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Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:19 PM

I'm gonna tell you younger people something

During the Vietnam War, during Watergate, during the House Un-American Activities Committee, these Republicans were the same sniveling, sneering bunch of liars as they are now. Denials of the truth, telling lies right to your face, sneering at the opposition was all de riguer in those days as it is now.

Fuck these assholes: they deserve to lay for all eternity in burning coffins writhing and screaming in pain.

I’m so fucking mad I could spit

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Reply I'm gonna tell you younger people something (Original post)
PCIntern Nov 19 OP
DBoon Nov 19 #1
dewsgirl Nov 19 #3
TheRealNorth Nov 19 #7
dewsgirl Nov 19 #14
TheRealNorth Nov 19 #25
The Mouth Nov 19 #33
ancianita Nov 19 #17
dewsgirl Nov 19 #19
ancianita Nov 19 #24
ancianita Nov 19 #26
dewsgirl Nov 19 #31
ancianita Nov 19 #34
dewsgirl Nov 19 #39
the_sly_pig Nov 20 #149
The Mouth Nov 19 #36
appalachiablue Nov 19 #72
The Mouth Nov 19 #75
paleotn Nov 19 #79
The Mouth Nov 20 #140
sl8 Nov 20 #136
greymattermom Nov 20 #139
ancianita Nov 20 #141
tymorial Nov 19 #80
Celerity Nov 19 #86
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Skittles Nov 19 #97
Duppers Nov 19 #15
getagrip_already Nov 19 #16
Dr Hobbitstein Nov 19 #35
getagrip_already Nov 19 #38
Dr Hobbitstein Nov 19 #62
whathehell Nov 19 #100
Dr Hobbitstein Nov 19 #122
whathehell Nov 20 #143
Dr Hobbitstein Nov 20 #144
whathehell Nov 20 #145
oldsoftie Nov 19 #73
OneGrassRoot Nov 19 #120
ancianita Nov 19 #42
Dr Hobbitstein Nov 19 #64
Polybius Nov 19 #121
Dr Hobbitstein Nov 19 #123
Major Nikon Nov 19 #51
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Dr Hobbitstein Nov 19 #59
Major Nikon Nov 19 #85
ancianita Nov 19 #124
Captain Stern Nov 19 #61
oldsoftie Nov 19 #74
DBoon Nov 19 #103
Blecht Nov 19 #112
whathehell Nov 20 #142
cwydro Nov 20 #146
maxsolomon Nov 19 #18
Mr.Bill Nov 19 #27
2naSalit Nov 19 #58
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 19 #40
DBoon Nov 19 #105
cate94 Nov 19 #44
Dr Hobbitstein Nov 19 #65
cate94 Nov 19 #89
TruckFump Nov 19 #48
deurbano Nov 19 #56
DownriverDem Nov 19 #49
wnylib Nov 19 #52
tenderfoot Nov 19 #54
tymorial Nov 19 #81
tenderfoot Nov 19 #82
DBoon Nov 19 #106
tenderfoot Nov 19 #107
Sugarcoated Nov 19 #67
OhNo-Really Nov 19 #71
NCLefty Nov 19 #96
Blecht Nov 19 #111
NBachers Nov 19 #115
Randomthought Nov 19 #129
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alwaysinasnit Nov 19 #20
crickets Nov 19 #4
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cwydro Nov 19 #13
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whathehell Nov 19 #127
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Rainbow Droid Nov 19 #90
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stopdiggin Nov 19 #6
StarfishSaver Nov 19 #8
PCIntern Nov 19 #9
ChubbyStar Nov 19 #11
wryter2000 Nov 19 #69
JudyM Nov 19 #10
KPN Nov 19 #28
JudyM Nov 19 #116
BigmanPigman Nov 19 #12
WyattKansas Nov 19 #91
BigmanPigman Nov 19 #92
Brainfodder Nov 19 #22
ancianita Nov 19 #23
PCIntern Nov 19 #29
Buns_of_Fire Nov 19 #41
SpankMe Nov 19 #30
Sherman A1 Nov 19 #32
ancianita Nov 19 #37
appalachiablue Nov 19 #78
joost5 Nov 20 #148
Cartoonist Nov 19 #43
calimary Nov 19 #45
apnu Nov 19 #46
Harker Nov 20 #130
Caliman73 Nov 20 #133
TruckFump Nov 19 #47
H2O Man Nov 19 #50
PCIntern Nov 19 #95
H2O Man Nov 19 #108
bdamomma Nov 19 #53
meadowlander Nov 19 #55
FiveGoodMen Nov 20 #150
McKim Nov 19 #57
ananda Nov 19 #63
Loubee Nov 19 #66
JaneQPublic Nov 19 #68
BlueJac Nov 19 #70
erlewyne Nov 19 #76
soldierant Nov 19 #110
erlewyne Nov 19 #114
soldierant Nov 20 #151
Kurt V. Nov 19 #77
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Hekate Nov 19 #84
Skittles Nov 19 #98
BlancheSplanchnik Nov 19 #99
Mopar151 Nov 19 #119
Liberalhammer Nov 19 #102
UpInArms Nov 19 #113
Garrett78 Nov 19 #117
Harker Nov 19 #125
walkingman Nov 19 #126
Progressive Jones Nov 19 #128
Teach-only-love Nov 20 #131
PCIntern Nov 20 #135
dweller Nov 20 #132
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VOX Nov 20 #138
flamingdem Nov 20 #147

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:25 PM

1. ok boomer

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:33 PM

3. I am 42 and my son says this to me all the time.🙄

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:46 PM

7. I'm 42 and I said that to my Boomer Uncle

In the middle of one his "evil Democrat" rants.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:21 PM

14. Hey, that works.😉

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:34 PM

25. Yeah, at this point you can't have a conversation with the Trump cultists

If you refute one Faux News talking point, they just move to the next or engage in whataboutism. Never do they question, "what Faux News told me wasn't true- maybe shouldn't always trust them". That, or they just Don't care because winning at any costs is most important.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:53 PM

33. "Firehosing"

There's no way to counter the 6 hours of rapid fire lies they listen to every day in a 15 minute conversation even if they are being polite or paying attention.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:29 PM

17. Wow. So why does he say that?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:31 PM

19. Because it he is joking with me.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:33 PM

24. Ah. Got it.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:40 PM

26. If you WERE a boomer, how would you understand it? I ask because I meet folks who aren't joking.

Contempt for the old can come out in lots of ways, which I accept.

Yet when it comes to warning the young about the dangers of not taking serious governmental corruption seriously, the phrase seems spitefully know-it-all more than jokey.

Yet boomers have witnessed so much that informs the possible futures of the young.

Unless they know better than so many others, what informs their futures.

If so, they could at least offer come clues.

Just sayin'.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:46 PM

31. I think it can be very disrespectful, when the young are using

It to belittle older folks it is just plain mean. I have seen it on here were people are joking with one another, that's seems fine.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:53 PM

34. I get the joke here. I also respect the spirit of frustration voiced in the OP, even if I'd differ

in characterizing the Republicans back in boomer days.

I can also buy into the idea that the worst of them poisoned GOP politics to the level we're seeing today.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:58 PM

39. Unfortunately, I think you are correct.😔

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:51 PM

149. I think its fitting to be disrespectful.

As a first year GenX I remember sitting in 8th grade Biology in 1979 and thinking the trajectory of global solutions would have our problems solved by the time I retired.

Health care, education, public safety and world safety for that matter, all solved. How naive I was. I listened to boomers wax nostalgic about the 6% raises that they were given annually, bragging about working half a day because they had two black russians with lunch, smoking cigarettes at their desks, describing the low cost of a college education and the low cost of housing. I now ask myself what changed? After all, my parents provided for a family of five on one middle-class income.

Where did all the money go? Who voted for all this garbage? Where is all the rage from the 1960's?

Did someone pull up the ladder behind them? Boomers were in charge during the transition from taxes subsidizing society to taxes subsidizing profit.

During our recent election where a school bond issue was on the ballot the loudest and most ill-informed were, of course, boomers. "I don't want the traffic near our house", "I don't want the increased tax", "My kids already graduated" they said. They didn't care about classroom size and they didn't care about improved security measures.

They complained about the $220 increase in annual local tax because their Social Security benefits weren't enough. Government is bad. Government is wasteful. You need to learn to live within your means, they wrote. The diseased irony oblivious to the posters.

To be absolutely clear, to describe all boomers as narcissists is both ignorant and perverse. However, the rest of us cannot be blamed for looking at the state of the world we've inherited and demanding an explanation from those responsible. I believe, right or wrong, the world boomers were given is vastly different than the one being handed to Millenials. And not for the better.

In 1977 I thought the future meant wealth would less important than people. I was wrong. And my cohort is, and always has been, irrelevant.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:55 PM

36. Those who don't learn from the past

are condemned to repeat it.

And those of us who HAVE learned from the past are condemned to sit in agony as the people who didn't learn make all the same mistakes again

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:42 PM

72. Amen and so painful to watch younger ones make the mistakes

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #72)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:46 PM

75. Probably what our folks and grandparents said, too

Although we were probably more politically aware than most of our peers

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:53 PM

79. You sound like my father...

Until I finally learned how experienced and smart he really was. That's when I stopped making the same mistakes he made.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #79)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:31 AM

140. Didn't Mark Twain say

"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from mistakes", or some such.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 07:08 AM

136. "Smile when you call me that", The Virginian

Only half joking. The manner of delivery of comments like this seems to make all the difference.

Also, it turns out that my title is a misquote.


From http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/05/when-you-call-me-that-smile.html

The Virginian also gave us one of the iconic Western quotations: “When you call me that, SMILE!” (commonly misquoted as “Smile when you call me that!”)

This comes from a scene in which the Virginian is playing poker with the novel’s villain, a cowboy named Trampas. Here’s the part that includes the famous warning:

It was now the Virginian’s turn to bet, or leave the game, and he did not speak at once.

Therefore Trampas spoke. “Your bet, you son-of-a--.”

The Virginian’s pistol came out, and his hand lay on the table, holding it unaimed. And with a voice as gentle as ever, the voice that sounded almost like a caress, but drawling a very little more than usual, so that there was almost a space between each word, he issued his orders to the man Trampas: “When you call me that, SMILE.” And he looked at Trampas across the table.

Yes, the voice was gentle. But in my ears it seemed as if somewhere the bell of death was ringing; and silence, like a stroke, fell on the large room.


[...]



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Response to ancianita (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:30 AM

139. I tell my younger friends and relatives

that older folks know what it's like to be young, but younger folks have NO IDEA what it's like to be old. Usually there's no response. My youngest daughter thinks it's immoral to have children because we will all die in 20 years from global warming.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #139)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:33 AM

141. Exactly. Other cultures have figured this out, which is why elders are held with all due respect.

My own son, age 32, won't marry or have children for the same reason.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:59 PM

80. Does your son have any concept of generation timelines? Lol

I am 42 as well. I am drawn to the micro generation idea for people our age... born on the cusp of Gen X and Millennials. Xennials, Oregon Trail Generation, Generation Catalano (by far the stupidest label), Carter babies.

Whether we are Gen X or Xennials... I suppose its how we feel and approach the world. Xennial traits and experiences are my own. The one thing we are not however are boomers lol

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:18 PM

86. unless you have a birthday in the next 41 days, you are technically a Xennial (born 1977 to 1980)

aka Generation Catalano aka the Carter Babies

Generation Catalano

We’re not Gen X. We’re not Millennials.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/10/generation-catalano-the-generation-stuck-between-gen-x-and-the-millennials.html



I can relate as I am a 23yo Zennial (border Millennial/Gen Z'er) so also sorta not part of either Gens and yet part of both as well

https://theblacksheepagency.com/blog/a-note-from-a-zennial

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:57 PM

97. ?

should only be used on clueless boomers - what's wrong with him?

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:27 PM

15. Is that supposed to be a derogatory term?

Last edited Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:20 PM - Edit history (1)

What was derogatory about the OP - except that he used the term "you" which is normally used to put folks down - as in "You ____ (whatever)."

I'm sensitive, to both here.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:29 PM

16. I recognize your bigotry and am not impressed by it....

Why don't you just put the n word in that statement?

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:53 PM

35. Are you really comparing a word that baby boomers have used

 

to describe themselves for many years to a racial slur?

Ok, boomer.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:57 PM

38. I'm saying that dismissing an entire generation because they are older is bigotted.....

And there really isn't a distinction when it comes to levelsa of bigotry.

"Ok Boomer" is a dericive, dismissive term based in agism.

It isn't funny or cute.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:31 PM

62. No, it's a dismissive term based in being out of touch.

 

Pro-tip: if it’s not describing you, it’s not aimed at you. #notallboomers

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #62)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:31 PM

100. Lol.. When they show us something worth being "in touch" with

we'll let the kiddies know...Until then, this boomer just laughs at them.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #100)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:02 PM

122. OK, boomer. nt

 

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #122)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:57 AM

143. Ok, X'er.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #143)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:08 AM

144. Sweet! It does feel awesome to be called that! nt

 

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #144)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:11 AM

145. Sure

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:43 PM

73. I think you should look at your name if you're equating those two words

I'm a boomer & i laugh at that. Its easy to dismiss. Not nearly the same for anyone calling black folks the damn N word

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #73)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:56 PM

120. Word. n/t

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:02 PM

42. Boomers never gave themselves that name. Demographers did. MSM picked it up and, like

the word hippie, it's becoming a pejorative.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:32 PM

64. I didn't say they gave themselves that name.

 

But until Gen Z started dismissing boomers with “ok, Boomer”, boomers called themselves such.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:01 PM

121. No Generation gives themselves their names

Not Xers, Millennial's, or Z's. But X does sound the best. Not bragging or anything, but I'd love to be referred to as "OK Xer."

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Response to Polybius (Reply #121)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:04 PM

123. As an Xer, I agree. nt

 

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:19 PM

51. Username checks

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:25 PM

59. !

 

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #59)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:17 PM

85. Henceforth it shall be known as the "B" word

Not to be confused with the other “b” word.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:08 PM

124. ...

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:30 PM

61. Lighten up, Francis. n/t

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #61)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:45 PM

74. Now THATS something a Boomer would know immediately!!

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:47 PM

103. It' sarcasm and not bigotry

I'm 63 years old

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Response to DBoon (Reply #103)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:12 PM

112. It looks like some of our fellow boomers are a little sensitive. -- nt

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Response to Blecht (Reply #112)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:50 AM

142. It looks like some of our juniors are Passive Aggressive,

especially the Xers, who grew up in our shadow.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #103)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:16 AM

146. I don't get why so many missed it.

It was clear to me.

This thread is hilarious.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:31 PM

18. LOL, i see what you did there.

It's extra funny because D. Boon was a Boomer.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:42 PM

27. Here, pull my finger.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:25 PM

58. LOL!!!

I'm not sure why that's funny, but it sure made me laugh!

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:00 PM

40. Echo right back "Dude! You're an awesome kid!" . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:47 PM

105. Nobody has caled me "kid" in 40 years

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:08 PM

44. Okay Millie

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Response to cate94 (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:33 PM

65. Gen Z is more likely to use that phrase then Millennials.

 

And the one who used it here is ::checks notes:: a boomer.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:20 PM

89. My nephew is a millennial

He is the only person I’ve heard using this phrase. Meh. The ageism and divisiveness is not helpful. That is my point. No one likes being called names however benign.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:14 PM

48. I'm 71 and I say that to my gentleman friend who is 75.

Those 4 years count, right?

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:24 PM

56. Like I call my husband-- who is one and a half years younger-- my "trophy husband."

(Or perhaps, "Boy Toy."

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:16 PM

49. You sound

like a totally uninformed person. Not cute, just uninformed.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:19 PM

52. ok junior

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:22 PM

54. I think DBoon was being FACETIOUS

Since he too is a boomer.



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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:03 PM

81. Perhaps but if one is going to be facetious or sarcastic

One ought to compose the remarks in such a way as to make it obvious. That is not the case here and as a result Poe's law kicks in

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Response to tymorial (Reply #81)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:04 PM

82. I thought it was obvious

eom

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:48 PM

106. yes I was facetious

I never thought I'd have to explain something so obvious

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Response to DBoon (Reply #106)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:50 PM

107. A lot of silly responses...

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:34 PM

67. Ok Brah

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:42 PM

71. Perfect Thread Theft comment

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:55 PM

96. ok baby

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:08 PM

111. LOL

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:22 PM

115. Eh? Whadjoo say? Call me on my landline.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:47 PM

129. really offensive

As a 70 year old life long liberal I find "OK boomer" very offensive.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:30 PM

2. I think John Dean's book from several years ago on the RW Authoriarian nature sort of says it all

Since then there have been studies confirming the differences between people who are attracted to highly conservative views versus more liberal/progresssive.

This is on display today.

The Dean book to which I refer was "Conservatives Without Conscience"

Here is a short review of it from Amazon:

At some point in the recent past the words conservative and Republican merged into one thing: authoritarianism. Masquerading as a champion of small government, as a proud yet humble Christian, as a deeply committed family man or woman, and as a staunch believer in speaking loudly AND carrying a very big and dangerous stick, the contemporary conservative Republican is nothing more or less than an authoritarian for whom there there is only "my way" or the highway. Under the guise of fabricated purity, the authoritarian can justify any ugliness (lying, crime and torture) to get what he or she wants. The authoritarian leader and, perhaps more importantly, the authoritarian follower who gives this leader his political power, feel no shame and have no conscience.

The roots of this authoritarianism are old. It's public debut as an essential characteristic of Republican politics happens during the Nixon presidency, matures during the Bush/Cheney years (when Dean wrote this volume), and comes roaring now out of the cave where Donald Trump was spawned. We should be alarmed. Very alarmed.

Dean's writing combines history (from the point of view of a political insider) and the science of psychology and may be more relevant today than it was a decade ago when it first came out.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:32 PM

20. Thanks for the tip.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:38 PM

4. I hear ya. Preach. nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:45 PM

5. How many more times do we all have to go through this?

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Response to Rainbow Droid (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:20 PM

13. This reminds me of the "wypipo" uproar earlier this year.

Too funny.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:18 PM

87. I don't think you could have misunderstood me any more than that.

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Response to Rainbow Droid (Reply #87)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:28 PM

93. Lol, I was actually agreeing with you.

I thought you were saying this is much ado about nothing.

Perhaps I misunderstood. A thousand apologies.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #93)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:42 PM

101. How could you possibly think that? No no, not my post, but how this is

"Much ado about nothing"

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Response to Rainbow Droid (Reply #101)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:47 PM

104. I think younger people complaining about older people and vice versa is much ado about nothing.

It is as it ever was.

And will always be.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #104)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:51 PM

118. It is, yes, but how is it relevant to either the OP or my comment? Sorry if I seem thick, but...

the OP was not complaining about young people or old people, and neither was I. I do not understand how you could see that in either their post or mine, unless you only read the subject of the OP, assumed this was another of "those" threads, and started posting comments immediately.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:38 PM

127. Are you sure

it's not three funny?...Just sayin'.

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Response to Rainbow Droid (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:32 PM

21. It is eternal.

So, infinite times.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:19 PM

88. Thanks for that. On topic and obviously needed to be said.

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Response to Rainbow Droid (Reply #88)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:29 PM

94. Oh, I thought you were asking about the OP.

As in, we will go through this an infinite number of times, because the Authoritarian impulse is eternal, and part of Human Nature.

Did I misunderstand? I'm a Boomer, after all...

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #94)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:02 PM

109. You both saw different things in my post and then instantly assumed I agreed with your point of view

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Response to Rainbow Droid (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:27 PM

60. Rainbow.......

I truly fear that this is the last time we will see this if they succeed.......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #60)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:20 PM

90. Yeah well, how many more times is it going to take?

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Response to Rainbow Droid (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 05:36 AM

134. It gets worse each time

We lose far more ground than we can make up in between.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:46 PM

6. no. they weren't.

what it means to be conservative (and Republican) has changed a LOT. (and that said by someone that didn't CARE much for a lot of them back in the 'good old days') But they didn't think truth was something that was just a temporary inconvenience. Stephen Miller wouldn't have gotten within five miles of the White House. And they would have jeered at your claim that the president was above the law. That, and a good deal more, force me to say .. THIS is a different breed of cat entirely.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:46 PM

8. Thank you.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:04 PM

9. Respectfully disagree

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:11 PM

11. I am with you

What the "conservatives" had then that they do NOT have now, was an ability to fool people, without the scrutiny of 2019. They are the fathers and mothers of this current crop of assholes.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:39 PM

69. They told Nixon he had to go

I remember one of them crying on tv because his President had "lied to me." This bunch knows Trump lies all the time, but how many would admit it? How many care?

I will agree there was McCarthy, but they learned something from that. And certainly, the Republican party at the time contained the roots of what we see now, esp. racism. But none of them would behaved the way Jordan does.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:05 PM

10. Yes, AND getting progressively worse and more unabashedly flagrant.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:42 PM

28. Exactly. They've always been the assholes they are. They've just gotten worse.

These days, they don't care because they think they are winning (which they have been at least on the economic, climate and defense fronts) and about to actually win the domestic war they've been covertly, until now, waging against Democrats and genuine, functioning democracy.

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Response to KPN (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:41 PM

116. Plus they see how low our country's integrity bar is, and are gleefully pushing it lower

all the time because they can get away with it.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:18 PM

12. I hope they suffer in their next life too,

if they are reincarnated. I hope that if they are guarenteed to suffer in unimaginable pain that they will live to be 110 years old.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:21 PM

91. That is my secret wish...

That they and everybody who does others wrong are condemned to living their next life as the victims of what they themselves are guilty of doing to others... Without the illusion of time determining a past or present.

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Response to WyattKansas (Reply #91)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:25 PM

92. My wish is that you and I get our wishes granted!

I'll ask Santa too.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:32 PM

22. Looking for clean up in aisle D.C. too eh?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:33 PM

23. I'd tell younger people that SOME were, but not enough to back a scofflaw Executive Branch.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:42 PM

29. Many were

Watch YouTube Mccarthy hearings. Horrifying

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:02 PM

41. And Roy Cohn was right there at McCarthy's side.

The same Roy Cohn who was the orange skidmark's mentor.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:44 PM

30. And another thing, youngsters...

1. Get off my lawn!

and

2. Don't get old. It sucks.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:51 PM

32. I believe Harry Truman summed up the essence of the Republican way.

On 13 October 1948, President Harry Truman made an appearance in St. Paul, Minnesota, stumping on behalf of both his own re-election campaign and a bid by the mayor of Minneapolis, fellow Democrat Hubert Humphrey, to land a seat in the U.S. Senate. During that appearance in St. Paul, President Truman delivered an address at the city’s Municipal Auditorium which was carried on a nationwide radio broadcast and included the criticism of the Republican Party.

"Today the forces of liberalism face a crisis. The people of the United States must make a choice between two ways of living — a decision which will affect us the rest of our lives and our children and our grandchildren after us.

On the other side, there is the Wall Street way of life and politics. Trust the leader! Let big business take care of prices and profits! Measure all things by money! That is the philosophy of the masters of the Republican Party.

Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues.

Since they won’t tell you themselves, I am going to tell you.

They approve of the American farmer — but they are willing to help him go broke.

They stand four-square for the American home — but not for housing.

They are strong for labor — but they are stronger for restricting labor’s rights.

They favor a minimum wage — the smaller the minimum the better.

They indorse educational opportunity for all — but they won’t spend money for teachers or for schools.

They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine — for people who can afford them.

They approve of Social Security benefits — so much so that they took them away from almost a million people.

They believe in international trade — so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement.

They favor the admission of displaced persons — but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.

They consider electric power a great blessing — but only when the private power companies get their rake-off.

They say TVA is wonderful — but we ought never to try it again.

They condemn “cruelly high prices” — but fight to the death every effort to bring them down.

They think the American standard of living is a fine thing — so long as it doesn’t spread to all the people.

And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.

Now, my friends, that is the Wall Street Republican way of life. But there is another way — there is another way — the Democratic way, the way of the Democratic Party."

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:56 PM

37. Amen. That's who they are today. Only with corporatist, global dark money behind them.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:52 PM

78. Harry got them to the core, thanks for posting.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:14 PM

148. +1 K&R

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:03 PM

43. Yes?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:09 PM

45. Me too, PCIntern!

I am seething with fury.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:11 PM

46. Thanks man

I was born in 1973, so I have no real context. For me, my political experience with Republicans as a party starts around 1980.

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Response to apnu (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:19 AM

130. A watershed year, as I recall.

And they've been getting worse by leaps and bounds since then.

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Response to apnu (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:46 AM

133. They were still assholes then too.

You and I were born in the same year. I had a visceral dislike of Ronald Reagan even as a child. A popular show where I was growing up was the Wally George show, some of the people I went to school liked it. I hated it because of the xenophobia and stupidity.

Reagan, Barr, GHW Bush, Oliver North, and John Poindexter sold missiles illegally to Iran to steal the 1980 election and funneled the money illegally to right wing death squads in Nicaragua to topple a duly elected left wing government. They were put on trial and several of Reagan's henchmen were convicted, but GHW Bush under Barr's guidance pardoned them placing them out of the reach of justice.

Republicans have been disgusting jerks for a long time with some notable exceptions.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:12 PM

47. Yep.

They are EVIL!!!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:18 PM

50. Recommended.

I agree 100%. I remember them well, and your description is absolutely spot-on. I often tell people who have been fooled into believing otherwise -- that noble republicans got Nixon out of office, for example -- to watch the House hearings on Watergate. Or the Senate Investigation, for that matter.

Thanks for this.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:51 PM

95. Ex-actly!!!!

Ya had to be there!!!

😁and 🤬

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #95)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:00 PM

108. When I was

discussing this general topic with my children, I told them that this crop of republicans is as similar to the 1960s - '70s as the dandelions from each era. When I see their and their friends' reactions to the obnoxious shit the current crop is doing, it reminds me of when I was young. The only difference is that the internet didn't exist then. But we had great underground newspapers.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:22 PM

53. They have never taken their oaths

seriously. All for themselves and not for the citizens of the country.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:23 PM

55. Margaret on the Guillotine

“People like you make me feel so tired/ when will you die?”

The really depressing thing is when they are in their 20s and 30s. Like who is raising these heartless idiots?

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:12 PM

150. "Like who is raising these heartless idiots?"

The Southern Baptist Church

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:24 PM

57. Let's Not Get Divisive

Kudos to the writer of this original post. I agree, there is a thread of bad behavior by republicans that has been the same for many decades. It’s important to remember historical facts. Now, please, do not bash boomers.

This is a way to divide us! As an aging boomer, I worked against the wars in Vietnam, Gulf, Iraq and a hypothetical war on Iran. I am probably to the left of most on this site and have given contributions to good candidates, had a fundraiser for our democratic senator last week, supported immigrants, given money to every good cause and I do not want to be bashed. Many old boomers have been upholding The Good for decades. I want a better future for young people who have really been given a raw deal! Let’s work together!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:31 PM

63. I know.

Since the Great Depression, anyone who voted for a Reep
must have an economic death wish.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:34 PM

66. Omitting the screaming in burning coffins, etc., Yes, it's true . . .

I'm 71 years old--the only thing that's changed over time since Nixon is that there are fewer and fewer Republicans with any shame at all. The whole lot would kill their grannies and sell their children for money and power.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:35 PM

68. Don't forget Iran-Contra (nt)

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:41 PM

70. K&R

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:49 PM

76. Lyndon Johnson and the Gulf of Tonkin

LBJ got us into the Viet Nam War, he was a Democrat (Texas Oil).

I am a Viet Nam Vet and have never ever voted G.O.P. I served in 1968, I was drafted.
And as much as I loathe the G.O.P. I remember those miserable years, 67, 68, and
69. Viet Nam was an oil war. Only, there was no oil. It had promises (Shell got us there).

Every conflict we have since then is oil related,

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Response to erlewyne (Reply #76)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:07 PM

110. I'm 74, and I'm pretty sure

we were in Vietnam before LBJ.

But, regardless who got us there, it was wrong, yes.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #110)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:04 PM

114. Those are shady days.

We fought in Vietnam after LBJ was president. We (Army) were there for
Shell with the French already. The gulf of Tomkin was the key. It
was as fabricated as the Iraq War. The Vietnam crap was for rich
pockets (Oil). I was there in the infantry, this is not make-believe.



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Response to erlewyne (Reply #114)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:46 PM

151. Yes, I thought we were there with the French.

I saw the Gulf of Tonkin as escalation of our presence rather than something new.
Either way, yes, it was fabricated, and all for oil and rich pockets - no quarrel there.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:51 PM

77. seeing how most young democrats have only seen the party of newt, does that

History really matter?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:07 PM

83. That's what I remember, too, Doctor.

A life lesson from George Chapman:

“Young men think old men are fools; but old men know young men are fools.”

I remember the National Guard killings at Kent State and my good friend’s brother was dead in Vietnam. Nixon on the tee vee promised peace with honor. My other friend’s brother came back from Vietnam and told us it was all a big lie. This 15-year old was confused. And I grew up knowing many, if not most, of the bastards in charge were liars, crooks, murderers, and traitors.

The right wingers were wrong then and they’re wrong now. I don’t blame the young people for being angry about today’s state of affairs. The thing they might not have heard, we tried to do something about it — and more than a few of us are still at it. We call it the Good Fight.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:16 PM

84. What you said

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:58 PM

98. I hear you PCIntern

it's disgusting

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:08 PM

99. There is something wrong with the conservative mind,

Some kind of profound inability to reflect on themselves, and a comfort with dishonesty that I don’t understand.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #99)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:52 PM

119. They stole "conservative" from the "Main Street Republicans"

It is a lot more comforting than reactionaries, fascists, or the various Neo-Orc movements "true lies"!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:42 PM

102. Settle down man

I'm off your lawn.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:30 PM

113. W have been in the fight for our lives

All of our lives ...I can only hope there are those who follow us who will continue the fight

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:43 PM

117. Quite a few folks seem to long for a Republican Party that never existed.

Some mythical pre-Trump party that wasn't harmful to people and planet.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:25 PM

125. Would someone please remind me where this started? n/t

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:34 PM

126. These same nasty bastards have been around all of my life (born 1950). There are not going anywhere

anytime soon. I continue to just hope that there are more good people than bad.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:39 PM

128. I'm 60. My 33 yo son is a fucking Trumpflake, and an entitled asshole.

What's a boomer to do?

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:21 AM

131. No, they have not always been this bad.

 

I might have disagreed with them on many things, but they had some people of honor.

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Response to Teach-only-love (Reply #131)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 07:01 AM

135. They weren't the people out front though

Sorry to say.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:31 AM

132. when anyone wants to boomer me

i recline on my side, and advise the whipersnapper " check me out with that when you're my age"
https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/evj98k/millennials-will-get-sick-and-die-faster-than-the-previous-generation

cough...


✌🏼

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 08:38 AM

137. BRAVO!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 08:42 AM

138. Same old shit, just cruder packaging now.

The “product” is quite visible for all to see, and it stinks.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:41 AM

147. I've always hated them

Very few are trustworthy, we've seen that again and again.

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