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***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD 2***

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Reply ***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD 2*** (Original post)
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 19 OP
crickets Nov 19 #1
JHB Nov 19 #2
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 19 #4
Mersky Nov 19 #8
crickets Nov 19 #11
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #3
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 19 #5
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #7
crickets Nov 19 #6
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #9
crickets Nov 19 #61
mucifer Nov 19 #10
Roland99 Nov 19 #12
chowder66 Nov 19 #90
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 19 #125
crickets Nov 19 #13
crickets Nov 19 #14
elleng Nov 19 #15
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #17
Pacifist Patriot Nov 19 #18
dalton99a Nov 19 #20
Skinner Nov 19 #16
crickets Nov 19 #19
Pacifist Patriot Nov 19 #21
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #22
Auggie Nov 19 #23
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #25
Roland99 Nov 19 #24
dweller Nov 19 #27
Javaman Nov 19 #30
Roland99 Nov 19 #39
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #29
crickets Nov 19 #35
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #37
Pacifist Patriot Nov 19 #32
crickets Nov 19 #28
madaboutharry Nov 19 #26
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 19 #31
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #33
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 19 #40
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #43
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 19 #73
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #88
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 19 #110
MerryBlooms Nov 19 #38
Pacifist Patriot Nov 19 #41
MerryBlooms Nov 19 #46
tazkcmo Nov 19 #111
MerryBlooms Nov 19 #133
H2O Man Nov 19 #34
elleng Nov 19 #36
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 19 #42
Karma13612 Nov 19 #142
H2O Man Nov 19 #143
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #44
Roland99 Nov 19 #45
Happy Hoosier Nov 19 #48
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #47
blaze Nov 19 #49
MerryBlooms Nov 19 #56
hibbing Nov 19 #50
crickets Nov 19 #51
klook Nov 19 #138
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #52
Botany Nov 19 #53
sheshe2 Nov 19 #54
crickets Nov 19 #58
onecaliberal Nov 19 #55
spanone Nov 19 #57
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 19 #63
crickets Nov 19 #69
underthematrix Nov 19 #59
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #60
malaise Nov 19 #68
MFGsunny Nov 19 #139
malaise Nov 19 #145
hibbing Nov 19 #62
elleng Nov 19 #64
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #65
calimary Nov 19 #100
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 19 #131
JohnnyLib2 Nov 19 #66
mucifer Nov 19 #67
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #70
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #71
Botany Nov 19 #72
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 19 #74
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #75
madaboutharry Nov 19 #76
Kali Nov 19 #84
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #91
catbyte Nov 19 #77
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #78
Gidney N Cloyd Nov 19 #79
calimary Nov 19 #102
Bayard Nov 19 #80
Mersky Nov 19 #81
crickets Nov 19 #87
catbyte Nov 19 #82
polichick Nov 19 #83
calimary Nov 19 #103
polichick Nov 19 #140
Glimmer of Hope Nov 19 #85
Roland99 Nov 19 #86
pangaia Nov 19 #95
Roland99 Nov 19 #112
crickets Nov 19 #89
ancianita Nov 19 #122
madaboutharry Nov 19 #92
gademocrat7 Nov 19 #96
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #93
demmiblue Nov 19 #94
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #97
pangaia Nov 19 #98
Imperialism Inc. Nov 19 #99
spooky3 Nov 19 #115
Sunsky Nov 19 #130
Whiskeytide Nov 19 #144
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #101
crickets Nov 19 #109
Roland99 Nov 19 #116
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #104
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #105
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #106
kentuck Nov 19 #107
crickets Nov 19 #113
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #108
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #114
Roland99 Nov 19 #118
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #121
Politicub Nov 19 #126
Beringia Nov 19 #117
spooky3 Nov 19 #120
Beringia Nov 19 #132
Karma13612 Nov 19 #123
Beringia Nov 19 #129
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #119
Mersky Nov 19 #127
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #136
Mersky Nov 19 #137
crickets Nov 19 #128
Mersky Nov 19 #134
spooky3 Nov 19 #141
IcyPeas Nov 19 #135
BumRushDaShow Nov 19 #124

Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

1. bringing last comment over from other thread

Question: why would OMB review funds to see if they

were in line w/policy after the funds were already voted upon and released by Congress? Is that normal?


eta answer received
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212702820#post125

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

2. Obligatory



Support the artist: Give the original a click:
https://www.gocomics.com/mo/2019/11/18

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Response to JHB (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

8. Love her work.

Totally is, omg:

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Response to JHB (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

11. Ha! Love it. nt

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:01 AM

3. Schiff now handing off to Dan Goldman (Commitee Majority counsel)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:03 AM

5. glad we have Goldman on our side, not Castor

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:04 AM

7. Ain't that the damn truth!

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:03 AM

6. Thank goodness for good people like Vindman

who are paying attention, and who speak up when something goes wrong. You can tell how difficult this is for Vindman, but he is a man of integrity who did the right thing. Bringing up military culture, understanding of orders, knowing about power disparity between Zelensky and Trump and how that put Z. over a barrel when asked to do a favor in order to get the money.

Vindman is doing a great job, then and now.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

9. HERE ARE SOME STREAMS









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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:39 AM

61. Thank you for the thread and links, BumRushDaShow! nt

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

10. Was this part of the talking points?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:08 AM

12. Anyone else thinking that the movie version of this will have Kim Raver as Ms Williams?

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:51 AM

90. Good call! nt

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:16 AM

125. Why? Does she move he mouth in a funny distracting way too?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:10 AM

13. Vindman's job is to coordinate US policy to make sure it is cohesive and coherent,

including providing talking points for the call. Trump ignored the talking points Vindman provided, talking instead about:

wants a favor
Crowdstrike
server, you have it

No credible evidence to show Ukraine meddled in 2016 election, that is VPutin's conspiracy theory & Russia was the one who actually interfered.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:11 AM

14. Now covering the points that there is no credible evidence against Joe Biden. nt

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:11 AM

15. 'I speak Russian, Ukrainian, and a little bit of English!!!'

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Response to elleng (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:14 AM

17. He's a riot

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Response to elleng (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:14 AM

18. That was a great moment!

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Response to elleng (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:15 AM

20. Good one

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:12 AM

16. I'm finding Vindman to be a very compelling witness. (nt)

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Response to Skinner (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:15 AM

19. Agreed. A lot of it comes from his obvious high level of competence, eh? nt

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Response to Skinner (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:16 AM

21. Me too. Of course he'll be crucified by some (gee who would that be)

for not being more charismatic and entertaining. He's clearly not a comfortable public speaker, but I think that adds to his credibility. I'd sure be nervous as hell in his seat.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:18 AM

22. Lordy be there are tapes!



(one of the issues left out of the transcript represented by some ellipses)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:19 AM

23. Game changer?

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Response to Auggie (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:21 AM

25. Well the subpoenas have asked for anything they had

and of course all they got was a truncated "transcript" of a call...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:20 AM

24. Odds they still exist??

I think I have better odds of being hit by a meteor while I'm wearing a pink tutu and reciting War and Peace in its in entirety...backwards.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:22 AM

27. how do you wear a tutu .. backwards?

n/t

✌🏼

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Response to dweller (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:23 AM

30. very carefully. ;) LOL nt

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Response to Javaman (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:29 AM

39. Yes...this.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:22 AM

29. Well if they are "gone"

that is just plain old "destruction of government property" and a violation of the "Presidential Records Act" (PRA).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:25 AM

35. This time there is no adorable Rose Mary Woods to cook up a reason for it, either. nt

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Response to crickets (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:27 AM

37. With phone calls

there's always the other party's recordings (and anyone else who might have been listening from the other side).

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:24 AM

32. Hard to say in this day and age.

It may not be as easy as lighting a match to one of these.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:22 AM

28. Doin' the Nixon dance!!

Everybody, both arms up in the air throwing peace signs! Shake your head and say it: "I am not a crook!"

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:21 AM

26. Lt. Col Vindman is a totally credible witness.

He is just giving the facts and holding the line at speculation.

This is exactly what he should do.

The republicans are going to find it mighty difficult to portray him as a partisan.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:23 AM

31. Schiff seems to be skipping around too much. IMHO

Not sure why he wouldn't follow a logical time line of events. Maybe just a linear thinker but sure there are others like me out there.

Sometimes people know so much they forget that others dont

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:25 AM

33. The lawyer is doing the questioning (has been for awhile now)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:29 AM

40. Yes, sorry behind. Atty much better

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:31 AM

43. Well one thing that makes this tricky is the 2 different witnesses testifying together

but who were part of different calls/situations.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:45 AM

73. Agree. Hmmm still getting feeling general public

Might not be following all this...just because it's not being set up like a logical story for them to follow.

Has nothing to do with us, who know a lot ...just putting yourself in the eyes of people who don't.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #73)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:49 AM

88. I think the story came last week

For this week, these are actually the "first hand" accounts (the "weeds" ) of that story, which would be more useful for the committee than for the public. I.e., these are "fact witnesses" with first hand knowledge who are corroborating the story.

(not much different from the Nixon/Watergate hearings with the "plumbers" and all the machinations behind the break-in)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #88)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:08 AM

110. Yes. Seeing everything through the lens of 'we have

to get rid of the monster ' and want us to reach as many voters as possible is all.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:27 AM

38. The opening script on both sides

welcomed the witnesses, but I noticed the usual 'Thank you for your service', was omitted on both sides and also Goldman. Wondering why... Maybe I missed it.

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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:31 AM

41. I think you may have missed that. I'm pretty sure I heard it from Schiff.

Not sure about Nunes. I tend to zone out when he starts mooing.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:34 AM

46. Okay, that's good. Thanking Vindman for his service is important optics, plus

it's just the right thing to do.

Thanks for the info.

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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

111. Chairman shift acknowledge

That the lieutenant colonel spilled blood for this country and acknowledged our debt to him as a country

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #111)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

133. Yes, thanks.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:25 AM

34. I find Dan Goldman

very impressive. I have enjoyed watching him on CNN and MSNBC in the past, of course. But his service in these hearings is outstanding.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:26 AM

36. Yes

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:31 AM

42. Yes, he sets up question and is not monotone. Still

Like our Lewandowski atty

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:39 PM

142. Would he be called to

Assist in the Judiciary committee alongside Nadler?
I sort of hope he does because I find Nadler gets flustered sometimes, and it makes him look ineffective.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #142)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:43 PM

143. Yes.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:32 AM

44. Daniel Goldman has concluded and MOO MOO is up with Castor oil

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:33 AM

45. The next 45 minutes is going to be one, long series of cow pies

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:34 AM

48. Yeah, I cannot listen to Nunes. Fuck him. NT

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:34 AM

47. MOO MOO doing the CT

and not getting any help from Williams.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:34 AM

49. Just throwing out false talking points...

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Response to blaze (Reply #49)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:37 AM

56. It's all they've got, because there is NO defense for the shit the WH has pulled.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:34 AM

50. Burisma, Hunter Biden, Chalupa, Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden....on and on gawd n/t

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:35 AM

51. For anyone unable to watch this,

Wonkette really is doing a good job on liveblog. It's irreverent, but comprehensive:

https://www.wonkette.com/lets-watch-republicans-sh-t-on-a-guy-with-a-purple-heart-impeachment-liveblog-day-three

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Response to crickets (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:36 AM

138. So excellent.

NUNES: I am going to ask Vindman the same questions, none of which make sense to anybody who doesn't huff paint off Sean Hannity's sexxx nipples.

VINDMAN: I have zero idea what the fuck any of you are talking about.

10:38: NUNES: In conclusion, I am going to say a bunch of weirdo shit about RUSSIA COLLUSION HOAX and stuff, and I am not going to SAY you are leakers, but I am going to kind of imply it? Anyway, Jennifer Williams, you are the leaker.

WILLIAMS: I am not the leaker.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:36 AM

52. MOO MOO asking same questions to Vindman

and he is not helping him either.

They know it's bullshit.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:36 AM

53. Devin!



Has he gotten to Hillary Clinton's email server yet?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:37 AM

54. Moo:

Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden!!!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:38 AM

58. That's why he's on myooooote right now.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:37 AM

55. I can't listen to this steaming pile of crap.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:38 AM

57. Nunes goes down the route of debunked Biden bullshit

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Response to spanone (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:39 AM

63. it's all they got

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Response to spanone (Reply #57)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:42 AM

69. He's trying to make it sound like Hunter Biden was getting paid off

in some nefarious fashion rather than being paid salary for being on Burisma board.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:38 AM

59. Got a 45 minute break while Nunes does his fake conspiracy show

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:38 AM

60. MOO MOO calling stuff reported in the press was "classified"

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #60)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:41 AM

68. What I find amusing is that ReTHUGs are not interested in

whether their president committed bribery and extortion. He only wants to know how this became public

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Response to malaise (Reply #68)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:40 AM

139. Eggs-actly THIS! n/t

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Response to MFGsunny (Reply #139)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:20 PM

145. They have nothing

They cannot argue against the facts

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:39 AM

62. Russian Collusion Hoax

God, Nunes is an absolute....I don't even know what to say.

P.S. When was Hunter Biden elected president?

Peace

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:40 AM

64. Hang it up, nooones.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:40 AM

65. MOO MOO trying to find "leaks"

despite the fact that the President released their "transcript" (in quotes) of the July 25th call TO THE MEDIA!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #65)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:59 AM

100. Devin MOOnes.

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Response to calimary (Reply #100)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

131. Like how he didn't include fox when he listed all the news outlets !

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:41 AM

66. Have you stopped beating your dog?


He may get to that yet.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:41 AM

67. I can only handle nunes with Stephanie Miller live commentary:

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:42 AM

70. MOO MOO just f'd up

forgetting that Williams is on TuPence's staff - trying to determine if she had accessed someone else's computer and/or talked to someone outside of the NSC (she's not on the NSC).

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

71. Schiff is cutting off MOO MOO regarding the whistleblower outing.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

72. Williams, "Just to clarify that I was in the office of the Vice President not the NSC."

Devin!

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:45 AM

74. Cowpile Nunes is despiccable

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:45 AM

75. Vindman invoking his lawyer's demand not to invoke names of intelligence.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:45 AM

76. Lt. Col. Vindman just corrected Nunes and reminded

him to address him as "Lt. Col."

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #76)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:48 AM

84. heehee

that was good

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #76)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:52 AM

91. I thought that is what he did

(and he was huffy about it too! )

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:45 AM

77. Mooman should turn this over to Castor. He's NOT doing a good job.

Full disclosure: I can't listen to mooman, so I have closed captioning on so I might be missing nuance, but he's embarrassing himself, his district, and America. As usual.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:46 AM

78. MOO MOO's cowpies cut off at the pass. Now Castor Oil is up.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:47 AM

79. Get Off The Whistleblower Crap, Moo-nes!

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #79)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:00 AM

102. Indeed!

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:47 AM

80. Why is Nunez asking about if the witnesses talked to the press?

Schiff just broke in to warn--don't use your time to try to out the Whisteblower. Nunez: Whine, whine, whine.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:47 AM

81. Schiff: "These proceedings will not be used to out the whistleblower."

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Response to Mersky (Reply #81)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:48 AM

87. +1

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:47 AM

82. Again, if hearsay is worthless, why insist on deposing the whistleblower for any reason other than

retribution and witness intimidation?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:47 AM

83. Can't wait for Justice to arrive at Nunes' door.

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Response to polichick (Reply #83)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:01 AM

103. It sure is taking a long time.

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Response to calimary (Reply #103)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:42 AM

140. Hopefully getting all its Russian ducks in a row.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:48 AM

85. What difference does it make! The WB identity just doesn't matter. Idiot.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:48 AM

86. Castor is being VERY disingenuous and VERY condescending and dismissive

is this guy on the bar?

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #86)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:54 AM

95. He is ON the bar but sure as hell not a member...






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Response to pangaia (Reply #95)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

112. he probably wants to be on Barr....

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:51 AM

89. Vindman's counsel *schools* Nunes on asking questions re WB

Points out his client is following the rules. Correct implication being Nunes is not. Burn.

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Response to crickets (Reply #89)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:14 AM

122. Indeed. He was very good. More than clear.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:52 AM

92. Castor doing an Eddie Haskel imitation.

He is a very bad actor.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #92)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:54 AM

96. Castor is indeed a very bad actor

And he is not a competent attorney.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:52 AM

93. Castor working over Williams about why wasn't TuPence notified about the Zelensky's concerns

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:53 AM

94. VINDMAN: "Ranking member, it's Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, please."

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:56 AM

97. All Castor is asking about are the corrupt Ukrainians that Drumpf has embraced

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:57 AM

98. Mr. Counsel,Esq. is like a TV actor....


I have only been a jury in 2 trials in my life. Both serious cases. Two of the lawyers were clearly highly skilled. The other two just stupid self-impressed shits... It was so obvious, that it was difficult sometimes not to break out in laughter.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:59 AM

99. I'm several minutes behind live , but that whistleblower exchange was strange.

It looked kind of bad. He doesn't know who the whistleblower is but won't give a name because it would out the whstleblower. That seems weird. Explain it to me.

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Response to Imperialism Inc. (Reply #99)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:11 AM

115. Nunes wanted him to name the specific agency where

the wber worked. Lt Col knew that but didnít want to reveal it and his lawyer and Schiff stepped in.

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Response to Imperialism Inc. (Reply #99)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:19 AM

130. Not weird at all

He doesn't personally know who blew the whistle but he may have spoken to the whistleblower. Example, he spoke with persons ABCDE. Person C is the whistleblower but he doesn't know that, however if he or anyone who was a part of the call starts naming who they spoke with, the repugs or he MSM would try to interview all those names given and by process of elimination, the whistleblower's identity could be revealed. He may not even have spoken to the whistleblower. However, naming names sets a bad precedent and can lead to the revelation of the whistleblower, because someone who knew about that call told the whistleblower.

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Response to Imperialism Inc. (Reply #99)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:50 PM

144. I think what it may mean is that ...

... Vindman doesnít officially know who the whistleblower is, but he reported what he knew to people in the IC, and one of them may well have been the WB. If he lists who he spoke to, it would at least narrow the set of candidates. If he only spoke to one person, then that person probably IS the WB - but Vindman canít really know that for certain, and has been advised not to put that information.

IOW, Vindman probably knows who the WB is, but itís based on circumstantial suspicions, not direct knowledge.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:00 AM

101. Now discussing the VP trip planning process that got cancelled.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #101)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:07 AM

109. This is long and rambling and pointless. Is Castor just running the clock? nt

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Response to crickets (Reply #109)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:12 AM

116. Indubitably

Completely pointless.

Meant to make viewers tune out?


I mean...this has ZERO evidentiary purpose for EITHER side!

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:02 AM

104. Ha!

She refused to play the motivation game. CYA.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:04 AM

105. Discussing Bolton

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:05 AM

106. Now talking about Ghouliani - Vindman following both U.S. & Ukrainian press

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:07 AM

107. The Counsel for Repubs is talking about everything and everybody except Trump?

No mention of Trump's intentions towards Ukraine or for his own political purposes?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #107)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:10 AM

113. Shhh. Never question the intentions and motives of Fearless Leader. nt

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:07 AM

108. Castor don't like his answer about "3 elements"

Biden, Burisma, 2016 election!

(all omitted from the truncated transcript)

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:11 AM

114. Vindman was offered "Defense Minister" position in Ukraine "3 times"

and he said he reported these offers to his chain of command.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #114)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:12 AM

118. He's as clean-cut as they come!

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #118)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:13 AM

121. The counsel is trying to suggest that he may not be loyal to the U.S.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #114)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:18 AM

126. I had no idea that Americans are routinely asked to

take leadership roles in foreign governments.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:12 AM

117. Where is Jim Jordan

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Response to Beringia (Reply #117)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:13 AM

120. The rest of the clowns get their five minutes later today. Nt

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #120)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

132. Thanks

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Response to Beringia (Reply #117)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:15 AM

123. He'll get to speak when they

Go to the 5 minute block portion of the hearing.

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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #123)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:19 AM

129. Thanks, because he normally sits next to Castor

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:13 AM

119. Castor Oil trying to impugn the witness regarding these "offers"

of "Defense Minister".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #119)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:19 AM

127. And two other embassy staff were present for at least one of these

David Holmes and Keith Bean.

Vindman called the suggestion comical, knew of a an Air Force member taking another high rank position in another young democracy, but that he, Vindman, is American,...and never took the offers seriously.

Vindman is coming across as down to earth, sincere, and candid.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #127)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:26 AM

136. He knew what they were trying to suggest

and he just introduced another person to the mix (although he initially hesitated and looked at his lawyer before uttering Bean's name).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #136)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:30 AM

137. Yep, but by golly, he pulled that name on the spot

And provided corroborating witnesses to dash castorís insinuations!

Vindman is sharp, and knows he witnessed wrong doing.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #119)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:19 AM

128. I loved his response.

"I'm an American. I came here when I was a toddler, and I immediately dismissed these offers... The whole notion is rather comical... I did not leave the door open at all."

Pointed out modestly that at his rank, he felt that he was not senior enough to be offered such an illustrious position.

Vindman is just stellar.

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Response to crickets (Reply #128)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:22 AM

134. Demurring and good-natured response

Thanks for capturing it, crickets!

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Response to crickets (Reply #128)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:10 PM

141. He was so nervous at first; the papers in his hands were

shaking. I am glad he has gotten more comfortable.

He would be a terrible poker player. He can barely mask his disdain for the immoral idiotsí questions, but looks confident when Dems ask questions.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #119)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:23 AM

135. re David Holmes...

he's "a delightful fellow" said Vindman with a smile

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:15 AM

124. ***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD 3*** is up

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