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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:23 PM

Your thoughts here please.

After these hearings, it looks like the House is considering possibly calling OTHER witness's. Now this i'm sure won't be easy. You think courts will have to decide the subpoena issue? How long a fight will the house have in the courts? This could drag this out during election year, (which i DO NOT CARE if it does) IMPEACHMENT front and center the election year i think would be to our advantage. (could be wrong here, but that's how i feel) I fully agree with the House decision IF they choose to call everyone they want. Hell the way the hearings are going is GREAT!

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Reply Your thoughts here please. (Original post)
bluestarone Nov 2019 OP
Thomas Hurt Nov 2019 #1
bluestarone Nov 2019 #3
Arthur_Frain Nov 2019 #2
Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #4
flotsam Nov 2019 #5
unitedwethrive Nov 2019 #6
bluestarone Nov 2019 #7
BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #8
myohmy2 Nov 2019 #9
ancianita Nov 2019 #10

Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:32 PM

1. Pence, Perry, Pompeo, Mulvany, Rudy and his two henchmen...

didn't Sondland he had emails that he wanted to provide as well?

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:35 PM

3. Yea these are the future witness's

Will we get them? That would be VERY INTERESTING!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:34 PM

2. Until something is done in a concrete way

with those who flat out fail to show up for a subpeona, nothing will happen. They need to break out the teeth.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:36 PM

4. I doubt that will go very far...

they have a pretty good case so far. From what I've heard, Dems will not be "waiting" on any more subpoena appeals.

They're moving forward. They may issue more subpoenas, but if they go to the courts, they will just assume that is more obstruction and add them to the list of stonewallers.

They're moving forward, and I think they'll have a committee vote next week, and go to the Judicial 1st week of Dec. House floor by Xmas and to the Senate in Jan.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 05:30 PM

5. I believe the case is made

1. Lying to Mueller in his written answer.
2. Contempt of Congress for withholding documents
3. Obstructing justice by instructing multiple subordinates to ignore subpoenas
4. Abuse of Power
5. Bribery or extortion

Lay the case out in Congress and force the GOP to show their' colors. And whatever the result, make them pay in 2020.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 05:33 PM

6. Since evidence is turning up constantly, it is smart for them to keep options open.

My guess is that they have nothing planned, but with the Thanksgiving break coming up, who knows how the story might change by December, when they are back in DC.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 05:37 PM

7. To add here

The decision from the SC on his taxes will help the House decide what future steps they could take.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 05:44 PM

8. There were some other staff that were involved in the Sondland post-meeting

that Bolton didn't want to have anything to do with, that Vindman & Hill were in (which included some Ukrainians), so could be them.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 05:49 PM

9. I'm no lawyer...

...but a better way to go may be to submit articles of impeachment to the Senate as soon as possible...

...then during the impeachment trial Senate Dem's should be able to petition the Chief Justice in granting a request to subpoena all connected people and witnesses surrounding trump ...didn't Sondland say,"...they were all in the loop..."

...under the gravity of impeachment I would expect the Chief Justice would grant such requests and require/force such testimony...

...but I could be wrong...

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 05:52 PM

10. I want ALL the executive branch people to testify, but immunity will deny us their sworn testimony.

So we also have to face that the obstruction fight by the DOJ, and the prolonged court fights against subpoena refusals, would actually hurt the impeachment awareness of Americans in general.

Americans will be able to harden their votes with the facts they've already been shown. They've been dramatically shown, and given great lessons with these impeachment hearings.

I think Dems have peaked in squashing most of the propaganda that's been hurled at voters. Such that when the Senate trial votes clearly show senators' true loyalties -- to a man, rather than their oaths -- voters will vote accordingly.

If you doubt that Americans forget, don't forget their 2018 midterm vote that swept the House, and their continued flipping toward Democrats at state levels.

With all the videos and ads that will show them as having thrown our national security away for this venal emoluments-monger imposter president, Americans will not forget.

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