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Mon Dec 2, 2019, 08:38 AM

Zelensky: "We're at war. If you're our strategic partner, then you can't go blocking anything for us

This is an important comment from Zelensky who is in an untenable spot.

This is quite a shot at Trump from Zelensky: “We’re at war. If you’re our strategic partner, then you can’t go blocking anything for us. I think that’s just about fairness.”





'I Don’t Trust Anyone at All.' Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky Speaks Out on Trump, Putin, and a Divided Europe


If you read the full Time Magazine piece, he's clearly still trying to walk the tightrope, but I still find this shot at Trump to be meaningful.

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Reply Zelensky: "We're at war. If you're our strategic partner, then you can't go blocking anything for us (Original post)
hlthe2b Dec 2 OP
Farmer-Rick Dec 2 #1
hlthe2b Dec 2 #2
PWPippinesq Dec 2 #3
hlthe2b Dec 2 #4
True Blue American Dec 2 #13
True Blue American Dec 2 #11
hlthe2b Dec 2 #14
IcyPeas Dec 2 #20
liberalla Dec 2 #5
dewsgirl Dec 2 #6
magicarpet Dec 2 #7
ffr Dec 2 #8
The_Counsel Dec 2 #9
malaise Dec 2 #10
hlthe2b Dec 2 #12
H2O Man Dec 2 #16
malaise Dec 2 #17
H2O Man Dec 2 #18
malaise Dec 2 #19
H2O Man Dec 2 #21
H2O Man Dec 2 #15
hlthe2b Dec 2 #22
MasonDreams Dec 2 #23

Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 08:42 AM

1. How did the Ukraine get such an intelligent president when we have such a stupid one?

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 08:54 AM

2. Everyone makes much about him as a comedian, but ...

some of our most intelligent and broadly knowledgable "pundits" are current or former (late) comedians. Jon Stewart for one. John Oliver, Lewis Black, Stephen Fry, George Carlin, Chris Rock, Patton Oswalt, Robin Williams, Stephen Colbert. Bill Maher (though some of his views make me crazy) is another. Even Jerry Seinfeld.

When one looks at the majority of those serving in House and Senate, they are hands down far more credible. And I won't even bring in the Presidency.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:03 AM

3. And, Al Franken.

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Response to PWPippinesq (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:04 AM

4. Yes, absolutely. Sorry, Al. I can't believe I left you out!

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Response to PWPippinesq (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:34 AM

13. Al is not just smart,

He is brilliant! The reason they had to bring him down. Good old Roger Stone.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:32 AM

11. Any one of those Comedians

You named would have the intelligence and good old common sense to be a good President. They would know how to delegate, promote those they see special talent in.

Look what Jon Stewart did for Stephen Colbert! Gave him his own show. They all have the self confidence that is needed.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:40 AM

14. Oops: I didn't intenionally leave out the women. Here:

Amy Poehler, Tina Fey, Janeane Garafolo, Sarah Silverman, Wanda Sykes, Leslie Jones... and undoubtedly many others...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:16 PM

20. "many a truth is told in jest"....

or something like that. I think it was that Shakespeare guy who said it.

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:06 AM

5. Very meaningful. I think this man is smart and brave, and

unfortunately for trump, not corrupt. Ukraine finally has the leader they need. I hope he stays healthy and strong.

On the bus, will read full article later...

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:41 AM

6. And do you know how Trump comprehended this?

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:46 AM

7. An awkward and precarious tightrope for Zelensky indeed....

..... look at how trDump crushes people who say anything against him. Rather than reflect upon and second guess the situation and improve upon his approach, trDump immediately and relentlessly lashes out and seeks to crush anyone who is the slightest bit critical.

This is a very egotistical man driven vindictiveness and revenge.

Look at at his trail of discarded bodies and crushed souls,

Comy,
McAbe,
Strzok,
Page,
Brennan,
Tillerman,
Sessions,
McCain,
Vindman,
Recent Navy Seal fiasco,
Etc. Etc. Etc....

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:58 AM

8. He's laid the groundwork for the dems to go after the 'go along' rePuticans

Lines that will be burned into historical record forever: tRump's WH cannot be trusted.

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:26 AM

9. Zelensky: "I Don't Trust Anyone at All."

Nor should he. It's a crazy world we live in.

This is why "blow it all up" was such a bad electoral strategy for us in 2016.

This is also why we must choose carefully in 2020 and--FINALLY--get someone in the White House that knows what the hell s/he's doing....

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:27 AM

10. The Con just lied about this

I'm shocked I tell you

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Response to malaise (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:33 AM

12. But of course.

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Response to malaise (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 11:23 AM

16. It's as if

the sun came up in the west!!!!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:06 PM

17. Hehehehe

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:20 PM

18. How is it going?

Lots of snow here. I'm about to go out and try to shovel part of the driveway. Odd how my driveway gets way longer in the winter months ......

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:04 PM

19. It's gorgeous here

The drought is over - and our walking track is lovely again - full of trees, flowers, birds, fresh smells and a very pleasant temperature.

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Response to malaise (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:18 PM

21. I had the end

of the driveway done, since the snow is heaviest there from the plowing of the road. Seconds later, another plow went by, re-filling what I had accomplished. Yikes!

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 11:22 AM

15. Recommended.

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 03:44 PM

22. On Trump's mischaracterization of Zelensky's comments:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/02/ukrainian-president-zelensky-grievances-trump-074755


Trump, in a tweet Monday mischaracterized Zelensky’s comments, hailing the interview as an exoneration, and declaring inaccurately that Zelensky had “just again announced that President Trump has done nothing wrong with respect to Ukraine and our interactions or calls.”

Speaking to reporters at the White House, Trump doubled down on his assertion that Zelensky's remarks had exonerated him, declaring that the interview should mean that it's “case over” for impeachment as he claimed Zelensky said Trump “did absolutely nothing wrong.”
But while Zelensky has emphasized Kyiv’s independence throughout the inquiry, the Ukrainian president opened up during the weekend interview about the importance of U.S. support more generally.

“I would never want Ukraine to be a piece on the map, on the chess board of big global players, so that someone could toss us around, use us as cover, as part of some bargain,” he said, though he expressed gratitude for the support Kyiv had received thus far. “I would really want — and we feel this, it’s true — for them to help us, to understand us, to see that we are a player in our own right, that they cannot make deals about us with anyone behind our backs.”

Moreover, he argued, support from the U.S. on the world stage was hugely important, and he complained that criticisms that Ukraine is corrupt, as Trump routinely has, can have detrimental effects.

“The United States of America is a signal, for the world, for everyone. When America says, for instance, that Ukraine is a corrupt country, that is the hardest of signals,” he said.

Ukraine is not alone in having corrupt actors in its government, he argued, though he still added he would not stop his efforts to get the U.S., “with all they can do for us, for them really to understand that we are a different country, that we are different people.”

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Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 08:18 PM

23. Zelensky should maybe help us understand.

"Hey USA !! WTF !! If I don't help trump now our People die, if I do help your little shitler, at the expense of your next guy, Our People die (in one year) 'cause I betrayed your new leader !!"

"This is how you treat your friends?
Have you any decency?"
"Don't you guys have laws against extortion?
Or have you just announced to the world
Your country in now controlled by
The Russian Mob?"

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