HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » It's truly disgusting tha...

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:00 AM

It's truly disgusting that Zelensky is worshipping at the altar of Trump Toad

And it makes no sense, as any idiot would know that Congress would keep his military funding intact especially and, indeed in light of, this huge scandal. Also, Zelensky could have forced Toad's resignation if he had told the unvarnished truth at that UN presser in September. Toad being upset would not have mattered in the least. Always thought that he was a toad/Putin loving MAGAT. His behaviour and his government's behaviour since Toad was busted has been nothing short of disgusting and vomit inducing. He is clearly a Putin crony just like the WH Toad. I wonder if he has a fascist ideology as well. He fits right in with his KGOP Comrades. He seems to relish covering up for Toad just like them.

31 replies, 1824 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 31 replies Author Time Post
Reply It's truly disgusting that Zelensky is worshipping at the altar of Trump Toad (Original post)
NewsCenter28 Dec 3 OP
RDANGELO Dec 3 #1
NewsCenter28 Dec 3 #2
Hortensis Dec 3 #23
DeminPennswoods Dec 3 #7
tirebiter Dec 3 #3
NanceGreggs Dec 3 #4
2naSalit Dec 3 #15
lagomorph777 Dec 3 #20
Kingofalldems Dec 3 #21
Hortensis Dec 3 #25
mahina Dec 3 #26
democratisphere Dec 3 #5
Hekate Dec 3 #6
duforsure Dec 3 #8
hlthe2b Dec 3 #10
duforsure Dec 3 #13
hlthe2b Dec 3 #14
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 3 #9
hlthe2b Dec 3 #11
Wounded Bear Dec 3 #12
2naSalit Dec 3 #16
Hekate Dec 3 #19
spanone Dec 3 #17
Demonaut Dec 3 #18
Kingofalldems Dec 3 #22
tenderfoot Dec 3 #24
atreides1 Dec 3 #27
SuprstitionAintthWay Dec 3 #31
H2O Man Dec 3 #28
dewsgirl Dec 3 #29
SuprstitionAintthWay Dec 3 #30

Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:09 AM

1. He is in a really tough position.

His country is in a survival war with Russia, and Trump is still President of the United States. If he pisses off Trump, he can still make him pay for it. He can't admit to his people that he was going to accept a bribe. That is what he was being forced to do to save his own country if the whistle blower hadn't come forward.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RDANGELO (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:19 AM

2. Congress and Speaker Pelosi, even Leader McConnell

Would protect him in light of this. He has no reason to fear Trump post-WB. Pre-WB, well yeah absolutely! He must align with Toad ideologically.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:36 PM

23. What history does not emphatically contradict your oddly

directed "disgust" and accusations?

I think you're being extremely unjustified and inappropriately insulting to Zelensky, who must protect his nation. The only people who would agree in view of the facts we have available are Russian assets.

More, what on earth is behind imagining that McConnell and Pelosi would take the same tack toward Trump/Russia if Trump betrayed his nation and ally once again? They haven't before.

McConnell's actions are serving Russia's ambitions and betraying both our ally Ukraine's and our own security interests.

In contrast, ALL of Pelosi's statements and actions promise to make the fears of Russia's criminal oligarchs that they vastly overreached in attacking us come true. I can't wait for that day. None of them want to spend their lives forced to keep their assets and themselves in backwards, pissant Russia.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to RDANGELO (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:55 AM

7. Exactly

Zelensky is in an impossible position. He has to look strong to his own people plus to negotiate with Putin. Yet, he needs to deal with the mecurial Trump, too.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:33 AM

3. On what are you basing this?

L got that he was telling Trump to fuck off for not being a reliable ally. Got something to post to explain?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:52 AM

4. When people acting as representatives ...

… of the POTUS (and, as such, the US gov’t writ large), and they make it clear that ‘this is the way things are always done’, why would you ‘know that Congress would keep your military funding intact’?

Why would you trust anyone to have your back, when you’ve been shown that ‘you wash our back, we’ll wash yours’ is how things work?

You’ve just been elected, your nation is at war with Russia, and your fellow citizens are dying. You are desperate to have US support. Do you really want to jeopardize your country’s survival by pissing-off the man who withheld that support once – and would do it again? Do you really want to take the chance that ‘Trump would resign’ if you spoke up – or that he’d just bullshit his way through it (as usual), get away with yet another crime (as usual) – and then be re-elected, giving him the power to kick your country’s ass even harder as a result of having spoken against him?

Why would Zelensky believe that Pelosi – or McConnell, for fuck’s sake! – would protect him? Why would he not think that all US politicians, regardless of party, might be just as entangled in corruption as the Trump administration?

To put it bluntly, your whole OP smacks of promoting anti-Zelensky bullshit. I’m not saying it’s intentional, but it sure comes off that way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:10 AM

15. ++++++++++++++++++!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:15 PM

20. +1 Hello, we KNOW he's being extorted, and we KNOW that only ONE house of Congress

will protect him. Lined up against Zelenskyy:
Putin
Trump
All of Trump's cabinet and the State Department
The Senate
SCROTUS


On Zelenskyy's side:
The House of Representatives.


What would you do with those odds?

Oh, right, we face the same odds. Not comforting.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #4)


Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:06 PM

25. Agree with that last. Zelensky knows Pelosi can't "protect"

Ukraine when the Republicans control the senate and WH. If we could have, we would have stopped Trump and forced McConnell to do his duty immediately. Zelensky's also not stupid, and whatever he needs explained to him about us is why heads of state are surrounded by very impressive advisers.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:14 PM

26. Agreed

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:03 AM

5. drumpf has horrendously abused the power of his office.

Zelensky may not know whether he is going to have support or NOT have support from the US going forward. Russia continues to encroach on the Ukraine's borders. Until drumpf et al is removed from office, there will be only further uncertainty as to US support for the Ukraine. Zelensky only cares about savings the Ukraine from a Russian takeover and likely will say and do whatever is necessary to maintain US support.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:17 AM

6. I pity the man. Trump is the disgusting one, breaking America's solemn assurances at every turn.

What is President Zelensky to do? He's trying to save his country and his people from the might of Russia. Putin has every intention of reconstituting the former USSR's might as an empire, and Crimea is but the beginning.

America -- that is, previous to Trump -- promised aid to a struggling young democracy. Our Congress has the power of the purse, not our President -- yet Trump overruled Congress' appropriations and broke America's word.

Protecting Ukraine protects the EU and in turn protects America.

So President Z is in desperate straits. His choice is to lose his entire country to Putin or to kiss Trump's orange butt -- and by this time knows Trump could still betray him.

Like I said, I pity the man.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:30 AM

8. He's compromised

Again he has to say whatever they want that won't offend trump, or face even worse retaliation from him, or from putin.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to duforsure (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:47 AM

10. "compromised" implies he did something wrong for which Trump can hold over him.

There is no evidence of that. He is totally dependent on the US & to a lesser extent Europe, for survival.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to hlthe2b (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 07:17 AM

13. Both trump and putin will do the same things

Claiming he is corrupt , and use it to get people against him, with or without facts as we've seen both trump and putin do to others. They'll both manufacture false things to use against him, and he is well aware of that. Trump can manipulate things to further weaken Ukraine, and their defenses for putin to use.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to duforsure (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 07:18 AM

14. Yet you are supporting an OP that claims Zalensky is a "Putin crony"???

WTF? This is about the most ill-informed original posting on DU I have seen in months.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:44 AM

9. Another damn context free OP that contradicts other context full OPs on DU.


What are you basing this on? Further, Zelensky is stuck between an orange rock and a hard place full of bears. He is a victim of an organized crime mob squeeze. He is still being squeezed.

Your OP is contradicted by multiple OPs yesterday THAT INCLUDED CONTEXT.

Why don't you back up your inflammatory assertions with context?????? You think everybody sees what you see? Thinks what you think?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212744313 had 104 Recs.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:48 AM

11. +1 (an unbelievably uninformed OP accusing Zalensky of being a "Putin crony"?????

Geebus.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 07:10 AM

12. Sniff, sniff...I smell...

troll shit.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:12 AM

16. +1

Smells like propaganda.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:09 PM

19. Indeed

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:14 AM

17. trump is still 'president' and can still screw with him. And he will.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:14 AM

18. he's not and he has a nation to look after

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:16 PM

22. Not a good try there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:56 PM

24. LOL

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:15 PM

27. Guess what?

No matter what Zelensky does, what he says, whose ass he decides to kiss, in the end it won't matter!!! Putin wants Ukraine back in the Russian fold...and he'll get exactly what he wants!!!

It's just a matter of time before Trump and the Republicans give in to Putin...and then it won't matter what Zelensky tried to do for his people...because he'll be shipped off to Siberia and Yushchenko will be installed as President of Ukraine...because that's what Putin desires and Trump is more then willing to present it to him!!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to atreides1 (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:29 PM

31. I keep expecting Putin to just take the western shore of the Azur Sea

to have an easy land route to Crimea, as well as make the Sea just another Russian lake.

He's all set up to do it. He's taken military control of the mouth of the Azur Sea into the Black Sea. His mercenary army in Donesk would protect the west flank of such a move. And he can use his "some russophones live there" pretense there, too. (An excuse Spain could use to invade Mexico, or France Quebec, or England America.)

Fear of more sanctions must be the only thing stopping him.

I'm sure he's very unhappy about his Oval Office stooge's failure to lift the Obama sanctions, other than those Moscow Mitch got lifted.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:15 PM

28. Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:19 PM

29. He has NO CHOICE!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to NewsCenter28 (Original post)

Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:07 PM

30. Ukraine will need another $400M in help in Summer 2020, too.

It's an existential need. Without it Ukraine may well become a client state of Moscow, again. Be forced to turn away from Western style liberal democracy and revert to the Belarus-style Russian-satellite autocracy Putin is trying to re-impose in Ukraine.

With those stakes, would you gamble that Trump isn't going to still be control of the needed aid 9 months from now?

Zelensky can't. He has to continue to kiss our Mobster-In-Chief's ring, for now.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread