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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 08:31 AM Sep 2012

No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under [Obama's] administration.

ENDING TORTURE = Three Torches
  • Ordered an end to the use of torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment, withdrew
    flawed legal analysis used to justify torture and applied the Army Field Manual on interrogations
    government wide.
  • Abolished the CIA secret prisons.
  • Says that “waterboarding is torture” and “contrary to America’s traditions… contrary to our ideals.”
  • No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under his administration.
  • Failed to hold those responsible for past torture and other cruelty accountable; has blocked
    alleged victims of torture from having their day in court.
http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/ALWCandidateReportCard.pdf


The Democratic Platform specifically address civil rights and civil liberties. People are outraged that it doesn't read exactly like the 2008 platform. This document is more comprehensive and reflective of the administration's record.
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No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under [Obama's] administration. (Original Post) ProSense Sep 2012 OP
Kick! n/t ProSense Sep 2012 #1
What a big difference one man makes madokie Sep 2012 #2
Yes. ProSense Sep 2012 #3
What do they call Bradlely Manning's treatment? ananda Sep 2012 #4
"They" being the ACLU? ProSense Sep 2012 #5
And what about Guantanomo? Bonobo Sep 2012 #8
Boy, you really should do a google search more often, MadHound Sep 2012 #6
Yeah, those ACLU morans, huh? Robb Sep 2012 #7
Another incident for you, MadHound Sep 2012 #9
I guess, strictly speaking, extra legal assassination is not torture. Bonobo Sep 2012 #10
"Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric " ProSense Sep 2012 #12
A radical Muslim cleric is now, by definition, the same as "terrorist"? Bonobo Sep 2012 #13
My bad, I should have ProSense Sep 2012 #14
What nonsense ProSense Sep 2012 #11

madokie

(51,076 posts)
2. What a big difference one man makes
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 08:45 AM
Sep 2012

Thank you President Obama,
Oh and you too Joe Biden, thank you both.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. "They" being the ACLU?
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:00 AM
Sep 2012

Not only does that have nothing to do with the administration's policy, but also do you think Bradley Manning is being treated any differently from other U.S. prisoners, past and present?


Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
8. And what about Guantanomo?
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:10 AM
Sep 2012
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368

1. “Asymmetrical Warfare”
When President Barack Obama took office last year, he promised to “restore the standards of due process and the core constitutional values that have made this country great.” Toward that end, the president issued an executive order declaring that the extra-constitutional prison camp at Guantánamo Naval Base “shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than one year from the date of this order.” Obama has failed to fulfill his promise. Some prisoners there are being charged with crimes, others released, but the date for closing the camp seems to recede steadily into the future. Furthermore, new evidence now emerging may entangle Obama’s young administration with crimes that occurred during the George W. Bush presidency, evidence that suggests the current administration failed to investigate seriously—and may even have continued—a cover-up of the possible homicides of three prisoners at Guantánamo in 2006.

The Justice Department thus faced a dilemma; it could do the politically convenient thing, which was to find no justification for a thorough investigation, leave the NCIS conclusions in place, and hope that the public and the news media would obey the Obama Administration’s dictum to “look forward, not backward”; or it could pursue a course of action that would implicate the Bush Justice Department in a cover-up of possible homicides.

Nearly 200 men remain imprisoned at Guantánamo. In June 2009, six months after Barack Obama took office, one of them, a thirty-one-year-old Yemeni named Muhammed Abdallah Salih, was found dead in his cell. The exact circumstances of his death, like those of the deaths of the three men from Alpha Block, remain uncertain. Those charged with accounting for what happened—the prison command, the civilian and military investigative agencies, the Justice Department, and ultimately the attorney general himself—all face a choice between the rule of law and the expedience of political silence. Thus far, their choice has been unanimous.

Not everyone who is involved in this matter views it from a political perspective, of course. General Al-Zahrani grieves for his son, but at the end of a lengthy interview he paused and his thoughts turned elsewhere. “The truth is what matters,” he said. “They practiced every form of torture on my son and on many others as well. What was the result? What facts did they find? They found nothing. They learned nothing. They accomplished nothing.”

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
10. I guess, strictly speaking, extra legal assassination is not torture.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:19 AM
Sep 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/18/us-citizens-drone-strike-deaths

[h1]Families of US citizens killed in drone strike file wrongful death lawsuit[/h1]
Yemen strike against "kill list" member Anwar al-Awlaki also killed his teenage son and an alleged al-Qaida propagandist



The killing of three US citizens, one a 16-year-old boy, in targeted drone strikes last year were unlawful and violated their constitutional rights by not affording them due process, according to a lawsuit filed by their relatives on Wednesday.

Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric who was placed on a CIA "kill list" last year, died in a targeted strike in Yemen on 30 September that also killed Samir Khan, an alleged propagandist for al-Qaida, in the Arabian Pensinsula. Al-Awlaki's teenage son, Abdulrahman, was killed in a separate strike 200 miles away in which six others died two weeks later.

The lawsuit accuses Leon Panetta, the secretary of defence, David Petraeus, the director of the CIA, and two military commanders of authorising and directing unlawful killings. President Barack Obama is not named in the lawsuit: presidents are immune from civil suits arising from their official actions.

The complaint alleges that the deaths are part of a broader programme of deliberate and premeditated killings by the United States, which rely on "vague legal standards, a closed executive process and evidence never presented to the courts".

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
12. "Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric "
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:23 AM
Sep 2012

Shocking!

Civilian casualties, as horrific as they are, sometimes occur when terrorists are targeted.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
13. A radical Muslim cleric is now, by definition, the same as "terrorist"?
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:33 AM
Sep 2012

Assuming that he was, in fact, even that...

Does "terrorist" even MEAN anything anymore?

Why were no charges brought against him?

What about his son? Was the Denver teenager also a terrorist?

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending what you KNOW you would condemn if it was done by a Republican.

Shame, shame, shame.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. My bad, I should have
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:58 AM
Sep 2012
Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric who was placed on a CIA "kill list" last year, died in a targeted strike in Yemen on 30 September that also killed Samir Khan, an alleged propagandist for al-Qaida, in the Arabian Pensinsula. Al-Awlaki's teenage son, Abdulrahman, was killed in a separate strike 200 miles away in which six others died two weeks later.

...included the entire paragraph.

And, no

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending what you KNOW you would condemn if it was done by a Republican.

Shame, shame, shame.

I will not be "ashamed" of countering anti-Obama spin. I mean, the DNC begins and this is the best anyone wanting to distract from it can do?

You should be ashamed, and the agenda is fucking clear.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. What nonsense
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:21 AM
Sep 2012

"Now we're doing torture by proxy of American citizens."

Now rampant speculation and innuendo is fact?

There is nothing in that article that talks about the administration's policy.

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