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Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:29 PM

You know what's precious about this whole thing?

trump didn't have to extort Zelensky.

If he had given Ukraine what they needed from the start, including the global photo op at the WH, theres a good chance Zelensky would've done whatever trump wanted. The DOJ, in cooperation with Ukraine intelligence, could have announced their bogus investigation into Burisma and Crowdstrike without even mentioning Biden. The press would do that for them.

Instead, he ham-hands it, and why? BECAUSE A FREE & INDEPENDENT UKRAINE ISN'T IN RUSSIA'S BEST INTERESTS.

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Reply You know what's precious about this whole thing? (Original post)
pepperbear Nov 2019 OP
Nitram Nov 2019 #1
MontanaMama Nov 2019 #2
EveHammond13 Nov 2019 #3
dchill Nov 2019 #6
B Stieg Nov 2019 #4
robbob Nov 2019 #5
patricia92243 Nov 2019 #7
pepperbear Nov 2019 #9
Vinca Nov 2019 #8
Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #10
pecosbob Nov 2019 #11
BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #12

Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:13 PM

1. Yes. That's the elephant in the room that everybody seems to ignore. For purposes of impeaching the

president, we have to stick to very narrow, provable charges such as the fact that Trump tried to bribe (or extort) the president of Ukraine. But, yes, the bottom line is that Putin instruct Trump to give him Ukraine.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:18 PM

2. So precious!

Bless his heart...

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:03 AM

3. and because cruelty is the point

 

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:40 AM

6. It's no fun if you can't be pointlessly mean.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:18 AM

4. Yup! Corruption meets Incompetence.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:21 AM

5. Also, as was pointed out today

He could have simply replaced the ambassador through normal channels. He didnít have to smear her reputation through shady background intrigues via Rudy Ghouliani. Itís all been totally self inflicted wounds. Heís a mobster and he knows only mobster ways of operating.

Pathetic.

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Response to robbob (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:16 AM

7. Bingo!

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Response to robbob (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:17 AM

9. +1000

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:21 AM

8. Dumbest mob boss ever.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:25 AM

10. When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems start to look like nails...

Trump only knows one way to deal with people.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:39 AM

11. I'm a lot more scared of one smart villain like Cheney than a whole cabinet of Trump appointees.

I think we actually kinda dodged a bullet that this administration is so inept and so transparently and venally corrupt...it could have been a lot worse if they had been a bit more competent.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:42 AM

12. Everything goes back to Russia.

 

And everything Trump does benefits Putin.

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