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Sat Nov 23, 2019, 04:51 PM

Let's blue-sky think. Is there any path for removing Trump judge appointees if 2016 election is ...

....proven rigged?

What would it take for executive orders and appointments to be nullified assuming Dems were to take over WH and Congress in 2020?

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Reply Let's blue-sky think. Is there any path for removing Trump judge appointees if 2016 election is ... (Original post)
Grasswire2 Nov 2019 OP
hlthe2b Nov 2019 #1
Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #4
hlthe2b Nov 2019 #5
lunatica Nov 2019 #8
tritsofme Nov 2019 #6
Salviati Nov 2019 #11
mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #2
leftieNanner Nov 2019 #3
applegrove Nov 2019 #7
Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #9
radius777 Nov 2019 #14
DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2019 #10
MichMan Nov 2019 #12
ChazInAz Nov 2019 #13

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 04:53 PM

1. No...

They could be impeached if they persue corruption or other unethical behavior, but otherwise... We are stuck

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:00 PM

4. Is there anything in the Constitution that would prevent Congress from making a law...

... that would hence forward allow a remedy for a rigged presidential election? A change in the confirmation processes, perhaps?

This is ONE of the newly-found problems where founding fathers did not anticipate malevolent actors subverting the Constitution.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:03 PM

5. I think you'd have to have a consitutional amendment...

I know of a lot of other things we need to address in that manner as well. Impractical, but it could be done. It still wouldn't be retroactive, though.

Let's see if ERA finally goes through with VA pushing it. That would be one important constituional element as a start.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:17 PM

8. I've been hoping that the ERA gets ratified for decades.

I hate that we lose ground with every Republican President and in some States. We only need one more state to ratify it. Virginia.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/equal-rights-amendment-edges-closer-to-reality

[snip]

But proponents never stopped fighting for it. Nevada ratified the amendment in 2017 and Illinois in 2018, leaving it just one state shy of becoming the law of the land.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:06 PM

6. So you would have empowered the unified Republican government in 2017

to declare 2012 rigged, and nullify President Obama’s judicial nominees?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:32 PM

11. They should certainly all be watched like a hawk

The ones that are stupid enough to do something impeachable should be nailed for it. I wish rank incompetence was impeachable.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 04:53 PM

2. Not for the reason of a rigged election.

They could be removed via impeachment and conviction, but the judges would have had to do something themselves that would bring about an impeachment. Having been appointed in the wake of a rigged election is insufficient.

IANAL.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 04:59 PM

3. Good Question - Blue Sky-wise

At the very least, we do have a judicial code of ethical conduct that could at least come in to play if there is any misbehavior by any of these appointees.

Otherwise, unfortunately we are stuck!

Time to institute the same code of ethics for SCOTUS.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:07 PM

7. Not going to happen. We have to move on to what we can do now. That

means getting out the vote.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:19 PM

9. cannot risk relying on election 2020 to save us

Not when Comey, Coates, Mueller, Wray have all told us UNDER OATH that the election is being rigged "as we sit here".

All it takes is for several states vote totals to be botched (a simple task, electronically) and then referred to SCOTUS for resolution.

Voila. Trump wins. Despite popular vote. Despite interference.

We know it's rigged, already.

Only fools and idiots would hope for a fair election.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 06:34 PM

14. Agree with your thinking.

Trump stole one election as a private citizen and has that much more incentive to steal another using the power of the presidency. He views himself as a king whose family is entitled to rule over us forever - he won't leave office peacefully, even Michael Cohen has said this.

The GOP are riding along, seeing the power they can have, and are enabling his evil along with their own brand of evil they've pushed for a generation.

Moscow Mitch stole Obama's SCOTUS appointment then bragged about it. Then pushed through Gorsuch, then the Kavanaugh fiasco. They are waiting for RBG to die to stuff in another young RW hack.

As you stated, only naive fools (and unfortunately, there are many on our side) believe that 2020 will save us. We have a duty to fight now, which is why the impeachment proceedings, even if ultimately don't remove Trump, are important. We can't make the mistake of playing 'prevent defense' thinking 2020 is in our favor, only to see Trump dance in the endzone like he did in 2016.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:25 PM

10. No

The appointments are for life. They cannot be removed except for impeachment and 2/3rd vote in the Senate is still needed to actually remove them. Simply gaining a majority in the Senate isn't enough. We'd need gop senators to go along with it.

The executive orders can be rescinded by the President or by a law passed by Congress. Those are relatively easy to get rid of.

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Response to DetroitLegalBeagle (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 05:36 PM

12. Are they?

You would think so, but the courts can rule otherwise.DACA was created with an EO, and so far Drumph hasn't been able to end it.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Nov 23, 2019, 06:10 PM

13. A modest idea,

When we finally hoik these banana slugs out of the executive and legislative branches, a firm but politely worded request for resignations needs to go out to the most recent members of the judiciary, with a reminder that they are being closely scrutinized.

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