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Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:06 PM

***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 20 THREAD 5***








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Reply ***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 20 THREAD 5*** (Original post)
crickets Nov 20 OP
Roland99 Nov 20 #1
crickets Nov 20 #2
polichick Nov 20 #3
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #4
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #5
ancianita Nov 20 #6
brooklynite Nov 20 #7
Midnightwalk Nov 20 #13
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #8
crickets Nov 20 #12
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #9
Mersky Nov 20 #10
flamingdem Nov 20 #11
crickets Nov 20 #15
Mersky Nov 20 #21
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #14
Pacifist Patriot Nov 20 #19
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #23
Pacifist Patriot Nov 20 #24
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #28
Pacifist Patriot Nov 20 #63
Roland99 Nov 20 #37
crazytown Nov 20 #85
Midnightwalk Nov 20 #16
C_U_L8R Nov 20 #17
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #18
crickets Nov 20 #22
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #40
Siwsan Nov 20 #111
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #114
backtoblue Nov 20 #20
Politicub Nov 20 #25
polichick Nov 20 #30
nolabear Nov 20 #32
Politicub Nov 20 #36
bdamomma Nov 20 #59
bdamomma Nov 20 #34
Mersky Nov 20 #42
hibbing Nov 20 #82
hlthe2b Nov 20 #26
Wawannabe Nov 20 #58
crickets Nov 20 #27
Chin music Nov 20 #29
mucifer Nov 20 #31
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #33
Mersky Nov 20 #35
bdamomma Nov 20 #38
nolabear Nov 20 #39
crickets Nov 20 #43
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #41
Raven123 Nov 20 #44
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #45
Roland99 Nov 20 #46
mucifer Nov 20 #49
The_Counsel Nov 20 #83
bdamomma Nov 20 #47
Roland99 Nov 20 #51
bdamomma Nov 20 #53
Roland99 Nov 20 #55
Roland99 Nov 20 #48
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #50
JHB Nov 20 #65
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #77
JHB Nov 20 #86
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #93
Roland99 Nov 20 #52
ancianita Nov 20 #61
Botany Nov 20 #62
Roland99 Nov 20 #54
Roland99 Nov 20 #56
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #57
nolabear Nov 20 #64
crazytown Nov 20 #88
Roland99 Nov 20 #60
crickets Nov 20 #66
bdamomma Nov 20 #73
Roland99 Nov 20 #78
bdamomma Nov 20 #127
Roland99 Nov 20 #129
bdamomma Nov 20 #130
The_Counsel Nov 20 #67
Midnightwalk Nov 20 #68
Mersky Nov 20 #69
Roland99 Nov 20 #71
blaze Nov 20 #75
Mersky Nov 20 #79
Roland99 Nov 20 #70
MerryBlooms Nov 20 #74
blaze Nov 20 #76
mucifer Nov 20 #72
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #80
DesertRat Nov 20 #92
nolabear Nov 20 #81
mucifer Nov 20 #84
DesertRat Nov 20 #97
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #87
Midnightwalk Nov 20 #94
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #104
C_U_L8R Nov 20 #89
Roland99 Nov 20 #90
crickets Nov 20 #91
Mersky Nov 20 #98
C_U_L8R Nov 20 #95
elleng Nov 20 #100
crickets Nov 20 #101
AnotherMother4Peace Nov 20 #96
madaboutharry Nov 20 #99
Clash City Rocker Nov 20 #102
JuJuYoshida Nov 20 #103
Roland99 Nov 20 #108
Mersky Nov 20 #110
dweller Nov 20 #105
Roland99 Nov 20 #106
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #112
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #107
crickets Nov 20 #109
mucifer Nov 20 #113
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #115
crickets Nov 20 #116
elleng Nov 20 #120
crickets Nov 20 #123
elleng Nov 20 #125
elleng Nov 20 #118
mucifer Nov 20 #121
crickets Nov 20 #117
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 20 #119
polichick Nov 20 #126
crickets Nov 20 #122
BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #124
malaise Nov 20 #128

Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:07 PM

1. Whoa!!! Castor was pissed just now at Sondland

Upset that GS intimating that the ask/condition came from trump despite him not saying it directly

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:08 PM

3. Pin him down Schiff!

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:08 PM

4. CASTOR DONE. Schiff is now going to do 2 periods of 30-minute rounds before the 5 minute questions.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:09 PM

5. Schiff is correcting the bullshit about "drug deal"

that had nothing to do with Fiona Hill and had nothing to do with a literal "drug deal".

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:11 PM

6. Crickets, you are the best! Thank you!

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:11 PM

7. Adam Schiff now trying to reel Mick Mulvaney into the conspiracy

...and Ambassador Sondland accomodates.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:14 PM

13. Yep this is all illegal isn't it

If we ever get an honest attorney general these people are screwed. Unless pardoned.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:11 PM

8. Schiff brought up Mulvaney's press conference that arrogantly announced the quid pro quo

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:14 PM

12. Good. They need to bring that up over and over again. nt

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:12 PM

9. Goldman (House Committee Dem counsel) is up

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:12 PM

10. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you! Chairman Schiff

For directly addressing that "cooking up a drug deal" is the figurative language coined by bolton!

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:14 PM

11. Goldman closes in on Pompeo via

his assistant who was on the email chain from Sondland

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:16 PM

15. Zoiks at the list of names on the email list

Robert Blair
Lisa Kenna
Brian McCormack
Mick Mulvaney
Rick Perry
Mike Pompeo
Gordon Sondland

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Response to crickets (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:23 PM

21. Thank you! nt

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:16 PM

14. Sondland just threw another whole group of people under the bus

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:22 PM

19. Shoot! I had to go into a staff meeting. Who?

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:24 PM

23. There were a pile of people on an email that he sent

that included Perry and some of his staff and a couple others (I think it may have been part of the exhibits with his statement - checking right now)...

EDIT (from the email included as an exhibit with his opening statement) these folks - Robert Blair, Lisa Kenna, Brian McCormack, Mick Mulvaney, Rick Perry, Mike Pompeo

(from here: https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ukraine-clearinghouse-Opening-Statement-of-Ambassador-Gordon-november-20-2019.pdf)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:26 PM

24. Oh my!

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:29 PM

28. Just updated with the names!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:48 PM

63. Thanks!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:33 PM

37. Ugh. Where's Bill Barr??

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:55 PM

85. ' Sondland just threw another whole group of people under the bus'

More like buses, lots of buses.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:16 PM

16. Are they key witnesses? Yes

Obstruction.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:17 PM

17. Oh man, the bus keeps rolling back and forth

These trumpstains are getting flattened. The whole corrupt bunch.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:22 PM

18. OMG Vizzini ...

Siwsan has uncovered Sondland's secret identity:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212709391

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:24 PM

22. Ha, good one. I can never unsee that now. nt

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:39 PM

40. LOL!

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:16 PM

111. I have my moments!

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #111)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:17 PM

114. it's great. something kept nagging me -- where have I seen him before?

You nailed it!

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:22 PM

20. Kick

Soooo much more to this.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:27 PM

25. Trump's handwritten notes from this morning (real)

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Response to Politicub (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:30 PM

30. A very stunted personality - I'd feel sorry if not for the destruction he brings.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:32 PM

32. He has to remind himself of those things?

You’d think even he could retain “I want no quid pro quo...”

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Response to nolabear (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:33 PM

36. Is it bizarre? He just had to remember them from the door to the helicopter.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:47 PM

59. Thats why he

is Adderall, for his ADHD.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:32 PM

34. Like a

freaking 2 yr old. Just keep on repeating and repeating huh??

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Response to Politicub (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:39 PM

42. Whoa. When was that written?

How could that possibly be useful at a helicopter shout session? Enter that into the record?

I am so annoyed with his sharpie method. Devious prick that he is.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:54 PM

82. Oh lord.......n/t

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:27 PM

26. tweet of the day: "When is the Bronco arriving at the White House?"




Yeah, I know 5 parts wishful thinking and 5 parts high anticipation but...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:47 PM

58. Memories!

Oh man! Spot on!

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:29 PM

27. The statement details were nailed down by email on AUG 11 w/Yermak

What it had to say, when it would say it.

The statement was not dropped for being a bad idea as Sondland tried to say earlier. It got dropped when the whistle blew the next day, AUG 12.

Whew.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:30 PM

31. Goldman's composure and body language vs Castor's

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Response to mucifer (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:32 PM

33. Castor continually looks like this-



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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:33 PM

35. "Issues of importance to pOTUS"

In Sondland's communication to pompeo over the Warsaw meeting, Sondland used 'issues of importance...' to mean "2016 and investigations into Burisma."

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:36 PM

38. Just stopped in

looks like Sondland is throwing everyone under the bus.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:38 PM

39. Oooooooh yeah. It's a Greyhound-a-Rama!

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:40 PM

43. Pretty much!

Current questioning is pretty grindy, but the beginning- wow.
You can read his opening statement, but watching it is even better.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/read-gordon-sondland-s-explosive-opening-statement-impeachment-hearing-n1086621

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:39 PM

41. Schiff back to questioning

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:40 PM

44. Sondland has selective amnesia

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:40 PM

45. MOO MOO UP - MUTE ALERT

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:40 PM

46. MOOnes up. Gonna harp on the no direct quote from trump re: quid pro quo

But we all know, and Sondland has already testified, that there WAS a quid pro quo

And who was holding up the aid? Giuliani? No. Trump

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:42 PM

49. yeah unfortunately he testified in a way that opens things up for spin

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:54 PM

83. The Thing Is Guilliani Doesn't Sign Off on that Aid...

...Trump does. And he wasn't signing nothing--even though the Congress had already authorized it--until he got what he wanted. That's why he's in the trouble he's in.

The President is plenty powerful, yes, but not THAT powerful. That's what Trump didn't/doesn't get.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:42 PM

47. So what was that

exchange between Sondland and Schiff so did he say there was no this for that?

Sondland seems weird huh??? Kind of cocky too.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:43 PM

51. Sondland's whole point is he wasn't directly told by trump to put conditions on the ask and the aid

Yet it was sondlands understanding that there was a quid pro quo as made clear by other conversations and emails and texts

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:45 PM

53. So is he

trying to keep himself out of the fray???

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #53)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:46 PM

55. Yes. And he's probably being technically factual but still a bit obtuse

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:42 PM

48. MOOnes ranting about Dems fantasy of watergate and Sondland wanting addl documents

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:43 PM

50. MOO COW talking about "Watergate fantasies" and he was a year old when Watergate happened

shitting diapers.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:49 PM

65. It's more projection...

...of the Republicans' "revenge for Watergate" fantasies when they went after Bill Clinton.

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Response to JHB (Reply #65)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:52 PM

77. But he sounds silly.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:55 PM

86. So did they, but they did it anyway.

These are not mutually incompatible things.

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Response to JHB (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:59 PM

93. Yup

but the irony here is that he was a toddler when Watergate happened and that makes him look more like a simpleton.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:44 PM

52. MOOnes on a tangent that Germany wasn't helping Ukraine

Per July 25 call

But that’s a lie

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-wrong-on-european-aid-to-ukraine/
President Donald Trump wrongly said that “Europe and other nations” were “not” contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to “put up money.” In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

European countries have contributed an estimated two-thirds of all of the aid to Ukraine since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and launched a conflict in the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine, according to Iain King, a visiting fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #52)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:47 PM

61. Yep. That's way more than was on the line with this bribe.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #52)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:48 PM

62. Germany?

Good God in Butter.

WTF?

Btw if Castor was my lawyer I would hope I would not get the chair for jay walking. He is really bad.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:46 PM

54. MOOness bingo card players. Cover up Steele Dossier now too

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:47 PM

56. And cover up "magical minutes"

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:47 PM

57. Castor up

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #57)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:48 PM

64. Poor Rudy...😂

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Response to nolabear (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:58 PM

88. Rusy Rudy Rudy

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:47 PM

60. Castor up. Says he won't use up all minutes as a courtesy

IOW, he doesn’t know wtf else to do

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #60)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:49 PM

66. Looks like he figures a few minutes driving the bus over Rudy is time well spent. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #60)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:51 PM

73. So what are

the key damaging factors/testimony from Sondland, is he showing his support for don the con?

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:52 PM

78. He's testified there WAS a quid pro quo

But it was something he presumed or understood based upon a totality of meetings, phone calls, texts, etc but not something that came directly from trump in explicit terms

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #78)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:02 PM

127. So what does that mean for us???

sorry for all my questions. Just trying to keep updated.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #127)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:30 PM

129. Boils down to interpretation I guess

But added in with others’ testimony it paints a rather clear picture of intent

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #129)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 06:29 PM

130. hmm....

interesting, thanks for the clarification.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:49 PM

67. What in the Actual FUCK Is Nunes Even Talking About???

Did he actually say that obstruction is not a crime???

Is he aware that the "whistleblower" law is older than the Constitution itself??

Is he aware that when a crime is committed it's not necessary to find out "who snitched?" I mean...SERIOUSLY, DEVIN??? We can't prosecute this crime because we don't know who dialed 911???

GOD, what an idiot...!!!

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:49 PM

68. Moones regrets no chance for witness to align

Now he conflates the closed meetings with the white house not releasing evidence.

This isn’t the trial. The suspect can’t obstruct. The investigation doesn’t have to tell witnesses what other witnesses said.

What an idjut

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:50 PM

69. Cosplay cow in a Scarface suit was trying to say

(I think) that holding up Congressional funds is foreign policy and not the self dealing bribery rising to extortion that it looks like. That diplomats exist to carrying out such crimes because my pin stripes say so.

Not sure, so much mooing; occasional cowbell.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #69)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:50 PM

71. Cowsplay?

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:51 PM

75. LOL

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #71)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:53 PM

79. Yes. It's all cowsplay to him.

Good one!

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:50 PM

70. Wait. Castor maybe throwing Rudy under the bus too?!

Mentioning he has business interests in Ukraine and bringing up Parnas and Fruman

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #70)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:51 PM

74. Hell with the bus, he just tossed him into the lion's den! Holy crap! n/t

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #70)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:52 PM

76. Poor Rudy

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:51 PM

72. On mute Castor looks so defeated

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Response to mucifer (Reply #72)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:53 PM

80. Somebody told him to get "excited" and he briefly did

and then went back to his old self.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #72)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:59 PM

92. He really does - very anxious

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:54 PM

81. OMG Sondland is just firing away at everybody.

I’m having such a good time with this. It’s a narcissism clusterfuck.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:55 PM

84. everyone but trump

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Response to nolabear (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:02 PM

97. He's having a good time

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:57 PM

87. MOO MOO interrupts to talk about the whistleblower

He belongs in prison.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #87)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:01 PM

94. And he doesn't know what quid pro quo means

Bribery is an illegal example of a quid pro quo. Just like nunes is a flaming example of an idiot.

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Response to Midnightwalk (Reply #94)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:08 PM

104. He actually doesn't care because

IOKIYAR

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:58 PM

89. Trump went on TV and targeted the Bidens

That was the confession right there. All this republican distraction conveniently skates around this fact.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:58 PM

90. MOOnes whining he needs whistleblower testimony as it would help Sondland

But that ignores that we’ve HAD first hand testimony from others who WERE on the call

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:58 PM

91. Mute alert: Nunes tossing out talking points for FOX.

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Response to crickets (Reply #91)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:03 PM

98. Was basically legal term word salad

Flinging words around without connection to actual meaning in reality.

Extortion bone isn't connected to the quid pro bone type garbage.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:01 PM

95. Castor asking questions he doesn't know the answer to.

Backfires every time. Hilariously.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:03 PM

100. ALWAYS a mistake, when cross-examining!

(Trial-practice 101!!!)

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:04 PM

101. and he's browbeating his own witness!

Counsel had to step in and rap his knuckles to let Sondland finish his answer.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:02 PM

96. Castor challenging Sondland's credibility. nt

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:03 PM

99. Castor making rookie mistakes.

Asking questions without knowing the response is always bad form.

He is whining and appears unprepared.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:05 PM

102. Castor sounds like Rick Moranis' character in the courtroom scene in Ghostbusters II

Soooo whiny and desperate.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:05 PM

103. imho

The defending arguments are literally, "yeah, Trump totally did it but he never said he was doing it so it's cool and besides the President can do whatever the fuck he wants anyway."

It should give us all pause because they are showing their hand. This is about power and hanging onto it. The Republicans have made this their hill to die on.

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Response to JuJuYoshida (Reply #103)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:10 PM

108. Yeah...that's about it...the mob talk. *wink* *wink* "do what's right"

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Response to JuJuYoshida (Reply #103)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:16 PM

110. Yeah. It's gross. And outside the spirit of the Constitution.

Tramples all over the separation of powers, among other things. Good grief. That wasn’t his money for bribing a foreign country.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:08 PM

105. LUNCH !!

✌🏼

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:09 PM

106. Lunch Break

Sondland counsel stating he wanted to fly back to Brussels this evening...could we make a shorter break.

Schiff stating about 2hrs left of questioning.


Sondland can wait

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #106)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:16 PM

112. bathroom break -- Sondland had a lot of coffee

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:10 PM

107. ****30 MINUTE LUNCH BREAK****

Will resume with 5 minute questions.

Sondland's lawyer requested a shorter break so he can take a flight back to Brussels and Schiff pretty much brushed him off but said they would try to move it along when they return and should be no more than 2 hours for the final portion.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:12 PM

109. Cooper and Hale were scheduled for 2:30

This afternoon's schedule sounds like it's a bit more fluid than originally intended.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:17 PM

113. The PBS commentary is not that optimistic for our side. They are doing the "both sides

have different interpretations and Americans will be confused

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Response to mucifer (Reply #113)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:18 PM

115. PBS has been pretzeling itself since 2015, at least

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Response to mucifer (Reply #113)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:20 PM

116. It's a shame to see PBS of all channels engaging in bothsiderism. That's too bad. nt

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Response to crickets (Reply #116)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:29 PM

120. They're not, they're being as clear as possible.

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Response to elleng (Reply #120)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:35 PM

123. Oh, I misunderstood. Good to know! nt

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Response to crickets (Reply #123)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:41 PM

125. Thanks. PBS is my go-to news station,

watch Newshour before msnbc every evening, and like them a lot. Judy Woodruff takes no crap from anyone (politely, of course.)

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Response to mucifer (Reply #113)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:28 PM

118. Not right now,

rather, clarifying for watching public (as they should do.)

'Now clear Dems think they'll benefit. Schiff giving nooones etc more time, and discussing what sondland knew. . .'

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Response to elleng (Reply #118)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:31 PM

121. good to hear. I turned it off out of frustration

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:23 PM

117. MSNBC making the point that Trump's habit of communicating orders

through intermediaries is exactly how things are done in organized crime circles. They have just obliquely called our president a mob boss. eta- and I have no problem with that.

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Response to crickets (Reply #117)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:29 PM

119. The Dumbest Don tried to create his own crew

He desperately wants to be on the same mobster level as his daddy Vladdy, MbS, Erdogan, and Li'l Kim.

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Response to crickets (Reply #117)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:53 PM

126. Like Cohen said on the stand.

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:39 PM

124. Sondland back in the room

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Response to crickets (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:19 PM

128. Start a ew thread - hearings about to resume n/t

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