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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:02 AM

I think Sondland still in cahoots with MF45. Didn't he really thread the needle?

I think trump has decided he can't defend that they weren't holding up $$. So they are willing to admit (or defend) withholding $$ for two reasons: 1) meeting prerequisite and 2) to requesting investigation but of Burisma only. Both can be defended (albeit weakly) as ok.

Sondland was very careful to qualify his statements, not to utter the Biden word.

And the infamous phone call to trump took place on September 9th (after whistleblower known).
Isn't this just way too convenient? Why did Sondland wait SO long to get Trump's motives?

And then Trump conveniently uses Sondland's words in a presser yesterday?

Sondland throws Pompeo and others under bus (they all knew)? Helps trump so he can blame others.

But the biggest key to me is that Sondland mocked the guy who had lunch and shared a bottle of wine with him. And specifically refuted that he used the word Biden. BTW, what does that other person at lunch say about that?

In addition, Sondland changed his testimony...another sign of guilt and that he's been in this evolving story all along.

All this is way too coincidental.




https://www.vox.com/2019/11/20/20974641/trump-no-quid-pro-quo-sondland

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Reply I think Sondland still in cahoots with MF45. Didn't he really thread the needle? (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 OP
BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #1
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #3
BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #4
Cosmocat Nov 2019 #9
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #17
Alliepoo Nov 2019 #2
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #5
Kingofalldems Nov 2019 #6
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #7
mopinko Nov 2019 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #12
mopinko Nov 2019 #16
bluestarone Nov 2019 #10
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #15
Merlot Nov 2019 #18
bluestarone Nov 2019 #20
BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #11
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #13
Merlot Nov 2019 #19
LakeArenal Nov 2019 #14
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #21
LakeArenal Nov 2019 #22
LakeArenal Nov 2019 #23
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #25
live love laugh Nov 2019 #24
dewsgirl Nov 2019 #26
C_U_L8R Nov 2019 #27

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:05 AM

1. Hmmmmm. Those are pretty interesting points.

You may be onto something.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:12 AM

3. He actually walked between saving his own ass and

Doing the minimal amount of damage to Dingbat.

Did they ever explain how he managed to get a copy of SOME of his emails/texts but not others?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:15 AM

4. Another good point!

Are they smarter than I give them credit for?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:52 AM

9. YEP - IMO he is still a true believer, but had an attorney give him a coming to god talk

he was coached up on what he had to say to pull back on the areas he exposed himself to legal problems in his first testimony, and did revel a bit in torching some others as get back for knowing he was going to get chewed up by the conservative media, but absolutely still loves him some 45.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:56 AM

17. So what happened to his emails? Did DOS just

Somehow remove his access to everything? Like a blank slate now with no history? They aren't turning them over...they are just hidden ?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:05 AM

2. Yep!

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Response to Alliepoo (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:16 AM

5. Another thing that hit me (probably big duh to most)

Why trump picked Rudy to orchestrate all this. The truth can never come out because Rudy can always say atty client privilege. Trump will never testify truthfully nor will Rudy.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:22 AM

6. So are you saying Trump wins?

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:29 AM

7. Just that we will never know real truth about

What happened. I think he will not be found guilty by Senate. Do you?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:44 AM

8. there is no privilege to conspire to commit crimes.

they might think that, and likely do, but yeah, no.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:04 AM

12. Good point. What crimes would those be?

I was just referring to Rudy's role in the Ukraine event. The even if the Impeachment committee could somehow drag him in, he would just declare atty/client privilege. Do you see an ultimate crime by Rudy or Trump?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:21 AM

16. extortion and bribery.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:00 AM

10. Honestly i feel that there was communications with both BEFORE his testimony

Sondland agreed NOT to say he heard the word Biden from tRUMPS lips. He (sondland) held back! Just my thinking.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:17 AM

15. You are right! His changing testimony indicates

Guilt on his part and substantiates the theory that he's in cahoots.

Underlying all this too ..it's become evident that there was a real power struggle among all these people. And that sides and coalitions formed.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:57 AM

18. We heard from Michael Cohen that that's how trumpft gives directives

By not directly saying what he wants, only implying and leaving the interpretation to the listener.

That trumpft did not explicitly say "Biden" does not change the intent of what trumpft wanted. Hopefully they won't get hung up on this detail.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:38 PM

20. Yes i do remember this!

Schiff will work through this! I have faith!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:02 AM

11. He's in cahoots with himself.

 

And Maloney saw right through it.

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:13 AM

13. Yes that was amazing. I thought wish I could think

that fast. When it was happening thought Sondland would win pulling that sympathy card.

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:02 PM

19. That was amazing. sondland is an ass, and still loves 45

sondlands' testimony was a gift to trumpft which trumpft promptly took to the media.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:15 AM

14. Oh I'm sure you are correct.

The whole damn mess goes way deeper than any of us common folk know.

Or ever will.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:16 PM

21. Ha. Trump trying to disprove the luncheon phone call

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 02:56 PM

22. Well.. you may not know this yet but....

Shhhh...HES A LIAR!!!!!! Shhhh.

Im not sure anyone else knows yet!!!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 02:57 PM

23. So he's had cell phones all his life????

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 03:28 PM

25. Just pictured him with one of those giant satellite

Phones! Where is a good phone tapper/hacker when we need one?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 03:14 PM

24. Never trust ANY Republican. Really. nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 03:30 PM

26. The fact that he wasn't fired, says something.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 03:42 PM

27. Sondland is a snake in the grass

It was clear he was there to save his own hide. Not very forthcoming or honest otherwise.

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