Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:49 PM
BumRushDaShow (118,762 posts)
***BREAKING ROGER STONE CONVICTED - ALL 7 COUNTS ****
UPDATE
Roger Stone guilty on all counts in federal trial of lying to Congress, witness tampering
By Rachel Weiner, Spencer S. Hsu and Matt Zapotosky November 15, 2019 at 11:52 a.m. EST A federal jury has convicted longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone of lying to Congress and tampering with a witness about his efforts to learn about the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks release of hacked Democratic emails in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The panel of nine women and three men deliberated for less than two days before finding Stone, 67, guilty on all seven counts resulting from his September 2017 testimony to a House intelligence committee investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election and the Kremlin’s efforts to damage Trump’s Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. Stone, in a blue suit, stood at the defense table with his left hand in his pants pocket, watching impassively as verdicts were read. Stone had argued that he was not intentionally dishonest and that the cases was politically motivated. But jurors sided with prosecutors who said Stone obstructed the House efforts because the truth would be embarrassing to Donald Trump’s campaign. Stone’s indictment was the last brought by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, putting on trial his slippery brand of political brawling and revealing important new details about the Trump campaign’s keen interest in computer files hacked by Russia and made public by WikiLeaks. He was accused of lying to Congress and tampering with a witness, an associate prosecutors said Stone threatened in a bid to prevent the man from cooperating with lawmakers.Though prosecutors sought to prove only that Stone had lied to Congress, they asserted that his motive for the falsehoods was protecting Trump from embarrassment — and thus made the president and his campaign a key component in their case. Stone’s trial reenergized discussions of Russian interference in the 2016 election and occurred alongside public hearings in Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into whether the president tried to pressure his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate a potential 2020 opponent, former Vice President Joe Biden. In arguments and testimony over the past two weeks, prosecutors revealed a series of phone calls at critical times in 2016 between Stone, Trump and some of the highest-ranking officials on the Trump campaign — Stephen K. Bannon, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/roger-stone-jury-weighs-evidence-and-a-defense-move-to-make-case-about-mueller/2019/11/15/554fff5a-06ff-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html ETA - Sentencing scheduled for February 6, 2020 per NYT. (see a WaPo banner) Roger Stone found guilty in federal case
BREAKING: Roger Stone convicted in federal case over statements to Congress related to WikiLeaks. Stone, a longtime Trump friend and adviser, was on trial in Washington on charges of lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction over his remarks about WikiLeaks’ email releases in the 2016 presidential campaign. This is a developing story that will be updated. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/roger-stone-jury-weighs-evidence-and-a-defense-move-to-make-case-about-mueller/2019/11/15/554fff5a-06ff-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html
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The Velveteen Ocelot | Nov 2019 | #1 | |
TruckFump | Nov 2019 | #3 | |
NurseJackie | Nov 2019 | #89 | |
George II | Nov 2019 | #123 | |
PNW-Dem | Nov 2019 | #110 | |
wnylib | Nov 2019 | #139 | |
rampartc | Nov 2019 | #2 | |
Wounded Bear | Nov 2019 | #16 | |
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sheshe2 | Nov 2019 | #4 | |
Botany | Nov 2019 | #10 | |
sheshe2 | Nov 2019 | #23 | |
Botany | Nov 2019 | #28 | |
sheshe2 | Nov 2019 | #32 | |
Martin Eden | Nov 2019 | #90 | |
Scarsdale | Nov 2019 | #104 | |
spanone | Nov 2019 | #13 | |
2naSalit | Nov 2019 | #17 | |
sheshe2 | Nov 2019 | #36 | |
Blue Owl | Nov 2019 | #100 | |
calimary | Nov 2019 | #135 | |
budkin | Nov 2019 | #5 | |
dameatball | Nov 2019 | #6 | |
blueseas | Nov 2019 | #115 | |
NightWatcher | Nov 2019 | #7 | |
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apcalc | Nov 2019 | #9 | |
Eliot Rosewater | Nov 2019 | #37 | |
TheRealNorth | Nov 2019 | #78 | |
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llmart | Nov 2019 | #11 | |
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johnp3907 | Nov 2019 | #31 | |
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aggiesal | Nov 2019 | #49 | |
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The Velveteen Ocelot | Nov 2019 | #19 | |
budkin | Nov 2019 | #20 | |
Chin music | Nov 2019 | #127 | |
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llmart | Nov 2019 | #30 | |
Atticus | Nov 2019 | #25 | |
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DURHAM D | Nov 2019 | #26 | |
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C Moon | Nov 2019 | #95 | |
lastlib | Nov 2019 | #101 | |
C Moon | Nov 2019 | #111 | |
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:49 PM
The Velveteen Ocelot (111,807 posts)
1. Just heard on MSNBC. Waiting for more info.
Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:51 PM
TruckFump (5,569 posts)
3. Same here.
Yes!
![]() Hope this convinces others to stop supporting and lying for MF45. |
Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:12 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
89. I'll bet he's got the shits today too. All the prison time he's looking at...
I'll bet he's got the shits today too. All the prison time he's looking at is probably making his stomach turn and bowels inflamed.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #89)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:20 AM
George II (67,782 posts)
123. Wait until his cellmate gets a look at that Richard Nixon tattoo on his back!
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:49 PM
PNW-Dem (244 posts)
110. Did anyone see the sentencing date?
By the way, I love the way the jackass carried a red bible. Pander much?
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Response to PNW-Dem (Reply #110)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:36 AM
wnylib (20,419 posts)
139. Yes. Currently set for February.
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:51 PM
rampartc (5,006 posts)
2. good news!
I was concerned this scumbag would have a mistrial.
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Response to rampartc (Reply #2)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:53 PM
Wounded Bear (57,209 posts)
16. Yeah, there was that little snag yesterday...
with the jury, apparently. But I guess it was more of a procedural question than a real "hung jury" situation.
Some of us were a little worried. Sounds like justice is being done, though. ![]() |
Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #16)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:08 PM
calimary (78,150 posts)
44. I was worried, though.
Hmmm... jury's taking too long. That often means it'll wind up a hung jury or go in favor of the defendant.
Not this time, THANKFULLY! |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:51 PM
sheshe2 (80,870 posts)
4. All 4 Counts!
GUILTY!
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #4)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:52 PM
Botany (69,333 posts)
10. With 3 more counts to come in
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #23)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:57 PM
Botany (69,333 posts)
28. Now Stone can decide if he wants to spend the rest of his life in prison
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Response to Botany (Reply #28)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:17 PM
Martin Eden (12,344 posts)
90. I think Roger Seven-Counts is counting on a pardon from Donnie Two-Scoops
But he may have to wait until after the election.
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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #90)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:12 PM
Scarsdale (9,426 posts)
104. I heard that he
sent a message to tRump through a "friend' "Pardon Me?" He is a loathsome scumbag, always has been. I got begging emails from both him and his wife, I would not give either of them the time of day, let alone a donation. They belong to Swinger's Clubs, let them ask their fellow perverts for cash donations.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #4)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:52 PM
spanone (134,465 posts)
13. GUILTY ON SEVEN COUNTS!!!
Response to spanone (Reply #13)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:53 PM
2naSalit (79,287 posts)
17. Excellent!
I want to see what's on the picket sign that guy following Stone around outside the venue!
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Response to spanone (Reply #13)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:58 PM
sheshe2 (80,870 posts)
36. Yeah...
CNN just caught up~
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Response to spanone (Reply #13)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:02 PM
Blue Owl (47,469 posts)
100. Stone to the bejeezus!
n/t
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Response to spanone (Reply #13)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:02 AM
calimary (78,150 posts)
135. ALL SEVEN counts.
You ran the table, Roger dear.
Couldn’t happen to a “nicer” shmuck. He’s had it coming for a LOOOONNNNNNNGGG time. |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:51 PM
budkin (6,554 posts)
5. Holy shit... read on twitter ALL SEVEN COUNTS!!!
Haven't seen it officially yet but.... holy shit.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:51 PM
dameatball (7,256 posts)
6. Excellent. That bastard going down is long overdue.
Response to dameatball (Reply #6)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 06:39 PM
blueseas (11,575 posts)
115. +1001
Agreed!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:51 PM
NightWatcher (39,343 posts)
7. Guilty on all 7 counts
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:51 PM
gademocrat7 (10,368 posts)
8. Very good news!
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:51 PM
apcalc (4,419 posts)
9. Twitler just might pardon him.
Response to apcalc (Reply #9)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:02 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,876 posts)
37. Assume he has to pardon him, that Stone has dirt that putin cant allow out.
The web is so huge, the consequences of their actions so violent, that we barely know what is what yet.
Rump laundered money for the richest most violent and deadly men on earth for 30 years even though Donald Rump does not know what laundering money means. He is owned by them, completely as he owes them about 3 billion dollars. Stone knows stuff that would make the putin oligarch murderers lose money maybe and remember KUSHNER and the Rumps were INVOLVED in the DISMEMBERMENT of Khashoggi. |
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #37)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:52 PM
TheRealNorth (8,944 posts)
78. If Putin is worried about Stone exposing their dirty games
Then I expect Stone will get the Epstein treatment.
Not sure that Stone will get a pardon right away, but he will get one after the 2020 election if he keeps his mouth shut. |
Response to apcalc (Reply #9)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:39 PM
bitterross (4,066 posts)
109. Of course he will. What's he got to lose now?
There's really no down-side for Trump if he pardons Stone. He knows the Republicans in Congress won't do anything about it. They're not even going to do anything about his current crimes.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:52 PM
llmart (14,925 posts)
11. Wait for it...
Trump's next tweet, "I don't know who he is. I have never talked to the guy."
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Response to llmart (Reply #11)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:54 PM
Wounded Bear (57,209 posts)
21. I think he used to make great covfefe for our meetings...
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Response to llmart (Reply #11)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:57 PM
johnp3907 (3,669 posts)
31. "I never heard of The Rolling Stones!"
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Response to llmart (Reply #11)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:03 PM
Whiskeytide (4,381 posts)
38. "...but many, many people are saying ...
... that I should pardon him because apparently he’s not really a witch, but we’re looking into that and I have the best people on it as we speak”.
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Response to llmart (Reply #11)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:15 PM
aggiesal (8,456 posts)
49. psst, here's your pardon n/t
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:52 PM
bdamomma (62,461 posts)
12. yes, justice is being done
tRump may have the big one soon.
Friday is not a dump day for news not anymore huh. |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:52 PM
subana (586 posts)
14. they could all open their own wing in federal prison!
hopefully fat Donnie will join him before long!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:53 PM
nolabear (41,548 posts)
15. I have never been so happy to see someone go down.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:53 PM
Arkansas Granny (31,269 posts)
18. Has Trump disowned him yet?
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:53 PM
The Velveteen Ocelot (111,807 posts)
19. Fat Nixon: "I hardly knew him. He was just a coffee boy."
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:54 PM
budkin (6,554 posts)
20. I guess it's "[HIS] time in the barrel"
Hope he rots.
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Response to budkin (Reply #20)
Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:54 PM
nolabear (41,548 posts)
22. "I don't know him" in 3...2...1...
Spanky’s comments this afternoon are going to be golden.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:55 PM
H2O Man (72,276 posts)
24. Recommended.
Let justice roll like a mighty stream that washes his ilk away.
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Response to H2O Man (Reply #24)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:57 PM
llmart (14,925 posts)
30. +1000
Love your prose.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:55 PM
Atticus (15,124 posts)
25. 3---2----1------Chuck Todd: "This is very bad for Democrats!" nt
Response to Atticus (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:17 PM
Guy Whitey Corngood (26,312 posts)
55. .
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Response to Atticus (Reply #25)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:03 PM
47of74 (18,470 posts)
86. Or as I call him Fuck Todd.
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:56 PM
DURHAM D (32,395 posts)
26. I assume that Barr has the pardon ready for Trump's signature. nt
Response to DURHAM D (Reply #26)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:58 PM
cbdo2007 (9,213 posts)
33. Doubt it. Trump is glad when other people take the heat for him.
He thinks this means they are showing loyalty.
Has he actually pardoned anyone yet that was involved in one of his own cases?? |
Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #33)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:03 PM
bearsfootball516 (6,356 posts)
39. That's a good point. He didn't pardon Manafort, and a lot of people thought he would.
If he didn't pardon Manafort, there's no reason to think he'll pardon Stone.
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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #39)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:05 PM
maryellen99 (3,754 posts)
43. And he hasn't pardoned Flynn or Gates either
Remember Nixon didn’t pardon any of his Watergate co-conspirators either.
I think the only ones he would pardon are Jr and Jarvanka. |
Response to maryellen99 (Reply #43)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:37 PM
SonofDonald (2,050 posts)
71. I think the reason he hasn't pardoned anyone involved
Is that even though there's what?, six people either in jail or almost there but dumpf is not in prison or being tried for a felony yet
I think if he was under trial or heading to the big house the pardons would be flying, he is being impeached but that's just for removal right now and this way he can call it all fake news and say it doesn't matter the moment he gets removed the whole thing changes and he's directly in front of a host of felonys, that's when I think you'll see the pardons. It's all about perception |
Response to DURHAM D (Reply #26)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:03 PM
Eliot Rosewater (30,876 posts)
40. If Barr isnt indicted when patriots take over I will lose my mind.
Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #40)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:24 PM
Celerity (39,231 posts)
105. +100000
Response to DURHAM D (Reply #26)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:21 AM
DFW (52,339 posts)
126. I think the pardon is drawn up, but being strategically withheld for now.
If Stone doesn't roll over on Trump, he'll get his pardon before Trump leaves office. Being as heartless as Trump, I'm sure Stone is negotiating to see who (Trump or the prosecution) will give him the better deal.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:56 PM
edbermac (15,794 posts)
27. That's too bad.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:57 PM
herding cats (19,256 posts)
29. What a day!
I hoped to see this happen but am still surprised (in a very good way) to see this!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 12:58 PM
Johnny2X2X (17,564 posts)
34. Lock Him Up!
Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!
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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #34)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:13 AM
onetexan (12,642 posts)
125. Someone please post that pic of Hilary & O laughing
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Response to onetexan (Reply #125)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:39 AM
mucifer (22,827 posts)
137. here ya go:
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Response to mucifer (Reply #137)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:52 PM
onetexan (12,642 posts)
144. Close enough! Thanks
Karma's a bitch isnt it?
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:04 PM
Arazi (5,940 posts)
41. Now we start the pardon watch
Response to Arazi (Reply #41)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:24 PM
Hermit-The-Prog (29,536 posts)
64. Trump is more likely to simply forget Stone ever existed than to pardon
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #64)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:30 PM
ancianita (33,729 posts)
67. To pardon is to admit Gates' testimony that it was collusion. 45 would admit to collusion thereby.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #64)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:29 PM
AdamGG (1,201 posts)
121. Stone knows too much dirt, Trump might pardon him rather than risking pissing him off
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:04 PM
ChoppinBroccoli (3,717 posts)
42. I Don't Understand Why He Lied To Congress And Witness Tampered To Protect An Obviously Innocent Man
(Insert major sarcasm emoji here)
This is how we should be framing this. WHO was Stone protecting by lying to Congress and witness tampering. Do you do that for someone who's completely and totally innocent? Do you engage in a cover-up for an innocent person? I would LOVE to hear how the Trump ballwashers spin this as NOT an implicit conviction of Trump. |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:09 PM
bullwinkle428 (20,600 posts)
46. Cue the RW noise machine - "Stone is a political prisoner!!1!1!"
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:10 PM
getagrip_already (11,768 posts)
47. How many years is he facing?
I know, sentancing guidelines are complicated.
But what is the back of the envelope estimate? |
Response to getagrip_already (Reply #47)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:16 PM
marlakay (11,055 posts)
52. The lawyers on MSNBC
Says he won’t get anywhere near full 50 years. More like 5-10 but at his age any is bad for him. I wonder if Trump will pardon him for not talking.
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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #47)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:16 PM
OliverQ (3,363 posts)
53. Maximum based on statutes is 50 years.
But he'll definitely get way less than that.
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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #47)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:18 PM
OldManTarHeel (434 posts)
56. Facing 30+ Years.
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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #47)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:18 PM
BumRushDaShow (118,762 posts)
58. The NYT indicated this -
/snip
Although the most serious charge against Mr. Stone carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, his sentence will almost certainly be much lighter. Working against him could be his multiple run-ins earlier this year with Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who is overseeing the case and will preside over sentencing, set for Feb. 6. After a series of infractions, including posting a photo of the judge with an image of cross-hairs next to her head on Instagram in February, she banned him from social media. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/us/politics/roger-stone-trial-guilty.html |
Response to getagrip_already (Reply #47)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:21 PM
C Moon (11,933 posts)
95. I'd be surprised if he gets 1 year. This is great news, but after watching these rich white aholes
get away with so much, I'm not holding my breath on him getting a rough sentence.
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Response to C Moon (Reply #95)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:08 PM
lastlib (21,545 posts)
101. Judge is Amy Jackson, IIRC.....
Considering the shit she has dealt with in, and leading up to, this trial, I doubt she will go easy on him. I'd put money on at least 15 years to 30.
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Response to lastlib (Reply #101)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 06:46 PM
blueseas (11,575 posts)
116. Thanks for the reminder
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:14 PM
lunasun (21,646 posts)
48. Stone you dropped like a rock
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:16 PM
ResistantAmerican17 (3,436 posts)
50. I wonder if Epstein's old cell is clean and empty.
Response to ResistantAmerican17 (Reply #50)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:11 PM
lastlib (21,545 posts)
103. Empty except for the rope.......
Response to lastlib (Reply #103)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 06:53 PM
TheRealNorth (8,944 posts)
117. And all the cameras are still broken
And all the guards still have narcolepsy
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Response to Chin music (Reply #128)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:17 PM
wnylib (20,419 posts)
140. Too obvious after Epstein.
There are 2 and a half months to go before sentencing. Plenty of time for an "accident" or exposure to a fatal illness.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:16 PM
OliverQ (3,363 posts)
51. Sucks that Stone was allowed to go home while waiting for sentencing.
He should have been put in jail immediately.
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Response to OliverQ (Reply #51)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:22 PM
Peregrine Took (7,392 posts)
63. I agree. You or I wouldn't get a break like that with 7 convictions.
Same thing with the sentencing.
The statutes say he could get up to 50 years but it seems white collar crooks are entitled to a much lighter sentence - maybe just a few years was implied. |
Response to OliverQ (Reply #51)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:32 PM
matt819 (10,749 posts)
69. Agreed. BTW, what is the max sentence? (nt)
I've seen links to commentary earlier this year that he's likely to spend the rest of his life in jail. |
Response to matt819 (Reply #69)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:39 PM
OliverQ (3,363 posts)
72. Max is 50 years, but he's not going to get anywhere near that.
Response to OliverQ (Reply #51)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:28 PM
FakeNoose (30,789 posts)
106. Michael Cohen got the same thing
Cohen even had a shoulder operation while he was waiting to be locked up for 3 years.
I'm betting that Stone has to wear a tracking boot or something else. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to OliverQ (Reply #51)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:26 PM
wnylib (20,419 posts)
142. But imagine all the possibilities for accidents
while he is out free. Less obvious than the Epstein treatment.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:17 PM
AkFemDem (1,535 posts)
54. Thank you Mr Mueller.
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:18 PM
MontanaMama (22,654 posts)
57. Is Stone holding a bible in this pic?
Good grief. Jesus apparently wasn't on your jury Roger!!
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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #57)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:04 PM
47of74 (18,470 posts)
87. Well if Jesus had been in the jury
Roger would be relocating to a warmer climate.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:19 PM
Marthe48 (14,673 posts)
59. Good news today
This guy needs to be slowed down or stopped. Such a destructive person for so long.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:20 PM
OnlinePoker (5,601 posts)
60. My Mom always said you're judged by the company you keep
The number of Trump associates who have gone to prison sure says a lot.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:22 PM
Docreed2003 (16,046 posts)
62. !!!!!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:28 PM
SleeplessinSoCal (8,372 posts)
65. "Mr Stone, have you anything to say on your behalf before sentencing?"
Stone: "Yes. Pardon me."
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:30 PM
InAbLuEsTaTe (24,001 posts)
66. SWEEEEET!!!
![]() Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!! Either way, they're stronger together!! Welcome to the revolution!!! |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:30 PM
berni_mccoy (23,018 posts)
68. He will be pardoned
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:36 PM
KPN (15,214 posts)
70. Turning out to be an epic day already!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:39 PM
UTUSN (69,016 posts)
73. *Decades* of waiting for this! How will Nikki STONE console herself?!1
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:44 PM
Initech (98,636 posts)
74. WE GOT HIM!!!!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:45 PM
ramen (724 posts)
75. timely video
Response to ramen (Reply #75)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:50 PM
Initech (98,636 posts)
77. If you're under investigation for Russian collusion, you probably shouldn't be drinking Stoli!
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Response to ramen (Reply #75)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:29 AM
Chin music (23,000 posts)
130. That suit should be a sentencing multiplier..
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:53 PM
AlexSFCA (6,110 posts)
79. is pardon coming?
or how many years in prison he will be sentenced for? I wonder if Epstein “suicide” was a message to folks like stone, manafort, cohen, etc.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:53 PM
iluvtennis (18,930 posts)
80. I call BS on Stone being free until sentencing in Feb 2020. That's "white collar crime privilege"
If a normal everyday working joe were found guilty, they would have been handcuffed and put in jail to await their sentencing. Just not fair.
Anyhoo, so glad the cretin was found guilty of all charges. |
Response to iluvtennis (Reply #80)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:01 PM
Me. (35,454 posts)
83. Same Here
can you imagine if he was black?
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:55 PM
DinahMoeHum (21,402 posts)
81. WOMP WOMP WOMP
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 01:59 PM
LonePirate (13,202 posts)
82. LOCK HIM UP!
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:02 PM
47of74 (18,470 posts)
84. Lock him the FUCK up.
Response to 47of74 (Reply #84)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:36 AM
orleans (33,211 posts)
132. um...ok...but let's wait till february. (grrrrr)
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:02 PM
KY_EnviroGuy (14,413 posts)
85. One of the most corrupt men involved in American politics finally goes down.
Republicans have been lying to the American public for so long, they've lost all consciousness of when they do it....
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jim__ (13,876 posts)
88. Great news!
Now, what does Trump do?
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:17 PM
Vogon_Glory (8,893 posts)
91. This administration ought to go down as
The administration of convictions.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:18 PM
samnsara (17,219 posts)
92. is he carrying a bible?
Response to samnsara (Reply #92)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:28 PM
lunasun (21,646 posts)
122. Praise Jesus Hallelujah yes it is He is saved
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/14/roger-stone-has-turned-god-spiritual-adviser-randy/
EXCLUSIVE: Roger Stone's spiritual adviser says embattled political operative has 'turned to God' As a former colleague from President Trump’s 2016 campaign delivered damning testimony in the perjury trial of right-wing gadfly Roger Stone, the accused sat quietly at the defense table and did something no one expected: He read the Bible. The sight of Mr. Stone quietly thumbing through the Good Book contrasted sharply with the outlandish persona of the longtime GOP operative whose profane and vulgar texts dominated the prosecution’s case. ![]() |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:19 PM
gibraltar72 (7,320 posts)
93. Rogers defense goes over like a Stone.
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:19 PM
Jarqui (9,731 posts)
94. Giuliani talking about having insurance ...
Stone probably has the goods tying Trump to Wikileaks.
Trump already sounds like he's considering a pardon as he talks about unfairness. Won't be in this news cycle. They're all corrupt so it wouldn't shock me. |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:41 PM
Nitram (21,758 posts)
96. Yes! I hope the more pessimistic DU contributors will take note.
The system does work. This could well play into impeachment. This is evidence of Trump campaign collusion with Russia and Wikileaks.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:51 PM
SWBTATTReg (20,499 posts)
97. BOOM!!! Another trump cronie taken down...one by one, all will go down, all will suffer, all...
will feel what being a felon is.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:51 PM
MarcA (2,195 posts)
98. He has admitted to what he did and shown no remorse.
In a society with any sense of what is wrong he would face restitution.
In his case while he is incarcerated that would mean invasive studies could be done to determine why he did what he did. |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:51 PM
Efilroft Sul (3,484 posts)
99. It's Roger's time in the barrel.
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:09 PM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
102. Whooooh! It's Roger's time in the barrel!
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:28 PM
Hekate (86,564 posts)
107. That's what I call a day-brightener. He's taking Dick Nixon with him too.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:36 PM
TygrBright (20,439 posts)
108. May he serve as many days as Mumia Abu-Jamal. n/t
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 05:13 PM
napi21 (45,806 posts)
112. I heeard several atty. tn conaultants say the sntence for 7 cts would be 50+ years, but in this
case would likely be significantly shorter. y guess is it will be around 10 years. Let's see if DT pardons this JA, or if he joins his comrads under all the busses DT has out in the parking lot.
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Response to napi21 (Reply #112)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 05:21 PM
BumRushDaShow (118,762 posts)
113. The sentences could be concurrent
And there are possibilities of how to handle a "pardon". I.e., a full pardon or just a commutation of sentence - which is what Shrub did with respect to Scooter Libby - not doing the full pardon and leaving the charges in place, but removing the prison sentence (although Drumpf did eventually do the complete pardon removing the charges against Libby later IIRC
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 06:34 PM
Pepsidog (6,199 posts)
114. If Manafort sentencing shows us anything, let's not celebrate yet. If he has no record he won't be
put in prison for the rest of his life.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 06:54 PM
bluescribbler (2,039 posts)
118. The chickens come home to roost.
Couldn't happen to a nicer, (more deserving), gut.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 07:08 PM
BootinUp (45,007 posts)
120. Just desserts. Nt
Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:51 AM
Marcuse (7,177 posts)
124. Reunited and it feels so good!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:34 AM
orleans (33,211 posts)
131. why is he going to be sentenced in february?
guilty on all 7 counts and will be sentenced when we get around to it? in the meantime, maybe you can get some things together & leave the country until trump can pardon you? maybe you'll be pardoned before sentencing?
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 03:03 AM
quakerboy (13,743 posts)
133. Why
does he get to drive off off in a fancy SUV with his wife after being found guilty across the board, with sentencing not for nearly 3 months, while he gets to run around free?
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:29 AM
NCLefty (3,678 posts)
134. Huh. Looks like Roger Stone did something wrong after all. I guess he'll be refunding the 3 people
who bought his stupid t-shirts. :p
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:30 AM
MartyTheGreek (543 posts)
136. So then this is the Collusion!
Does this not prove once and for all that Trump coordinated through Stone for updates and coordinated leaks against Clinton, from data that was stolen by Rusky hackers, under the direction of Pukin and Trump knew where the data came from all along! And, hence the need to keep it all secret!
Media should be reporting illegal Conspiracy Proven! |
Response to MartyTheGreek (Reply #136)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:48 AM
BumRushDaShow (118,762 posts)
138. Exactly.
Yet they are still in the "Well the Mueller probe really didn't find anything and only suggested that congress pursue obstruction of justice and...blah blah blah" bullshit dismissive remarks (despite the fact that a number of people were indicted and jailed).
![]() Yet THIS was the money case. Cohen was spun off for other criminal acts associated with the President. Manafort was spun off for his own criminal acts associated with the President. Flynn was spun off for his own criminal acts associated with the President. And minor players Papadopoulos & Gates were low-hanging fruit who were oddly dismissed from the media focus regarding "collusion" (conspiracy). But for those obsessing over the "technicalities" of Russia and the election - THIS IS IT. Cozy Bear/Fancy Bear/Guccifer2.0 hacked the DNC server (a la the Watergate break-in and theft of DNC files) and gave the emails to Assange and Wikileaks... And Stone (G. Gordon Liddy-style) was directing the operation and was the conduit to/from the President to ensure that info made it out to as many media people as possible, helping to manufacture and amplify a fake narrative and tilt the election. ![]() |
Response to MartyTheGreek (Reply #136)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 01:16 PM
Imperialism Inc. (2,494 posts)
143. Well, not really.
I mean the guy that was his "intermediary", never actually had any info or connections. He was just BSing Stone. At least that's what Mueller seems to have believed. Otherwise they wouldn't be using the guy as a witness, if they thought he was lying to them. He also, wouldn't have said he didn't find any evidence of coordination.
Stone was going around pretending he had an inside track to wikileaks but wikileaks publicly called him a liar. This lead to his only private Twitter exchange with the wikileaks Twitter page. In it wikileaks chastises him about lying about working with them. The real story seems to be a bunch of goofy halfwits conning each other to seem more important than they really were. Now, the Trump campaign did think Stone had real connections but he didn't. That's probably why Trump obstructed so much. He thought they were colluding! As I said elsewhere it was one bumbling conman conning another bumbling conman who in turned was conning the presidential campaign of another bumbling conman. A Trumpian story if ever there was one. Link to tweet |
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