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Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:43 PM

WIRED: There Is NO Ukrainian Server-NONE-Seriously NONE-Please Potus, SoS, Senators-STOP

Trump's Ukraine Server Delusion Is Spreading
Even secretary of state Mike Pompeo has given credence to Trump's demonstrably wrong theory that Ukraine hacked the DNC.


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Where does this malignant conspiracy theory come from in the first place? Maybe Paul Manafort. Probably 4chan. Regardless, it has since stuck in the president’s brain like a Ceti eel placed by a wrathful Khan, burrowing deeper until it consumes whatever remains of rational thought. The story, as Trump recently posited on a marathon call-in to Fox and Friends, goes something like this:

“A lot of it had to do, they say, with Ukraine,” Trump said. “It’s very interesting. They have the server, right? From the DNC, Democratic National Committee. The FBI went in, and they told them, 'Get out of here, we’re not giving it to you.' They gave the server to CrowdStrike, or whatever it’s called, which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian, and I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI has never gotten that server. That’s a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?”

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Almost every aspect of this is demonstrably wrong. CrowdStrike is not a Ukrainian company. Its cofounder and chief technology officer, Dmitri Alperovitch, was born in Russia and has lived in the US since his teenage years. The company is based in Sunnyvale, California, and went public this summer. As is standard in this sort of incident response, CrowdStrike never took physical possession of any DNC server. Its analysts instead captured an “image” of the hard drives and memories of affected machines, exact replicas that it could examine for signs of malfeasance. It handed all of that forensic evidence over to the FBI, which Department of Justice deputy assistant attorney general Adam Hickey confirmed just last month. And if the logical contortions required to view CrowdStrike as somehow partisan in all of this aren’t already enough, know that the company counts the Republican National Congressional Committee among its clients.

So: Not Ukrainian. No physical server. Not only was the FBI directly involved, but the DOJ indicted the Russian hackers responsible and laid out in exquisite detail how they did it—and how CrowdStrike fought them off. You can read the indictment for yourself here. Start on page 10; CrowdStrike is Company 1.
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https://www.wired.com/story/trump-ukraine-server-delusion-spreading/

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The Ukraine server conspiracy matters not only because it’s wrong, or because it empowers and absolves Russia, or because it weakens the strategically vital relationship between the US and Ukraine for no discernible benefit. It also matters because it puts in sharp relief how divorced the president is from reality, and the apparent lack of willingness or ability of those around him to set the record straight. And the more he and they repeat the lie, the more it seems true to the people who hear it.


The torrent of lies Trump and his enablers have sent rushing over the DNC server story threaten to wear the truth to a nub. So yes, we’ll keep writing about it. There’s no “server.” It’s not in Ukraine. The story is the same, and always will be.



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https://www.wired.com/story/trump-ukraine-server-delusion-spreading/

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fierywoman Nov 26 #1
getagrip_already Nov 26 #4
NCLefty Nov 26 #2
smirkymonkey Nov 26 #3
SWBTATTReg Nov 26 #5
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Wellstone ruled Nov 26 #7
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:44 PM

1. Isn't it that the Republicans use a Russian server?

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Response to fierywoman (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:50 PM

4. trump had a secret server in trump tower....

It had an encrypted connection to a russian server at one of their state controlled banks. It exchanged a fair amount of messages with that russian server, but didn't communicate with other servers.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:46 PM

2. Hunter's Wikipedia page calls Trump+GOP the liars they are:

Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, a major Ukrainian natural gas producer, from 2014 to 2019. He has been the subject of debunked rightwing conspiracy theories concerning his business dealings in Ukraine.[1] In 2019, President Donald Trump falsely claimed that Joe Biden had sought the dismissal of a Ukrainian prosecutor in order to protect Hunter Biden from investigation.[2][3][4] However, Hunter Biden was not under investigation,[5] and there is no evidence of any wrongdoing by him in Ukraine.[6] Trump's alleged attempt to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate the Bidens by withholding foreign aid[7][8][9] triggered an impeachment inquiry in September 2019. In October 2019, Biden resigned from the Board of Directors of a Chinese private investment fund he co-founded, BHR Partners, saying he wanted to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest while his father was running for president.[10][11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:49 PM

3. Thank you!

This will come in handy for Thanksgiving weekend with republican family members, because I am sure this will come up once they are drunk enough.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:05 PM

5. Everytime they bring up their crap on this supposed server, say 'sure, ...

show us yours (rump's server, where he's been dumping stuff on it to bypass retention and other guidelines (in the WH))...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:18 PM

7. Golly Gee whiz,

did not old Vlad crank up that one some time ago?

Sad to say,the Hill Web Site and Jon Solomn ran with this POS. But,if the money is right,run with it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:26 PM

8. This is the silly part of the discussion.

"There is no server, so how dare you ask anybody to investigate!"

It's like asking Oregon to investigate sasquatch sightings in exchange for something. Meh. It carries no harm to anybody except the expense of conducting the investigation. It's not a political wrangle; there is no "he's trying to get a foreign government to de facto meddle in the 2020 elections." There's no there there, they're carrying on but their there is entirely lacking.

It's a different thing when asking about Hunter Biden.

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