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Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:41 AM

*THREAD 3 IMPEACHMENT HEARING**

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Reply *THREAD 3 IMPEACHMENT HEARING** (Original post)
bdamomma Nov 15 OP
dalton99a Nov 15 #1
nolabear Nov 15 #2
bdamomma Nov 15 #4
bdamomma Nov 15 #3
demmiblue Nov 15 #5
backtoblue Nov 15 #6
Wednesdays Nov 15 #9
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 15 #13
bdamomma Nov 15 #17
hatrack Nov 15 #25
Sophia_Of_PlanetX Nov 15 #33
nolabear Nov 15 #7
crickets Nov 15 #12
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 15 #8
Wednesdays Nov 15 #10
GoCubsGo Nov 15 #20
crickets Nov 15 #14
nolabear Nov 15 #18
bdamomma Nov 15 #11
Politicub Nov 15 #15
nolabear Nov 15 #21
bdamomma Nov 15 #34
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #19
backtoblue Nov 15 #16
bdamomma Nov 15 #22
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #26
luvs2sing Nov 15 #29
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #66
luvs2sing Nov 15 #76
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #80
calimary Nov 16 #85
crickets Nov 15 #23
demmiblue Nov 15 #24
demmiblue Nov 15 #32
NewJeffCT Nov 15 #39
bdamomma Nov 15 #27
bdamomma Nov 15 #28
Ilsa Nov 15 #30
bdamomma Nov 15 #31
crickets Nov 15 #35
riversedge Nov 15 #36
crickets Nov 15 #40
Autumn Nov 15 #60
demmiblue Nov 15 #37
bdamomma Nov 15 #41
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #43
demmiblue Nov 15 #47
nolabear Nov 15 #51
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #58
crickets Nov 15 #68
H2O Man Nov 15 #38
crickets Nov 15 #42
H2O Man Nov 15 #46
klook Nov 15 #49
crickets Nov 15 #55
bdamomma Nov 15 #67
bdamomma Nov 15 #44
H2O Man Nov 15 #50
Wednesdays Nov 15 #45
H2O Man Nov 15 #53
nolabear Nov 15 #48
H2O Man Nov 15 #59
bdamomma Nov 15 #72
crickets Nov 15 #73
demmiblue Nov 15 #52
H2O Man Nov 15 #61
backtoblue Nov 15 #56
H2O Man Nov 15 #62
backtoblue Nov 15 #70
H2O Man Nov 15 #81
crickets Nov 15 #84
calimary Nov 16 #86
bdamomma Nov 15 #54
brooklynite Nov 15 #57
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 15 #63
H2O Man Nov 15 #64
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 15 #65
H2O Man Nov 15 #83
hlthe2b Nov 15 #69
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 15 #71
Leith Nov 15 #75
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 15 #78
BumRushDaShow Nov 15 #79
demmiblue Nov 15 #74
bdamomma Nov 15 #77
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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:41 AM

1. Kick

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:44 AM

2. There you are! It didn't come up for me at first.

Thank you so much for doing this. I’m already but I’m happy for the support here.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:46 AM

4. thanks nolabear

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:44 AM

3. K&R

nt

sorry it's up now was trying to get it posted quickly

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:47 AM

5. Thank you (I wish people would post in these threads, instead of starting countless others). n/t

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:47 AM

6. How the hell is Fox going to spin this?

Witness intimidation, live tv, credible witness.

My heart is with the Ambassador. I lend her all of my strenghth. God speed madam.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:50 AM

9. They'll bypass her

And rant about procedure. Sure as the sun will rise in the east.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:53 AM

13. that sounds right ...

I expect Fox will point out Schiff's attempts to keep Repukes from delaying Yovanovitch with "point of order" crap.

They will play the victim.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:55 AM

17. I hate to say this

but Blasey-Ford was smeared like this too. Horrible, woman will not stand by and watch this smearing. We will rise.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:58 AM

25. "War On Thanksgiving!!!" OMG!!!

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:06 AM

33. They're saying that she was a bad / corrupt diplomat, and she has a vendetta.

She’s out to get Trump and wants revenge. Our God Emperor, Trump, removed her as part of his efforts to drain the swamp.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:49 AM

7. Late in but let me say something on her opening statement:

The fact that she eloquently evokes the death of another woman killed by corrupt Ukrainians’ thugs when she got the news of her own dismissal puts the thug in the WH in horrifying light as he threatens and tries to intimidate her.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:51 AM

12. Absolutely. That was horrifying and difficult to hear.

I can't imagine living through it and having to relive it now. It underlined the reality of how threatened she felt during the smear campaign.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:49 AM

8. ABC (broadcast) talkers ripping Trump over tweet

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:51 AM

10. CNN is too. nt

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:56 AM

20. PBS, as well.

They likened it to a grenade being tossed into the whole thing, and blowing up whatever it is his party has been trying to do. They also said the GOP's strategy today, in general, is stupid.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:55 AM

14. MSNBC as well

Also ripping up Giuliani and co. and [Solomon/Hannity though not by name] as "ridiculous pretend news outlets".

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:56 AM

18. Good! I hope they're eloquent about it. Repeatedly.

He’s a thug and a monster.

They’re showing the actual tweet on MSNBC right now.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:51 AM

11. c span callers are on

but I at this point do not want to hear those repig callers. I am so upset.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:55 AM

15. This has shaken me more than any of the witnesses so far

The fact that the president was trying to intimidate Yovanovitch at the same moment she was speaking about his intimidation was chilling.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:57 AM

21. I hope it helps a lot in bringing him down. By his own tiny hand.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:08 AM

34. again he is

nailing his own coffin, keep on doing it tRumpie. Keep on doing it.

You have no defense, and the repigs have no defense. And I do not want to hear McConnell either with his lies.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:56 AM

19. I hear ya about the GOP propaganda crazies that jam the lines to call CSPAN

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:55 AM

16. "What happened to my goddamned country"

Chris Matthews!

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:57 AM

22. well hopefully

maybe these news outlets will smear tRump now, he needs to be. Bloomberg put your millions into ending FOX News.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:59 AM

26. I won't put him on but Tweety & Scarfaceborough & Mrs. Greenspan helped get us here

I.e, THEY were "what happened to" (our) "goddamned country" (but her emails).


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Response to backtoblue (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:02 AM

29. He did say goddamned!

I ran out to the kitchen to grab a fizzy and wasn’t sure I heard correctly.

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Response to luvs2sing (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:41 AM

66. "I ran out to the kitchen to grab a fizzy"

Wait... what is a fizzy? A soda?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:45 AM

76. Fizzy water.

Sparkling water. Lemon, to be exact. 😂

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Response to luvs2sing (Reply #76)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:48 AM

80. Okay.

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Response to luvs2sing (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:47 AM

85. A Fizzy! I loved those when I was a kid!

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:58 AM

23. "How did our president jump the wall and get on the other side, attacking Americans..."

Tweety is MAD. He is on a roll. I don't usually care to listen to him, but today he is on point.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 10:58 AM

24. Chris Wallace on Fox News: "If you were not moved by the testimony of Marie Yovanovitch, you don't..

Chris Wallace on Fox News: "If you were not moved by the testimony of Marie Yovanovitch, you don’t have a pulse...This wasn’t just testimony about the past; this played out in real time…It seems to me that this has been very powerful testimony this morning."


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Response to demmiblue (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:04 AM

32. Video:

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:13 AM

39. Even Bret Baier

was condemning Trump over the tweet. Wallace is not a huge surprise, but Baier doing it as well is more of a surprise.


?s=20

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:00 AM

27. C span is talking to

a repig representative and when asked by the reporter was she a victim in a smear campaign could not answer no or yes.

Again this is all about well she's a woman and she is talking about her feelings. FUCK SHE WAS THREATENED.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:02 AM

28. JUST POSTING THIS TOO.

&feature=youtu.be

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:03 AM

30. My other hero, Chuck Rosenberg, just called Pompeo a coward.

Said he was spineless for not standing up for his ambassadors.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:03 AM

31. They (C Span)

they are just talking to these fucking repigs who have the same talking points and will not support this testimony.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:08 AM

35. Pompeo is now being called out on MSNBC

Being called a coward, that his silence is deafening and disgusting. Asked about complicity, said that is to be determined down the road, but his is a complete failure of leadership. Again, coward.

Strong words. I don't know the name of the man who was speaking. Can anybody tell me who that was?


eta I see that was likely Chuck Rosenberg. He was great, very solemn but obviously furious.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:10 AM

36. @KamalaHarris · 12m Witness intimidation is a crime....video of Trump intimidating a witness......


Kamala Harris
@KamalaHarris

Witness intimidation is a crime.


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********KEN STARR TRIES TO DOWNPLAY TRUMP DOING THE WITNESS INTIMINIDATION

Replying to
@KamalaHarris
Ken Starr on FoxNews right now.

He said Trump was definitely not advised by lawyers to send that tweet.

He went on to say, he didn’t think it rose to the level of witness tampering but it was no doubt injurious.
MarkD
@MarkDoldon
·
3m
"any attempt to change or prevent testimony" It is a crime, by any interpretation. Shall we ask the courts?



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Response to riversedge (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:14 AM

40. Oh, Ken Starr can pack it in his kit bag.

"he didn’t think it rose to the level of witness tampering but it was no doubt injurious."

Uh-huh.

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Response to crickets (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:35 AM

60. As far as little guy Star is concerned if it doesn't involve a penis that he can

obsess over it's not an impeachable offense. Nothing else can catch his attention.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:11 AM

37. ASSHOLE (R): Republican Rep. Lee Zeldin says Dems focused more on Yovanovitch's feelings...

Republican Rep. Lee Zeldin says Dems focused more on Yovanovitch's feelings during the first part of her hearing. "They wanted her to cry for the cameras"






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Response to demmiblue (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:14 AM

41. fuck them

This is an Ambassador who was doing her job. And was threatened.

Yes, who can forget that asshole Kavanaugh. He was crying too.

We will rise.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:19 AM

43. That's the new talking point because I just caught a CSPAN GOP loon caller say the same thing

about "her feelings".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:26 AM

47. So Wednesday's talking point was "boring", today's is "feelings".

And, of course it is "feelings" because she is a woman.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:28 AM

51. Exactly. They're trying to diminish her. Bastards.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:34 AM

58. The live witness intimidation tweet essentially torpedoed their bullshit about her "feelings"

and only underscored the point of being under attack.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:43 AM

68. Yup! One of many times Donny's inability to control himself backfires on him spectacularly. nt

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:13 AM

38. A question:

Are you enjoying this day?

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:17 AM

42. No. It's cathartic to see necessary action finally being taken,

but it is not enjoyable. Lots of other emotions along with some catharsis, but enjoyment? No.

How about you?

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Response to crickets (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:20 AM

46. I like what the

Democrats are doing. And I have great respect for the witnesses thus far. At the same time, I do resent that such a group of mobsters were able to infect our institutions.

A childhood friend (an former Marine) just left. He was so angry watching the hearing. So I recognize that we all process it in an individual way.

For me, the more we stick to the Constitution, the happier I am.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:27 AM

49. Your reaction mirrors mine.

We are witnessing, in real time, heroism on the field of constitutional battle.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:31 AM

55. On the same page.

Sending quiet support along to your Marine friend. What the country is going through right now is difficult and painful for everyone who's paying any attention, but for the military it can cut deep on another level.

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Response to crickets (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:42 AM

67. oh for sure

our military has been treated horribly.

Look at this thread.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100212688569

all roads lead to Putin.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:19 AM

44. In an way

hearing the truth and facts yes, but I can do without all the smearing of this professional. Fuck the repigs changing the narrative about Democratic Leadership only worried about her feelings. Fuck them.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:27 AM

50. There is a lot

of horror being uncovered here, and the republicans' behavior now is adding to it. I think that their ill behavior will turn off those who are either undecided about impeachment, or not firm in their beliefs.

Restoring constitutional norms is going to be a difficult and ugly job. I'm pleased to see the Democrats hard at work at it.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:19 AM

45. "Enjoying" it like being dropped from a 20-storey building

Hoping there's a safety net somewhere below.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #45)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:30 AM

53. The republicans have

been trying to bury democracy. They've been doing so for a long time, with an increasingly dangerous pace in the Trump era. The Democrats are pulling democracy out of the grave the republicans have dug, and the public is learning that democracy still has a heart-beat.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:27 AM

48. Not exactly. It's a solemn, sad occasion and I fear for her. But

I’m proud of our patriots and the fact they’re opposing this authoritarian attempt at destroying everything we’ve worked for as a country.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:35 AM

59. Well said!

It is not pleasant to watch the republicans fighting against the Constitution -- and that is exactly what they are doing. They are dangerous, for sure. And the international mob, of which Trump is part of, posing serious threats to democracy, and to those individuals who dare challenge them. That part is definitely sobering.

Yet, we are stronger than them. And we ar engaged in the effort to expose their crimes, and hold them reponsible. The rule of law will prevail.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:44 AM

72. 243 years

and they want to do this

No fucking way, this is our country, and we will save it. Truth over lies.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:44 AM

73. +1

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:30 AM

52. I am enjoying the fact that this brave woman is getting her voice heard...

by millions of people.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #52)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:36 AM

61. Right!

This powerful lady is inspirational. And I think that those millions of people will find the bitter attacks on her unacceptable.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:33 AM

56. I find the Ambassador's testimony horrifying

She was at an event to honor an activist woman who was murdered by having acid thrown in her face. During that event, she gets a terrifying call to immediately leave for her own security.

She is testifying on live television and the president of her own country sends a tweet that reads like he's a mob boss.


I feel like I swallowed a brick. At the same time Im so grateful to have this put in the open.

Scared, depressed, and hopeful at the same time.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #56)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:39 AM

62. Thanks!

You have summed it up perfectly.

The Trump mob wanted to silence her. And their associates would have killed her, if she hadn't been recalled from her position. But it has back-fired, as now she can speak on a much larger stage.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:44 AM

70. Im also apprehensive about the timimg of the tweet

It was an explosive moment that will likely get more people to watch....just in time for the gop shitshow.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:49 AM

81. Yep.

We can expect the republican machine to be coordinating with the beast -- and Trump is the beast. They had a bad day on Wednesday, and will thus bring everything they've got to the fight to distract, disrupt, and threaten today. And I'm aware that they are dangerous .....to individuals, and the country.

I have the greatest respect for this lady. She knows all this, but still is confronting their evil.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:54 AM

84. True re timing. Another good point being made about his live tweet

is that it was not only intended to intimidate Yovanovitch. It was intended to intimidate any and all future witnesses.

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Response to crickets (Reply #84)

Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:59 AM

86. Yep. THIS.

I’m so impressed with her. She’s incredibly poised. Our diplomats are a very special kind of road warriors.

She’s a patriot.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:31 AM

54. just think

there will be more testimony and more truth and facts coming out in the next couple of weeks.

This is not over but just the beginning. All of us who believe in the truth and facts will be on the right side of history.

Just ask any of those asshole repigs if they even care about the Constitution. They would say "what Constitution".

Women will not stand by and be intimidated or bullied.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:33 AM

57. Adam Schiff: "We saw Witness Intimidation in Real Time"

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:39 AM

63. what are the chances Chairman Schiff is chastising GOPers during the break?

Was this long break before Nunes / Castor already scheduled, or is it being extra long to deal with something that came up during the hearing?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:39 AM

64. 100%

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #64)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:41 AM

65. I remember something in the rules about deducting time

I do not remember the circumstances which would trigger that deduction.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #65)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:52 AM

83. One thing I

keep in mind is that Adam Schiff was one of Laurence Tribe's favorite students. Chairman Schiff is among my all-time favorite leaders in US political history. I'm confident he will enforce the rules, including some that none of the republican scum are aware of.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:43 AM

69. the break was to allow all to vote... there are several votes scheduled.

Who knows what else is ongoing, but officially they HAD to break to vote.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:44 AM

71. thank you

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:45 AM

75. Chairman Schiff said it was for a vote

It has been more than an hour now. I hope he is chastising rethugs, but that would probably make them worse.

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Response to Leith (Reply #75)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:47 AM

78. GOPers can get worse? that's a dreary thought.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:48 AM

79. They have been voting.

and apparently debating amendments related to the Export-Import Bank reauthorization - H.R. 4863.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:45 AM

74. When you've lost ken Starr......

Ken Starr on Fox News: “The president was not advised by counsel in deciding to do this tweet. Extraordinarily poor judgment… Obviously this was quite injurious.”


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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2019, 11:46 AM

77. Hey you guys

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