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Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:19 PM

Whoa !!! Was Nixon's shit this riveting ?!?! This is out of movies

They're getting testy

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Reply Whoa !!! Was Nixon's shit this riveting ?!?! This is out of movies (Original post)
uponit7771 Nov 20 OP
CincyDem Nov 20 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 20 #2
liberaltrucker Nov 20 #9
PatSeg Nov 20 #12
redstatebluegirl Nov 20 #3
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #5
PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 20 #23
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #30
PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 20 #31
NewJeffCT Nov 20 #8
redstatebluegirl Nov 20 #20
wryter2000 Nov 20 #18
nocoincidences Nov 20 #21
marlakay Nov 20 #4
uponit7771 Nov 20 #6
PatSeg Nov 20 #13
TruckFump Nov 20 #7
dweller Nov 20 #10
uponit7771 Nov 20 #11
crickets Nov 20 #32
beachbumbob Nov 20 #14
wryter2000 Nov 20 #17
Norbert Nov 20 #15
wryter2000 Nov 20 #16
sprinkleeninow Nov 20 #27
LakeArenal Nov 20 #19
DFW Nov 20 #22
brooklynite Nov 20 #24
wryter2000 Nov 20 #25
sprinkleeninow Nov 20 #28
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 20 #29
C_U_L8R Nov 20 #26

Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:20 PM

1. Long time ago but, at the time, it was must see TV...just like today. IMHO n/t

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:21 PM

2. Sometimes.

John Dean and Alexander Butterfield definitely threw grenades into the room. But I donít remember as much yelling.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:36 PM

9. Yep!

When Butterfield revealed the existence of the WH recording
system, you could hear a pin drop in the committee room.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:38 PM

12. I don't either

Televised hearings didn't used to be so theatrical. Over time, senators and congressional representatives started playing to the camera, hoping to be the clip that gets replayed for days. I recall people behaving more like Adam Schiff, measured and understated.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:21 PM

3. Yes, go out and look for the youtube video of Barbara Jordan's remarks.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:51 PM

23. Oddly enough that clip is dated 1971.

Her speech could not have occurred before the Watergate Hearings began in 1973.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:42 PM

30. "1971" is a typo. it's the correct speech: 1974-07-25

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:24 PM

31. It's a bit depressing that the typo wasn't caught long ago.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:29 PM

8. Jordan was fantastic and one-of-a-kind

but, were the witnesses as compelling?

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:53 PM

20. Yes!

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:47 PM

18. God, yes

I wish she were with us today

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:31 PM

21. I do too.

She was one of the greatest America has produced.

If we could hear the voice of God, it would sound like Barbara Jordan.

I forget who said that, but I immediately understood it.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:22 PM

4. I watched it with my dad

In high school and I was just a normal teen not into school. Something must have caught my attention. Maybe it was my dad screaming at tv!

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Response to marlakay (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:25 PM

6. +1, that's me right now ... screaming at the TV. I told the kids this is historic and people ....

.... remembered Nixon and I didn't want to miss this history.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:40 PM

13. During Watergate,

I had a three year old, so couldn't stay riveted to the TV. I saw it in bits and pieces. I'm determined to witness history this time, rather than read about it later on.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:27 PM

7. Yes.

I watched every minute and this was at a time TV live could not be taped or DVRed.

This is also before the age of headphones. When I had to leave my TV, I took with me a then-tiny, now-huge, pink plastic transistor radio and held it to my ear. I developed great arms from the weight of doing this.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:36 PM

10. sometimes

but remember, it was in black and white
in both the picture, and the facts

✌🏼

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Response to dweller (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:38 PM

11. 👍🏼

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Response to dweller (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:35 PM

32. That's a very good way of putting it. nt

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:41 PM

14. It did and then the John Dean bombshell hit

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:46 PM

17. And Alexander Butterfield

That was jaw dropping.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:41 PM

15. Keep in mind Cable TV was in its infancy.

Almost all of us had 5 channels or less. The big three networks all had the Watergate hearings. If you had the TV on most likely it was on the hearings and many of us were riveted to the TV.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:45 PM

16. It had amazing moments

It was never this clear what crimes Nixon had committed. This is over the top, esp. because the Republicans are such assholes.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:23 PM

27. 👍

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:50 PM

19. Yep.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:46 PM

22. I was there

Yes, Nixon's shit WAS this riveting

Nixon just looked in the camera and said, "I'm not a crook," while no one believed it, including him, and it showed. Everyone knew he was going down because even staunch Republicans like Barry Goldwater publicly declared that enough is enough, and I've heard enough. There are no such Republicans in the US Congress any more, which is why Trump thinks he can hang on, and who knows? He might even be right.

Trump says, "I am not a crook," and believes it because he has gotten away with EVERYTHING he ever did that was wrong, and thinks that he will somehow wriggle out of this as well. He has always done it because he has always bought his way out. But this time, his rich friends are less impressed by more money than by the prospect of going to prison for a few years. THAT can put an end to presidential loyalty or a run for Congress in a big hurry.

The irony that it is NOT Hillary that will be locked up will probably not be lost on many people, even Republicans.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:12 PM

24. What this doesn't have yet is the Perry Mason big reveal moment...

The Watergate tapes were revealed by Alexander Butterworth, a low-level functionary that nobody had heard of before.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:21 PM

25. Butterfield

Butterworth is pancake syrup.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:24 PM

28. Now I want pancakes.

🥞

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:34 PM

29. Butterfield wasn't a low-level functionary. He was one of the most important WH aides.

His title was Deputy Assistant to the President - he was Chief of Staff Haldeman's chief assistant.

Next to Haldeman, Butterfield was the most powerful aide in the White House. He met with Nixon and Haldeman every day at 2 P.M. to plan the following day's activities. He "completely controlled" what paperwork Nixon saw, and logged memos. He accompanied Haldeman on all domestic trips, co-supervised traveling White House staff with Haldeman, and ran the White House when Haldeman and Nixon went on foreign trips. Every meeting the president attended required "talking points" for Nixon written by an appropriate staff person as well as an after-meeting summary by that person, and Butterfield oversaw the process by which both documents were completed and filed. Butterfield also oversaw all FBI investigations requested by the White House, which included routine background checks of potential employees as well as politically motivated investigations. Other than Haldeman, no one had a more intimate knowledge of Nixon's working style, the daily operations of the White House, what Nixon may have read, or who Nixon may have met.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Butterfield

Because of his position he was one of a very small number of people who knew about the taping system - the others were only Nixon, Haldeman, another Haldeman assistant and the three or four Secret Service technicians who installed it. John Dean had testified that he suspected that White House conversations were being taped, so after that, other witnesses were asked if they knew about it. Butterfield finally spilled the beans.

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Response to uponit7771 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:22 PM

26. But in black and white

with fuzzy reception through the rabbit ears

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