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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:21 AM

The prophecy of Adam Gopnik in the New Yorker, May 20, 2016


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Adam Gopnik (born August 24, 1956) is an American writer and essayist. He is best known as a staff writer for The New Yorkeróto which he has contributed non-fiction, fiction, memoir and criticism since 1986[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gopnik

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Reply The prophecy of Adam Gopnik in the New Yorker, May 20, 2016 (Original post)
Fla Dem Nov 11 OP
MontanaMama Nov 11 #1
Wounded Bear Nov 11 #2
Pepsidog Nov 11 #3
Texin Nov 11 #4
Mme. Defarge Nov 11 #20
gibraltar72 Nov 11 #5
usaf-vet Nov 11 #6
LuvNewcastle Nov 11 #7
Ilsa Nov 11 #8
joost5 Nov 11 #9
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 11 #10
KPN Nov 11 #22
FakeNoose Nov 11 #23
mountain grammy Nov 11 #11
Canoe52 Nov 11 #12
Duppers Nov 11 #14
KPN Nov 11 #21
mountain grammy Nov 11 #36
shanti Nov 11 #24
oldsoftie Nov 11 #27
not_the_one Nov 11 #33
mountain grammy Nov 11 #35
Lonestarblue Nov 11 #13
cstanleytech Nov 11 #18
shanti Nov 11 #26
extvbroadcaster Nov 11 #15
KPN Nov 11 #25
defacto7 Nov 11 #16
cstanleytech Nov 11 #17
saidsimplesimon Nov 11 #19
Hamlette Nov 11 #28
dewsgirl Nov 11 #29
Grasswire2 Nov 11 #30
Fla Dem Nov 11 #31
Grasswire2 Nov 11 #34
KPN Nov 11 #31
Blue_Tires Nov 11 #37
ismnotwasm Nov 11 #38
BlancheSplanchnik Nov 11 #39
Roland99 Nov 11 #40

Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:02 AM

1. This.

This explains exactly what has happened to America.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

2. Poignant...

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:13 AM

3. Should Dems take control of all three branches and embark on wholesale political, social, and

economic changes, we might emerge a stronger nation. Trump has exposed our weaknesses and where we go from here is up to us. Itís a tall order and letís hope one we can fulfill.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:16 AM

4. While correct, the countries mentioned never had long-standing democracies

or representative republics as the United States has had, and established early in its history. All of those countries mentioned were always ruled by monarchs or whichever thug managed to claw their way over the backs of other thugs to seize control. Russia, in particular, is a good example of that, in that it was first ruled by royalty, then by revolution, followed by those people who had supposedly risen to authority who then resorted to thuggery, in which a handful of the most powerful and influential thugs looted the coffers and brutalized their way into control over the majority of citizens.

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Response to Texin (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:57 AM

20. Thank you!

And there in lies my hope.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:19 AM

5. Didn't take an Einstein to figure that out.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:21 AM

6. WOW he sure hit the mark.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:22 AM

7. He's right.

I've lost faith in a lot of people who I thought would stop something like the Trump administration. I hope they're keeping an eye on him and are ready to stop him if he does something too awful. He's probably going to have to be removed by the military if he wins the next election. I just wonder if we'll be in a civil war after that happens.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:31 AM

8. We will need a lot of education to counter trump's

destructive influence on democracy.

I'm grateful for movies like Midway that present the depth of sacrifice. We need more that reflect the annihilation brought by fascism.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:38 AM

9. So much of our future hinges on this week.

It's scary as heck. A few patriots doing the right thing for our Constitutional Republic, revealing crimes, while the crazy Faux News right are in bizzaro world believing that it was AcTUaLLy Ukraine and Biden not Russia and Trump that tried to interfere in the 2016 elections. I'd laugh if this weren't so serious.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:40 AM

10. Gopnik has the antidote in 2019 book: A Thousand Small Sanities: The Moral Adventure of Liberalism


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Thousand_Small_Sanities

"Adam Gopnik finds kindness at the core of liberal values as he defends a way of life" review https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/12/a-thousand-small-sanities-moral-adventure-liberalism-adam-gopnik-review

"Liberalism is in fact vivid, activist, questing. It is a moral movement to fashion a world for all of us, in our kaleidoscopic complexity, to live, love and learn in. Right now, liberals do not need a philosophy lecture. They need a rallying cry, and Gopnik gives us one." review https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/cry-freedom-review-of-adam-gopniks-book-a-thousand-small-sanities/

An unflattering review https://newrepublic.com/article/153781/emptiness-adam-gopniks-liberalism-review-thousand-small-sanities

(Canadian)

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:13 PM

22. "Love is all we need" John Lennon

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:14 PM

23. Thanks I'll look for this book

I need to read hopeful words from liberals right now. There's way too much despair going around.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:42 AM

11. K & R

I can see people being taking in by a populist, but Trump is so very dumb, inarticulate, and phony it's almost mind boggling that 62 million Americans accepted this.. I believe much of that acceptance was ordered from the pulpit, and to many, directly from god. I think gay marriage put them over the cliff after abortion brought them to the edge, and the idea of a woman president is a bridge too far for any fundamentalist Christian.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:52 AM

12. +1,000

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:13 AM

14. Another +1000

Nailed it, grammy.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:09 PM

21. That ... and racism/white supremacy. Both are belief systems.

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Response to KPN (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:56 PM

36. Agree.. and I think that's at least half his base.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:19 PM

24. Yup

They felt that a Rep, ANY Rep would be better for them than a Dem with regard to their social issues, to their detriment.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:24 PM

27. I think his biggest asset was being a TV star. Look at how well Oprah polls.

If he had run without the Apprentice in his history I dont know that he would have won. People are just taken by celebrity bullshit
Look at how long "Keeping up with the Kardashians" has been on. And how they've ruined American culture.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:42 PM

33. What oldsoftie said!



Name recognition and star power... we are so easily influenced.

And I couldn't agree more about the Kardashians. Filthy rich and world famous for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Not to mention Kenya, the hanger-on. (misspelled on purpose)

Remember "It Should Happen To You", with Judy Holliday? She saw a billboard on Columbus Circle, paid to have her name put on it, and became famous just because millions of people saw her name. (Gladys Glover)

Celebrity for nothing.

edit - Holliday has two Ls.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:53 PM

35. I think that's why the media gave him so much free air time

good for ratings.. but something had to get people past his obvious incompetence and lack of knowlege about how the government works. Oprah is also a celebrity, but she has intelligence and empathy that we can see, and she wasn't born into wealth.

I don't know, maybe it was, but I look at the fervor for him from the "Christians" and I think there's a lot more going on. My evangelical inlaws are right wing trumpers because their preacher preaches it. You are right about the Kardashian crap.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:57 AM

13. The problem is the number of people who are ill informed or refuse to believe.

I forget what I was watching last night, but I saw part of an interview with a Trump supporter who completely believes that some mythical deep state of elites are out to get Trump and that he has never done anything wrong. After justifying her support by quoting conspiracy theories, her last comment was that she believed that Hillary Clinton was behind a lot of the attacks on Trump. I donít know the real size of Trumpís base because he has lost a lot of independents who voted for him last time, but letís say itís around 40 million. Thatís 40 million people who have no understanding of what democracy means or even an interest in learning real facts instead of buying into wacko ideas. Thatís fightening.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:40 AM

18. Every country's going to have those kind of morons though.

Rather than worrying about them we need to focus on getting the people who actually pay some attention out to vote.
If we can get them off their butts to the polls then we have a chance at getting some sanity back on our government.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:21 PM

26. The odds are against us

The stupids are many, the smarts are few.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:24 AM

15. Well said

Trump might be defeated, and go in the trash bin of history, but the wound is deep. How is America so weak as to not be able to remove such an obvious con man and criminal? The real warning is what is next. A real dictator that can charm the voters and Congress with a fake loyalty to America. It is good that Trump is such a crass buffoon. The next time we will not be so lucky.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:19 PM

25. Well said and spot on imo.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:36 AM

16. Stunning truth.

But not a surprise to me.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:38 AM

17. I don't think we're at that stage yet.

If he gets a second term yeah we're fucked but otherwise we can still recover at this point.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:49 AM

19. "the American experiment would be over"

Thank you, Fla Dem. Adam Gopnik for expressing the horrible possibility that our Republic is in grave danger of becoming a dictatorship.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:24 PM

28. I didn't believe it until a few months ago.

I thought we would survive and go on as a country. I think it is the GOP reaction to the Ukraine deal that shook me.

I'm also reading "The Cult of Trump" which is quite good and upsetting.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:38 PM

29. Heartbreaking.💔

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:42 PM

30. previous OP and thread

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #30)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:47 PM

31. Sorry Grasswire2, I did a site search for Adam Gopnik before I posted and your post didn't come up.

Had it come up, I wouldn't have duplicated it.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:52 PM

34. oh, it's fine. Just wanted to add link to other comments.

The comments on twitter itself are devasting, too.

A remarkable bit of writing.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:47 PM

31. It does seem already too late. How do we ever fully trust those 62,000,000 who voted for this

national horror show? How do you put toothpaste back in the tube?

On the upside, we are now aware of our own fallibility. There is that at least.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:53 PM

37. Truth...

But sadly, Hillary didn't "excite" enough people to the polls, or so I'm told...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:21 PM

38. And her emails

And her status fucking quo or something

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:28 PM

39. ...I've been feeling so sad, it's gotten to be a constant undertow

Since that pos got installed.

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Response to Fla Dem (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:15 PM

40. Wow

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