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Tue Nov 12, 2019, 08:28 AM

Don't let Republicans focus on "the phone call". This was a multi-month extortion conspiracy.

The phone call between Trump and Zelensky was not the basis of the crime. It is one damning piece of evidence of an orchestrated multi-player national security sell out. The crime was carefully formulated and carried out by a team working at Trump's direction and it took place in multiple ways, at multiple times, and in multiple locations. The totality of the evidence must always be front and center

Damning as it may be, Republicans want to focus on that one phone call because if that is examined outside of its full context, then the impeachment burden of proof rests on how certain words spoken in a single instance are interpreted. That lends itself to a "Trump always talks that way, it may be inappropriate but it isn't impeachable" defense. Republicans want to fight on the grounds of a single phone call, a single "spontaneous" moment in time. We can't let them boil it down to that.

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Reply Don't let Republicans focus on "the phone call". This was a multi-month extortion conspiracy. (Original post)
Tom Rinaldo Nov 12 OP
NRaleighLiberal Nov 12 #1
panader0 Nov 12 #2
duforsure Nov 12 #3
uponit7771 Nov 12 #4
gab13by13 Nov 12 #9
MFGsunny Nov 12 #5
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 12 #6
OnDoutside Nov 12 #7
not fooled Nov 12 #8
blakstoneranger Nov 12 #10
erpowers Nov 12 #11
mgardener Nov 12 #12
grantcart Nov 12 #13
robbob Nov 12 #14
Martin Eden Nov 13 #15
moondust Nov 13 #16
Joe941 Nov 13 #17

Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 08:32 AM

1. trump's "reign" has been a three year plus, multi part crime.

He is so dirty that it is hard to keep it all straight...and that is for us here at DU. With the media being so ineffective (half of it peddling non stop propaganda and lies), it is no wonder most of the country - which is likely very misinformed - has no ability to follow along (never mind pay any attention at all).

We are in bizarre times.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 08:55 AM

2. Kand R

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 09:04 AM

3. What these Congressional Republicans are missing is...

... Trump's using them now ,but if he escapes conviction he'll bypass them in Congress and all judges , then they'll be exposed by trump as corrupt using that as his excuse, and claim absolute power to do anything, anything he wants with no one to stop him. Trump's putin's personal thug here, doing everything he can to please his master by undermining and weaponizing OUR government against us. Barr has already helped him to start using his agency against us.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 09:31 AM

4. K&R, The wording here is very important. Democrats need to say bribery and call it a crime

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:38 AM

9. yES, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT,

bumped the caps lock but maybe for a reason. No more quid pro quo, bribery or extortion, with a side order of treason, for sure the dictionary definition of treason.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:10 AM

5. what is in fact "perfect" is the OP analysis here ..... BRAVO!

"Multi-player national security sell out"

No doubt Schiff knows this, but the American public must come to see and hear that ::

"The crime was carefully formulated and carried out by a team working at Trump's direction and it took place in multiple ways, at multiple times, and in multiple locations. The totality of the evidence must always be front and center."

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:17 AM

6. Exactly right. Important point. . . . nt

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:17 AM

7. Lol, that was funny....Danny Heck was on with Hallie Jackson and she hit him with not saying Quid

Pro Quo, and

Danny responded "Using Latin phrases is not something I normally do, per se"

Jackson replied "Period ? Ever ?"

Whoosh !!!

I'm sure someone will explain it to her during the ad break !

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:34 AM

8. Just think about all the other countries

red don and his criminal cabal probably extorted (or tried to). I suspect they have been doing similar sh*t ever since they got in the White House.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:47 AM

10. NO PUBLIC HEARINGS

The republicans want to turn this into a sh.tt show for trumps entertainment. So trump can marvel at the performance of his flunkies. Tom Rinaldo is right 100%. But the hearings should be private and then let the public know afterwards. The witnesses may not say the same things, they may change their stories, they may conveniently forget, or plead the 5th (can't though). Who knows but whatever happens trump will turn this into his own personal reality sh..t-show. IGNORANCE OF THE LAW OR JUST BEING PLAIN STUPID IS NO EXCUSE!!!

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:54 AM

11. I Had A Similar Question

While reading an article about the Ukraine issue it began the seem that the Ukraine issue involved more than just one phone call. It began to seem that the issue had involved a number of actions on multiple days. I wondered if Democrats should begin to focus on the things that happened that were connected to the phone call. However, it seemed that beginning to discuss the things that were connected to the phone call could allow Republicans to claim that Democrats were moving the goal posts. So, how do you think Democrats should explain, to the American people, beginning to focus on the things that were connected to the phone call and not just on the phone call?

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:13 AM

12. The allotted money by Congress

Would have expired on Sept. 29.
The money was released on 9/11.
Trump did not "release the money", State Dept lawyers did because they felt it was illegal to withhold .
Trump let Gulliani lose in the Ukraine to work behind the scenes deals. Either Guiliani was working for himself with the POTUS blessing or he was working for Trump.


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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:16 AM

13. Bingo

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:17 AM

14. Wasn't tRump just saying this the other day?

He was saying how he would release more of the call “since that is the whole point of this”, or something like that. He’s so transparent; whatever he says/does is the exact opposite of what is true.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 06:36 AM

15. Exactly

This was a sustained coordinated campaign of extortion.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 07:07 AM

16. Yes.

I think it's possible the whole thing started with Dump's desperation to find the help he needs to get re-elected so he can stay out of jail. His gang figured consistent front-runner Biden would pose the biggest threat and probably end up with the nomination so they set out to find a way to start undermining him. Biden family exposure in Ukraine plus U.S. leverage over Ukraine looked like a good place to start the takedown.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2019, 07:07 AM

17. I think we should focus on the Mueller report.

 

That seems to be more damning than Ukraine.

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