chronic medical problems has been an observable trend for decades, one that should have prompted government officials to do what's necessary to make health care more affordable and available rather than more profitable for a few.

Bye, Felicia.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:47 PM

17. And yet, Tories keep winning

Apparently, no one -- anywhere -- ever learns.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:26 PM

19. We have the big lie that private sector is more efficient

when really there are middlemen in all levels of the system who add little to no value, each one getting some juicy profits and benefit from keeping prices high.

"For real?" one asks. "Why?" asks another.


These people are asking the right questions. More Americans should ask these questions until we start getting answers. If the free market encourages competition to benefit consumers then more companies would sell inhalers and insulin while competing on price and quality.

The UK charges about 9 pounds or about $12 for most prescription drugs because those damn socialists are trying to kill their people with death panels. Next we'll see jolly old Britain roll tanks down the street like in Venezuela. Rationing is coming to kill you.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:57 PM

23. Basically yes. See, the poor can't have healthcare because some people like their insurance

that they pay for. Because of the "I'm not paying more taxes, and I got mine so keep your fucking hands off it off attitude" yes the poor do without healthcare and medicines. Fight the bastards to keep what you have,

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:04 PM

24. I have a friend who's been in and out of the hospital for alcohol abuse.

And his family won't ever sign up for Obamacare because, well, it's Obamacare. And they've been told to hate it because all they know is the conservative smear machine. Which they're only hurting themselves because he'll never get the proper medical tests he needs to determine the long term damage he's done or medication because of it. Conservatives are only digging that hole further.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:06 PM

25. yeah, but our insurance companies have the fanciest skyscrapers

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:15 PM

27. You bet!

And isn't it our duty, collectively, to assure them of very nice, lush and lavish things? Somebody should have them.

I mean, do unto others. The insurance companies have been chosen to not even ask in order to receive, and why should my pesky health be impede their success? This is a capitalist country and so, we can die for it.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:13 PM

30. it is the natural order of things ...

The purpose of wealthcare is to extract as much as possible from the 99% before they die, and transfer it to the 1%. Universal healthcare would interfere with this. So sayeth the GOP.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:02 PM

29. So true!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:35 PM

31. I love the way the young woman wrapped that up - "Fuck Trump!"

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