Mon Dec 2, 2019, 07:17 PM
ffr (15,838 posts)
Trump's attacks on public servants undermine the Constitution--and his own office.President Trump has raised the stakes in the impeachment drama by questioning the integrity and motives of civil servants who have chosen to testify at the congressional hearings.
<snip> Public servants are not mere bureaucrats who only slow things down. They are a positive good. They do not comprise a “deep state” opposed to the government but in fact are doing the work of the government. Their expertise is not always highly regarded in a political system that attributes special value to outsiders, but it is vital to the functioning of our government. Unfortunately, career civil servants, who could generally demand much higher compensation in the private sector, are never more appreciated than when they are gone, replaced by those with more ideological fervor than practical knowledge. Mr. Trump, who places a high value on personal loyalty, appears to believe that any member of the executive branch testifying in the impeachment inquiry has thereby betrayed his trust. But Mr. Trump himself has laid the groundwork for this rupture, forcing nonpartisan professionals into an impossible choice between keeping faith with what they perceive to be the self-interested use of his office or fulfilling their duty to the Constitution, the Congress and the American people. A president deserves to employ trustworthy executive branch officials—but such trust is owed to the president as the chief executive, not to the president personally, and it relies on an even greater trust, that which the American people place in the president to faithfully discharge his constitutional duties. - American - The Jesuit Review Blam! Enough people will read this to sway many to see it as it should be seen, the president has turned the WH into his personal business shop, instead of the office of the president.
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Blue_true | Dec 2 | #1 | |
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riversedge | Dec 3 | #5 | |
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onecaliberal | Dec 2 | #4 |
Response to ffr (Original post)
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 07:23 PM
Blue_true (18,929 posts)
1. The problem is a solid 25-35% of Americans are perfectly
ok with Trump violating any law and any constitutional norm. For a long time, those people have viewed the federal government as the enemy. That view went on steroids with the passage of the Civil Rights Act and Wonen's Rights laws and the federal government enforcing those laws.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #1)
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 07:31 PM
ffr (15,838 posts)
2. Not really. They've always been there. It's our job to move forward with upholding the law
When they are represented by the minority that they are, instead of the majority as now, they will go mostly silent again.
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Response to ffr (Reply #2)
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 07:48 PM
Blue_true (18,929 posts)
3. We can't let infighting sidetrack pieces of our voting block, like in 2016.
People on our side need to realize that there IS such a thing as a lesser evil (as if a choice of voting for a democrat can be remotely defined as that).
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #1)
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 08:40 AM
riversedge (52,824 posts)
5. I would say that "solid" is about 40%. dangerous to America!
Response to riversedge (Reply #5)
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:12 PM
Blue_true (18,929 posts)
6. I really don't think it is that high.
30% max, with some people on the fence but can be convinced by our arguments. I really believe that Trump has a solid grip on White evangelicals, but those people have been in loony-land for several decades. He has racist Whites too. But my argument is the collection is no larger than 25-30%. There is another up to 18% who are what I call fencesitters, they like a lot of things that republicans claim but they are not racists or virulently religious, we can attract a lot of that group with sane, well thoughtout policy proposals.
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Response to ffr (Original post)
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:37 PM
onecaliberal (14,633 posts)