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Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:38 AM

Question for every American

Why is it OK for the US and other dominant Western powers to foment dissent in other countries but not OK for Russia or other countries to do the same to the US?

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Reply Question for every American (Original post)
malaise Nov 2019 OP
dewsgirl Nov 2019 #1
mahina Nov 2019 #2
safeinOhio Nov 2019 #3
BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #4
safeinOhio Nov 2019 #5
BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #8
safeinOhio Nov 2019 #9
BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #10
malaise Nov 2019 #12
malaise Nov 2019 #14
Maribelle Nov 2019 #6
ret5hd Nov 2019 #7
malaise Nov 2019 #15
ret5hd Nov 2019 #16
malaise Nov 2019 #17
doc03 Nov 2019 #11
malaise Nov 2019 #13
7wo7rees Nov 2019 #18
Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #19
malaise Nov 2019 #20
treestar Nov 2019 #21
malaise Nov 2019 #22
lunatica Nov 2019 #23
malaise Nov 2019 #24
ck4829 Dec 2019 #25
lark Dec 2019 #26
Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #27
brush Dec 2019 #28
Mc Mike Dec 2019 #29
IcyPeas Dec 2019 #30

Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:57 AM

1. I'm sure you noticed we are a huge bunch of hypocrites

here in the US.😉

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:10 AM

2. It's not ok for the US to do so.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:18 AM

3. Might make Right, until

the Mouse roars.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:18 AM

4. Freedom, democracy & self-determination are good.

 

Tyranny, totalitarianism, imperialism are bad.


Russia interfering & subverting our elections here is not the same as the US supporting the opposition to Russia in Ukraine, for example.

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:21 AM

5. But just fine in Central America?

The U.S. has been supporting Tyranny, totalitarianism and imperialism there for years.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:42 AM

8. I didn't know United Fruit Co was still running US foreign policy.

 

Well, no. That pretty much ended 70 yrs ago.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:06 AM

10. You do realize that many of these current problems stem for the US *NOT* getting involved

 

in those countries domestic political situations, at the same time sending the drug dealers, gang members & murderes back to their home countries rather than dealing with them here?

Certainly not a perfect situation - but not the same as interfering directly in a foreign election.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:12 AM

12. I love the imperialism thrown in there

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:16 AM

14. Apparently you forgot the US celebrations when the Soviet Union collapsed

I know which system I prefer but sovereign nations can decide their own policies without outsideinterference. Every Western policy is about capitalism not freedom. You must be joking when you mention self- determination.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:31 AM

6. Motivation is the key.

Does a power want to advance democracy or cause chaos?

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Response to Maribelle (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:35 AM

7. In our case, usually to advance corporate powers.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:19 AM

15. Usually?

Ha - everyone should read John Perkins Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Money_and_Economics/confessions_of_an_economic_hitman.pdf

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Response to malaise (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:31 PM

16. Yeah, I know. But I hate coming off as an absolutist...

even if I sometimes am.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:43 PM

17. LOL

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:46 AM

11. Take war crimes, the US charges other countries

with comitting war crimes. But a large portion of people in the US support a president that fires our military for prosecuting our war criminals.


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Response to doc03 (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:14 AM

13. I just heard one of the hacks on M$NBComcast saying

what some call war crimes in relation to the Con's recent pardon.
It's like nothing has meaning these days

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:39 PM

18. We ask this question every day, Malaise, every day!

It boggles the mind.......

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:00 PM

19. Rich people who run US want their stuff.

“Money trumps peace.” — George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007

“War is a racket.” — Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler, USMC (ret.)

“Grab all you can, anytime you can.” — Howard Keel, as Levi Walking Bear

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:08 PM

20. It's not just the US

The Brits have been a big part of this mess and there are others

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:17 PM

21. It was not ok for the US to do it

I never approved that.

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Response to treestar (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:18 PM

22. Was?

It is still going on

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:20 PM

23. The US is responsible for keeping all the countries to the south of us

In the economic situation they’re in. The manipulation is criminal, and has gone on for many generations.

You can trace all the problems they’re having, including Trump’s caging children to the US interference in all the countries.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:24 PM

24. No doubt but don't give the colonial powers a pass

Both the US and Britain fugged up Guyana.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 08:26 AM

25. It should be OK, and it should be mutual

Are we creating an equivalent level of dissent in Russia? We should be.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 09:00 AM

26. Neither are ok.

Our actions in Venezuela are despicable.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:04 AM

27. Both are wrong.

But I might support US interference if they really did support democracy. But they only push capitalism.

And capitalism functions smoother with totalitarianism. Democracy is the opposite of capitalism.

But it doesn't make shorty Putin's Russian mob involvement in distorting our elections any less atrocious. There are other, more democratic ways to address the US pushing capitalism. But Putin is a mobster and knows no other way.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:40 PM

28. Realpolitiks, whatever they can get away with, but traitors in the WH helping No.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:52 PM

29. Rec, but caveated.

IMO, Poppy knocked out Gorby, with the connivance of Putin, and installed a clownish drunk buffoon, Yeltsin. He did a ton of damage to the 'Federation'. Now it's tit for tat. But me and you didn't want that to happen to Russia in the first place. Poppy and Putin did.

And I always hated and spoke against Poppy's gang interfering in other nations' elections and govs. "We" put Hussein in, then "we" had to take him out, put Noriega in, then had to take him out, put Mobutu in, the Taliban in, had to take them out. Aidid in Somalia, Constant in Haiti, Hekmatyar in Afghanistan, etc. I never wanted us to put those swine in, 'we' put them in anyhow. Then 'we' had to go fight against them.

We should never have put Batista or the Shah or Pinochet in, someone else took them out. If anyone on our rightwing's side wants to complain about the personnel change, I can't back the people who took over, but just want to tell our complaining righties, 'shut the fuck up, we should never have been there anyway. You don't like how it turned out, huh? Shut up.'

Pretty much 'regime change' and election theft and propaganda psy ops against sovereign nations are coming from the far right here, it isn't us.

In some ways, the chickens are coming home to roost, because we didn't or couldn't stop our creeps from pulling this crap all over the world, and the blowback is hitting us domestically now. But some of us always were against and spoke out against that swine 'super rich and powerful wasp nazi' crap that was being pulled using our gov apparatus and power.


Most of us aren't in charge, and opposed the bad guys in charge. Incompletely and ineffectively, which is now affecting us. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, so the foreign policy injustice we failed to prevent is now a domestic policy injustice for us.

Even if Carter and Clinton and Obama pulled stuff abroad I opposed, the world at large is far better off when we're in charge than it is when the repugs take over.

The real problem is the nazi backing repugs from the '30's, and Nixon Raygun Poppy li'l bush and Rump.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:27 PM

30. why do we have 600 military bases around the world?

we are in every continent except Antarctica

The United States is the largest operator of military bases abroad, with 38 "named bases"[note 1] having active-duty, National Guard, reserve, or civilian personnel as of September 30, 2014. Its largest, in terms of personnel, is Ramstein AB, in Germany, with almost 9,200 personnel.[1][note 2] The Pentagon stated in 2013 that there are "around" 5,000 bases total, with "around" 600 of them overseas.[2] Between October 2015 and October 2017, the US fought terror in 76 countries.[3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

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