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PCIntern

(26,938 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:19 PM Nov 2019

I'm gonna tell you younger people something

During the Vietnam War, during Watergate, during the House Un-American Activities Committee, these Republicans were the same sniveling, sneering bunch of liars as they are now. Denials of the truth, telling lies right to your face, sneering at the opposition was all de riguer in those days as it is now.

Fuck these assholes: they deserve to lay for all eternity in burning coffins writhing and screaming in pain.

I’m so fucking mad I could spit

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I'm gonna tell you younger people something (Original Post) PCIntern Nov 2019 OP
ok boomer DBoon Nov 2019 #1
I am 42 and my son says this to me all the time.🙄 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #3
I'm 42 and I said that to my Boomer Uncle TheRealNorth Nov 2019 #7
Hey, that works.😉 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #14
Yeah, at this point you can't have a conversation with the Trump cultists TheRealNorth Nov 2019 #25
"Firehosing" The Mouth Nov 2019 #33
Wow. So why does he say that? ancianita Nov 2019 #17
Because it he is joking with me. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #19
Ah. Got it. ancianita Nov 2019 #24
If you WERE a boomer, how would you understand it? I ask because I meet folks who aren't joking. ancianita Nov 2019 #26
I think it can be very disrespectful, when the young are using dewsgirl Nov 2019 #31
I get the joke here. I also respect the spirit of frustration voiced in the OP, even if I'd differ ancianita Nov 2019 #34
Unfortunately, I think you are correct.😔 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #39
I think its fitting to be disrespectful. the_sly_pig Nov 2019 #149
Those who don't learn from the past The Mouth Nov 2019 #36
Amen and so painful to watch younger ones make the mistakes appalachiablue Nov 2019 #72
Probably what our folks and grandparents said, too The Mouth Nov 2019 #75
You sound like my father... paleotn Nov 2019 #79
Didn't Mark Twain say The Mouth Nov 2019 #140
"Smile when you call me that", The Virginian sl8 Nov 2019 #136
I tell my younger friends and relatives greymattermom Nov 2019 #139
Exactly. Other cultures have figured this out, which is why elders are held with all due respect. ancianita Nov 2019 #141
Does your son have any concept of generation timelines? Lol tymorial Nov 2019 #80
unless you have a birthday in the next 41 days, you are technically a Xennial (born 1977 to 1980) Celerity Nov 2019 #86
? Skittles Nov 2019 #97
Is that supposed to be a derogatory term? Duppers Nov 2019 #15
I recognize your bigotry and am not impressed by it.... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #16
Are you really comparing a word that baby boomers have used Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #35
I'm saying that dismissing an entire generation because they are older is bigotted..... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #38
No, it's a dismissive term based in being out of touch. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #62
Lol.. When they show us something worth being "in touch" with whathehell Nov 2019 #100
OK, boomer. nt Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #122
Ok, X'er. whathehell Nov 2019 #143
Sweet! It does feel awesome to be called that! nt Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #144
Sure whathehell Nov 2019 #145
I think you should look at your name if you're equating those two words oldsoftie Nov 2019 #73
Word. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2019 #120
Boomers never gave themselves that name. Demographers did. MSM picked it up and, like ancianita Nov 2019 #42
I didn't say they gave themselves that name. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #64
No Generation gives themselves their names Polybius Nov 2019 #121
As an Xer, I agree. nt Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #123
Username checks Major Nikon Nov 2019 #51
! Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #59
Henceforth it shall be known as the "B" word Major Nikon Nov 2019 #85
... ancianita Nov 2019 #124
Lighten up, Francis. n/t Captain Stern Nov 2019 #61
Now THATS something a Boomer would know immediately!! oldsoftie Nov 2019 #74
It' sarcasm and not bigotry DBoon Nov 2019 #103
It looks like some of our fellow boomers are a little sensitive. -- nt Blecht Nov 2019 #112
It looks like some of our juniors are Passive Aggressive, whathehell Nov 2019 #142
I don't get why so many missed it. cwydro Nov 2019 #146
LOL, i see what you did there. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #18
Here, pull my finger. Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #27
LOL!!! 2naSalit Nov 2019 #58
Echo right back "Dude! You're an awesome kid!" . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #40
Nobody has caled me "kid" in 40 years DBoon Nov 2019 #105
Okay Millie cate94 Nov 2019 #44
Gen Z is more likely to use that phrase then Millennials. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2019 #65
My nephew is a millennial cate94 Nov 2019 #89
I'm 71 and I say that to my gentleman friend who is 75. TruckFump Nov 2019 #48
Like I call my husband-- who is one and a half years younger-- my "trophy husband." deurbano Nov 2019 #56
You sound DownriverDem Nov 2019 #49
ok junior wnylib Nov 2019 #52
I think DBoon was being FACETIOUS tenderfoot Nov 2019 #54
Perhaps but if one is going to be facetious or sarcastic tymorial Nov 2019 #81
I thought it was obvious tenderfoot Nov 2019 #82
yes I was facetious DBoon Nov 2019 #106
A lot of silly responses... tenderfoot Nov 2019 #107
Ok Brah Sugarcoated Nov 2019 #67
Perfect Thread Theft comment OhNo-Really Nov 2019 #71
ok baby NCLefty Nov 2019 #96
LOL Blecht Nov 2019 #111
Eh? Whadjoo say? Call me on my landline. NBachers Nov 2019 #115
really offensive Randomthought Nov 2019 #129
I think John Dean's book from several years ago on the RW Authoriarian nature sort of says it all hlthe2b Nov 2019 #2
Thanks for the tip. alwaysinasnit Nov 2019 #20
I hear ya. Preach. nt crickets Nov 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Nov 2019 #5
This reminds me of the "wypipo" uproar earlier this year. cwydro Nov 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Nov 2019 #87
Lol, I was actually agreeing with you. cwydro Nov 2019 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Nov 2019 #101
I think younger people complaining about older people and vice versa is much ado about nothing. cwydro Nov 2019 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Nov 2019 #118
Are you sure whathehell Nov 2019 #127
It is eternal. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Nov 2019 #88
Oh, I thought you were asking about the OP. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Nov 2019 #109
Rainbow....... DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Nov 2019 #90
It gets worse each time Cosmocat Nov 2019 #134
no. they weren't. stopdiggin Nov 2019 #6
Thank you. StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #8
Respectfully disagree PCIntern Nov 2019 #9
I am with you ChubbyStar Nov 2019 #11
They told Nixon he had to go wryter2000 Nov 2019 #69
Yes, AND getting progressively worse and more unabashedly flagrant. JudyM Nov 2019 #10
Exactly. They've always been the assholes they are. They've just gotten worse. KPN Nov 2019 #28
Plus they see how low our country's integrity bar is, and are gleefully pushing it lower JudyM Nov 2019 #116
I hope they suffer in their next life too, BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #12
That is my secret wish... WyattKansas Nov 2019 #91
My wish is that you and I get our wishes granted! BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #92
Looking for clean up in aisle D.C. too eh? Brainfodder Nov 2019 #22
I'd tell younger people that SOME were, but not enough to back a scofflaw Executive Branch. ancianita Nov 2019 #23
Many were PCIntern Nov 2019 #29
And Roy Cohn was right there at McCarthy's side. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2019 #41
And another thing, youngsters... SpankMe Nov 2019 #30
I believe Harry Truman summed up the essence of the Republican way. Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #32
Amen. That's who they are today. Only with corporatist, global dark money behind them. ancianita Nov 2019 #37
Harry got them to the core, thanks for posting. appalachiablue Nov 2019 #78
+1 K&R joost5 Nov 2019 #148
Yes? Cartoonist Nov 2019 #43
Me too, PCIntern! calimary Nov 2019 #45
Thanks man apnu Nov 2019 #46
A watershed year, as I recall. Harker Nov 2019 #130
They were still assholes then too. Caliman73 Nov 2019 #133
Yep. TruckFump Nov 2019 #47
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2019 #50
Ex-actly!!!! PCIntern Nov 2019 #95
When I was H2O Man Nov 2019 #108
They have never taken their oaths bdamomma Nov 2019 #53
Margaret on the Guillotine meadowlander Nov 2019 #55
"Like who is raising these heartless idiots?" FiveGoodMen Nov 2019 #150
Let's Not Get Divisive McKim Nov 2019 #57
I know. ananda Nov 2019 #63
Omitting the screaming in burning coffins, etc., Yes, it's true . . . Loubee Nov 2019 #66
Don't forget Iran-Contra (nt) JaneQPublic Nov 2019 #68
K&R BlueJac Nov 2019 #70
Lyndon Johnson and the Gulf of Tonkin erlewyne Nov 2019 #76
I'm 74, and I'm pretty sure soldierant Nov 2019 #110
Those are shady days. erlewyne Nov 2019 #114
Yes, I thought we were there with the French. soldierant Nov 2019 #151
seeing how most young democrats have only seen the party of newt, does that Kurt V. Nov 2019 #77
That's what I remember, too, Doctor. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #83
What you said Hekate Nov 2019 #84
I hear you PCIntern Skittles Nov 2019 #98
There is something wrong with the conservative mind, BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2019 #99
They stole "conservative" from the "Main Street Republicans" Mopar151 Nov 2019 #119
Settle down man Liberalhammer Nov 2019 #102
W have been in the fight for our lives UpInArms Nov 2019 #113
Quite a few folks seem to long for a Republican Party that never existed. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #117
Would someone please remind me where this started? n/t Harker Nov 2019 #125
These same nasty bastards have been around all of my life (born 1950). There are not going anywhere walkingman Nov 2019 #126
I'm 60. My 33 yo son is a fucking Trumpflake, and an entitled asshole. Progressive Jones Nov 2019 #128
No, they have not always been this bad. Teach-only-love Nov 2019 #131
They weren't the people out front though PCIntern Nov 2019 #135
when anyone wants to boomer me dweller Nov 2019 #132
BRAVO! HAB911 Nov 2019 #137
Same old shit, just cruder packaging now. VOX Nov 2019 #138
I've always hated them flamingdem Nov 2019 #147

TheRealNorth

(9,629 posts)
25. Yeah, at this point you can't have a conversation with the Trump cultists
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:34 PM
Nov 2019

If you refute one Faux News talking point, they just move to the next or engage in whataboutism. Never do they question, "what Faux News told me wasn't true- maybe shouldn't always trust them". That, or they just Don't care because winning at any costs is most important.

The Mouth

(3,297 posts)
33. "Firehosing"
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:53 PM
Nov 2019

There's no way to counter the 6 hours of rapid fire lies they listen to every day in a 15 minute conversation even if they are being polite or paying attention.

ancianita

(38,743 posts)
26. If you WERE a boomer, how would you understand it? I ask because I meet folks who aren't joking.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:40 PM
Nov 2019

Contempt for the old can come out in lots of ways, which I accept.

Yet when it comes to warning the young about the dangers of not taking serious governmental corruption seriously, the phrase seems spitefully know-it-all more than jokey.

Yet boomers have witnessed so much that informs the possible futures of the young.

Unless they know better than so many others, what informs their futures.

If so, they could at least offer come clues.

Just sayin'.

dewsgirl

(14,964 posts)
31. I think it can be very disrespectful, when the young are using
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:46 PM
Nov 2019

It to belittle older folks it is just plain mean. I have seen it on here were people are joking with one another, that's seems fine.

ancianita

(38,743 posts)
34. I get the joke here. I also respect the spirit of frustration voiced in the OP, even if I'd differ
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:53 PM
Nov 2019

in characterizing the Republicans back in boomer days.

I can also buy into the idea that the worst of them poisoned GOP politics to the level we're seeing today.

the_sly_pig

(748 posts)
149. I think its fitting to be disrespectful.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:51 PM
Nov 2019

As a first year GenX I remember sitting in 8th grade Biology in 1979 and thinking the trajectory of global solutions would have our problems solved by the time I retired.

Health care, education, public safety and world safety for that matter, all solved. How naive I was. I listened to boomers wax nostalgic about the 6% raises that they were given annually, bragging about working half a day because they had two black russians with lunch, smoking cigarettes at their desks, describing the low cost of a college education and the low cost of housing. I now ask myself what changed? After all, my parents provided for a family of five on one middle-class income.

Where did all the money go? Who voted for all this garbage? Where is all the rage from the 1960's?

Did someone pull up the ladder behind them? Boomers were in charge during the transition from taxes subsidizing society to taxes subsidizing profit.

During our recent election where a school bond issue was on the ballot the loudest and most ill-informed were, of course, boomers. "I don't want the traffic near our house", "I don't want the increased tax", "My kids already graduated" they said. They didn't care about classroom size and they didn't care about improved security measures.

They complained about the $220 increase in annual local tax because their Social Security benefits weren't enough. Government is bad. Government is wasteful. You need to learn to live within your means, they wrote. The diseased irony oblivious to the posters.

To be absolutely clear, to describe all boomers as narcissists is both ignorant and perverse. However, the rest of us cannot be blamed for looking at the state of the world we've inherited and demanding an explanation from those responsible. I believe, right or wrong, the world boomers were given is vastly different than the one being handed to Millenials. And not for the better.

In 1977 I thought the future meant wealth would less important than people. I was wrong. And my cohort is, and always has been, irrelevant.

The Mouth

(3,297 posts)
36. Those who don't learn from the past
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:55 PM
Nov 2019

are condemned to repeat it.

And those of us who HAVE learned from the past are condemned to sit in agony as the people who didn't learn make all the same mistakes again

The Mouth

(3,297 posts)
75. Probably what our folks and grandparents said, too
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:46 PM
Nov 2019

Although we were probably more politically aware than most of our peers

paleotn

(19,362 posts)
79. You sound like my father...
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:53 PM
Nov 2019

Until I finally learned how experienced and smart he really was. That's when I stopped making the same mistakes he made.

The Mouth

(3,297 posts)
140. Didn't Mark Twain say
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:31 AM
Nov 2019

"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from mistakes", or some such.

sl8

(16,252 posts)
136. "Smile when you call me that", The Virginian
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 07:08 AM
Nov 2019

Only half joking. The manner of delivery of comments like this seems to make all the difference.

Also, it turns out that my title is a misquote.


From http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/05/when-you-call-me-that-smile.html

The Virginian also gave us one of the iconic Western quotations: “When you call me that, SMILE!” (commonly misquoted as “Smile when you call me that!”)

This comes from a scene in which the Virginian is playing poker with the novel’s villain, a cowboy named Trampas. Here’s the part that includes the famous warning:

It was now the Virginian’s turn to bet, or leave the game, and he did not speak at once.

Therefore Trampas spoke. “Your bet, you son-of-a--.”

The Virginian’s pistol came out, and his hand lay on the table, holding it unaimed. And with a voice as gentle as ever, the voice that sounded almost like a caress, but drawling a very little more than usual, so that there was almost a space between each word, he issued his orders to the man Trampas: “When you call me that, SMILE.” And he looked at Trampas across the table.

Yes, the voice was gentle. But in my ears it seemed as if somewhere the bell of death was ringing; and silence, like a stroke, fell on the large room.


[...]



greymattermom

(5,795 posts)
139. I tell my younger friends and relatives
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:30 AM
Nov 2019

that older folks know what it's like to be young, but younger folks have NO IDEA what it's like to be old. Usually there's no response. My youngest daughter thinks it's immoral to have children because we will all die in 20 years from global warming.

ancianita

(38,743 posts)
141. Exactly. Other cultures have figured this out, which is why elders are held with all due respect.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:33 AM
Nov 2019

My own son, age 32, won't marry or have children for the same reason.

Thanks for your thoughts.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
80. Does your son have any concept of generation timelines? Lol
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:59 PM
Nov 2019

I am 42 as well. I am drawn to the micro generation idea for people our age... born on the cusp of Gen X and Millennials. Xennials, Oregon Trail Generation, Generation Catalano (by far the stupidest label), Carter babies.

Whether we are Gen X or Xennials... I suppose its how we feel and approach the world. Xennial traits and experiences are my own. The one thing we are not however are boomers lol

Celerity

(46,492 posts)
86. unless you have a birthday in the next 41 days, you are technically a Xennial (born 1977 to 1980)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:18 PM
Nov 2019

aka Generation Catalano aka the Carter Babies

Generation Catalano

We’re not Gen X. We’re not Millennials.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/10/generation-catalano-the-generation-stuck-between-gen-x-and-the-millennials.html



I can relate as I am a 23yo Zennial (border Millennial/Gen Z'er) so also sorta not part of either Gens and yet part of both as well

https://theblacksheepagency.com/blog/a-note-from-a-zennial

Duppers

(28,257 posts)
15. Is that supposed to be a derogatory term?
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:27 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:20 PM - Edit history (1)

What was derogatory about the OP - except that he used the term "you" which is normally used to put folks down - as in "You ____ (whatever)."

I'm sensitive, to both here.

getagrip_already

(17,486 posts)
16. I recognize your bigotry and am not impressed by it....
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:29 PM
Nov 2019

Why don't you just put the n word in that statement?

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
35. Are you really comparing a word that baby boomers have used
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:53 PM
Nov 2019

to describe themselves for many years to a racial slur?

Ok, boomer.

getagrip_already

(17,486 posts)
38. I'm saying that dismissing an entire generation because they are older is bigotted.....
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:57 PM
Nov 2019

And there really isn't a distinction when it comes to levelsa of bigotry.

"Ok Boomer" is a dericive, dismissive term based in agism.

It isn't funny or cute.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
62. No, it's a dismissive term based in being out of touch.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:31 PM
Nov 2019

Pro-tip: if it’s not describing you, it’s not aimed at you. #notallboomers

whathehell

(29,835 posts)
100. Lol.. When they show us something worth being "in touch" with
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:31 PM
Nov 2019

we'll let the kiddies know...Until then, this boomer just laughs at them.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
73. I think you should look at your name if you're equating those two words
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:43 PM
Nov 2019

I'm a boomer & i laugh at that. Its easy to dismiss. Not nearly the same for anyone calling black folks the damn N word

ancianita

(38,743 posts)
42. Boomers never gave themselves that name. Demographers did. MSM picked it up and, like
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:02 PM
Nov 2019

the word hippie, it's becoming a pejorative.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
64. I didn't say they gave themselves that name.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:32 PM
Nov 2019

But until Gen Z started dismissing boomers with “ok, Boomer”, boomers called themselves such.

Polybius

(18,084 posts)
121. No Generation gives themselves their names
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:01 PM
Nov 2019

Not Xers, Millennial's, or Z's. But X does sound the best. Not bragging or anything, but I'd love to be referred to as "OK Xer."

whathehell

(29,835 posts)
142. It looks like some of our juniors are Passive Aggressive,
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:50 AM
Nov 2019

especially the Xers, who grew up in our shadow.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
65. Gen Z is more likely to use that phrase then Millennials.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:33 PM
Nov 2019

And the one who used it here is ::checks notes:: a boomer.

cate94

(2,891 posts)
89. My nephew is a millennial
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:20 PM
Nov 2019

He is the only person I’ve heard using this phrase. Meh. The ageism and divisiveness is not helpful. That is my point. No one likes being called names however benign.

deurbano

(2,959 posts)
56. Like I call my husband-- who is one and a half years younger-- my "trophy husband."
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:24 PM
Nov 2019

(Or perhaps, "Boy Toy.&quot

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
81. Perhaps but if one is going to be facetious or sarcastic
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:03 PM
Nov 2019

One ought to compose the remarks in such a way as to make it obvious. That is not the case here and as a result Poe's law kicks in

hlthe2b

(106,550 posts)
2. I think John Dean's book from several years ago on the RW Authoriarian nature sort of says it all
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:30 PM
Nov 2019

Since then there have been studies confirming the differences between people who are attracted to highly conservative views versus more liberal/progresssive.

This is on display today.

The Dean book to which I refer was "Conservatives Without Conscience"

Here is a short review of it from Amazon:

At some point in the recent past the words conservative and Republican merged into one thing: authoritarianism. Masquerading as a champion of small government, as a proud yet humble Christian, as a deeply committed family man or woman, and as a staunch believer in speaking loudly AND carrying a very big and dangerous stick, the contemporary conservative Republican is nothing more or less than an authoritarian for whom there there is only "my way" or the highway. Under the guise of fabricated purity, the authoritarian can justify any ugliness (lying, crime and torture) to get what he or she wants. The authoritarian leader and, perhaps more importantly, the authoritarian follower who gives this leader his political power, feel no shame and have no conscience.

The roots of this authoritarianism are old. It's public debut as an essential characteristic of Republican politics happens during the Nixon presidency, matures during the Bush/Cheney years (when Dean wrote this volume), and comes roaring now out of the cave where Donald Trump was spawned. We should be alarmed. Very alarmed.

Dean's writing combines history (from the point of view of a political insider) and the science of psychology and may be more relevant today than it was a decade ago when it first came out.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #13)

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
93. Lol, I was actually agreeing with you.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:28 PM
Nov 2019

I thought you were saying this is much ado about nothing.

Perhaps I misunderstood. A thousand apologies.

Response to cwydro (Reply #93)

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
104. I think younger people complaining about older people and vice versa is much ado about nothing.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:47 PM
Nov 2019

It is as it ever was.

And will always be.

Response to cwydro (Reply #104)

Response to maxsolomon (Reply #21)

maxsolomon

(35,177 posts)
94. Oh, I thought you were asking about the OP.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:29 PM
Nov 2019

As in, we will go through this an infinite number of times, because the Authoritarian impulse is eternal, and part of Human Nature.

Did I misunderstand? I'm a Boomer, after all...

Response to maxsolomon (Reply #94)

Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #60)

stopdiggin

(12,920 posts)
6. no. they weren't.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:46 PM
Nov 2019

what it means to be conservative (and Republican) has changed a LOT. (and that said by someone that didn't CARE much for a lot of them back in the 'good old days') But they didn't think truth was something that was just a temporary inconvenience. Stephen Miller wouldn't have gotten within five miles of the White House. And they would have jeered at your claim that the president was above the law. That, and a good deal more, force me to say .. THIS is a different breed of cat entirely.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
11. I am with you
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:11 PM
Nov 2019

What the "conservatives" had then that they do NOT have now, was an ability to fool people, without the scrutiny of 2019. They are the fathers and mothers of this current crop of assholes.

wryter2000

(47,539 posts)
69. They told Nixon he had to go
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:39 PM
Nov 2019

I remember one of them crying on tv because his President had "lied to me." This bunch knows Trump lies all the time, but how many would admit it? How many care?

I will agree there was McCarthy, but they learned something from that. And certainly, the Republican party at the time contained the roots of what we see now, esp. racism. But none of them would behaved the way Jordan does.

KPN

(16,140 posts)
28. Exactly. They've always been the assholes they are. They've just gotten worse.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:42 PM
Nov 2019

These days, they don't care because they think they are winning (which they have been at least on the economic, climate and defense fronts) and about to actually win the domestic war they've been covertly, until now, waging against Democrats and genuine, functioning democracy.

JudyM

(29,536 posts)
116. Plus they see how low our country's integrity bar is, and are gleefully pushing it lower
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:41 PM
Nov 2019

all the time because they can get away with it.

BigmanPigman

(52,332 posts)
12. I hope they suffer in their next life too,
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:18 PM
Nov 2019

if they are reincarnated. I hope that if they are guarenteed to suffer in unimaginable pain that they will live to be 110 years old.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
91. That is my secret wish...
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:21 PM
Nov 2019

That they and everybody who does others wrong are condemned to living their next life as the victims of what they themselves are guilty of doing to others... Without the illusion of time determining a past or present.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,897 posts)
41. And Roy Cohn was right there at McCarthy's side.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:02 PM
Nov 2019

The same Roy Cohn who was the orange skidmark's mentor.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
32. I believe Harry Truman summed up the essence of the Republican way.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:51 PM
Nov 2019

On 13 October 1948, President Harry Truman made an appearance in St. Paul, Minnesota, stumping on behalf of both his own re-election campaign and a bid by the mayor of Minneapolis, fellow Democrat Hubert Humphrey, to land a seat in the U.S. Senate. During that appearance in St. Paul, President Truman delivered an address at the city’s Municipal Auditorium which was carried on a nationwide radio broadcast and included the criticism of the Republican Party.

"Today the forces of liberalism face a crisis. The people of the United States must make a choice between two ways of living — a decision which will affect us the rest of our lives and our children and our grandchildren after us.

On the other side, there is the Wall Street way of life and politics. Trust the leader! Let big business take care of prices and profits! Measure all things by money! That is the philosophy of the masters of the Republican Party.

Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues.

Since they won’t tell you themselves, I am going to tell you.

They approve of the American farmer — but they are willing to help him go broke.

They stand four-square for the American home — but not for housing.

They are strong for labor — but they are stronger for restricting labor’s rights.

They favor a minimum wage — the smaller the minimum the better.

They indorse educational opportunity for all — but they won’t spend money for teachers or for schools.

They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine — for people who can afford them.

They approve of Social Security benefits — so much so that they took them away from almost a million people.

They believe in international trade — so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement.

They favor the admission of displaced persons — but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.

They consider electric power a great blessing — but only when the private power companies get their rake-off.

They say TVA is wonderful — but we ought never to try it again.

They condemn “cruelly high prices” — but fight to the death every effort to bring them down.

They think the American standard of living is a fine thing — so long as it doesn’t spread to all the people.

And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.

Now, my friends, that is the Wall Street Republican way of life. But there is another way — there is another way — the Democratic way, the way of the Democratic Party."

apnu

(8,790 posts)
46. Thanks man
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:11 PM
Nov 2019

I was born in 1973, so I have no real context. For me, my political experience with Republicans as a party starts around 1980.

Harker

(15,067 posts)
130. A watershed year, as I recall.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:19 AM
Nov 2019

And they've been getting worse by leaps and bounds since then.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
133. They were still assholes then too.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:46 AM
Nov 2019

You and I were born in the same year. I had a visceral dislike of Ronald Reagan even as a child. A popular show where I was growing up was the Wally George show, some of the people I went to school liked it. I hated it because of the xenophobia and stupidity.

Reagan, Barr, GHW Bush, Oliver North, and John Poindexter sold missiles illegally to Iran to steal the 1980 election and funneled the money illegally to right wing death squads in Nicaragua to topple a duly elected left wing government. They were put on trial and several of Reagan's henchmen were convicted, but GHW Bush under Barr's guidance pardoned them placing them out of the reach of justice.

Republicans have been disgusting jerks for a long time with some notable exceptions.

H2O Man

(75,648 posts)
50. Recommended.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:18 PM
Nov 2019

I agree 100%. I remember them well, and your description is absolutely spot-on. I often tell people who have been fooled into believing otherwise -- that noble republicans got Nixon out of office, for example -- to watch the House hearings on Watergate. Or the Senate Investigation, for that matter.

Thanks for this.

H2O Man

(75,648 posts)
108. When I was
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:00 PM
Nov 2019

discussing this general topic with my children, I told them that this crop of republicans is as similar to the 1960s - '70s as the dandelions from each era. When I see their and their friends' reactions to the obnoxious shit the current crop is doing, it reminds me of when I was young. The only difference is that the internet didn't exist then. But we had great underground newspapers.

bdamomma

(66,606 posts)
53. They have never taken their oaths
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:22 PM
Nov 2019

seriously. All for themselves and not for the citizens of the country.

meadowlander

(4,749 posts)
55. Margaret on the Guillotine
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:23 PM
Nov 2019

“People like you make me feel so tired/ when will you die?”

The really depressing thing is when they are in their 20s and 30s. Like who is raising these heartless idiots?

McKim

(2,412 posts)
57. Let's Not Get Divisive
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:24 PM
Nov 2019

Kudos to the writer of this original post. I agree, there is a thread of bad behavior by republicans that has been the same for many decades. It’s important to remember historical facts. Now, please, do not bash boomers.

This is a way to divide us! As an aging boomer, I worked against the wars in Vietnam, Gulf, Iraq and a hypothetical war on Iran. I am probably to the left of most on this site and have given contributions to good candidates, had a fundraiser for our democratic senator last week, supported immigrants, given money to every good cause and I do not want to be bashed. Many old boomers have been upholding The Good for decades. I want a better future for young people who have really been given a raw deal! Let’s work together!

Loubee

(169 posts)
66. Omitting the screaming in burning coffins, etc., Yes, it's true . . .
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:34 PM
Nov 2019

I'm 71 years old--the only thing that's changed over time since Nixon is that there are fewer and fewer Republicans with any shame at all. The whole lot would kill their grannies and sell their children for money and power.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
76. Lyndon Johnson and the Gulf of Tonkin
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 05:49 PM
Nov 2019

LBJ got us into the Viet Nam War, he was a Democrat (Texas Oil).

I am a Viet Nam Vet and have never ever voted G.O.P. I served in 1968, I was drafted.
And as much as I loathe the G.O.P. I remember those miserable years, 67, 68, and
69. Viet Nam was an oil war. Only, there was no oil. It had promises (Shell got us there).

Every conflict we have since then is oil related,

soldierant

(7,940 posts)
110. I'm 74, and I'm pretty sure
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:07 PM
Nov 2019

we were in Vietnam before LBJ.

But, regardless who got us there, it was wrong, yes.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
114. Those are shady days.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:04 PM
Nov 2019

We fought in Vietnam after LBJ was president. We (Army) were there for
Shell with the French already. The gulf of Tomkin was the key. It
was as fabricated as the Iraq War. The Vietnam crap was for rich
pockets (Oil). I was there in the infantry, this is not make-believe.



soldierant

(7,940 posts)
151. Yes, I thought we were there with the French.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:46 PM
Nov 2019

I saw the Gulf of Tonkin as escalation of our presence rather than something new.
Either way, yes, it was fabricated, and all for oil and rich pockets - no quarrel there.

Kid Berwyn

(18,159 posts)
83. That's what I remember, too, Doctor.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 06:07 PM
Nov 2019

A life lesson from George Chapman:

“Young men think old men are fools; but old men know young men are fools.”

I remember the National Guard killings at Kent State and my good friend’s brother was dead in Vietnam. Nixon on the tee vee promised peace with honor. My other friend’s brother came back from Vietnam and told us it was all a big lie. This 15-year old was confused. And I grew up knowing many, if not most, of the bastards in charge were liars, crooks, murderers, and traitors.

The right wingers were wrong then and they’re wrong now. I don’t blame the young people for being angry about today’s state of affairs. The thing they might not have heard, we tried to do something about it — and more than a few of us are still at it. We call it the Good Fight.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
99. There is something wrong with the conservative mind,
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:08 PM
Nov 2019

Some kind of profound inability to reflect on themselves, and a comfort with dishonesty that I don’t understand.

Mopar151

(10,183 posts)
119. They stole "conservative" from the "Main Street Republicans"
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:52 PM
Nov 2019

It is a lot more comforting than reactionaries, fascists, or the various Neo-Orc movements "true lies"!

UpInArms

(51,841 posts)
113. W have been in the fight for our lives
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:30 PM
Nov 2019

All of our lives ...I can only hope there are those who follow us who will continue the fight

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
117. Quite a few folks seem to long for a Republican Party that never existed.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:43 PM
Nov 2019

Some mythical pre-Trump party that wasn't harmful to people and planet.

walkingman

(8,434 posts)
126. These same nasty bastards have been around all of my life (born 1950). There are not going anywhere
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:34 PM
Nov 2019

anytime soon. I continue to just hope that there are more good people than bad.

 

Teach-only-love

(73 posts)
131. No, they have not always been this bad.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:21 AM
Nov 2019

I might have disagreed with them on many things, but they had some people of honor.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
138. Same old shit, just cruder packaging now.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 08:42 AM
Nov 2019

The “product” is quite visible for all to see, and it stinks.

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