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triron Sunday OP
jberryhill Sunday #1
triron Sunday #5
jberryhill Sunday #6
jberryhill Sunday #7
BumRushDaShow Sunday #10
jberryhill Sunday #11
BumRushDaShow Sunday #12
triron Sunday #15
OhNo-Really Sunday #25
triron Sunday #31
OhNo-Really Sunday #32
Skittles Sunday #2
dlk Sunday #3
InAbLuEsTaTe Sunday #4
democrank Sunday #8
UTUSN Sunday #9
Laura PourMeADrink Sunday #13
fierywoman Sunday #17
Laura PourMeADrink Sunday #21
fierywoman Sunday #22
triron Sunday #26
bucolic_frolic Sunday #14
triron Sunday #16
RainCaster Sunday #19
Evolve Dammit Sunday #18
CaliforniaPeggy Sunday #20
TomSlick Sunday #23
dware Sunday #24
TomSlick Sunday #27
GP6971 Sunday #28
TomSlick Yesterday #33
empedocles Sunday #29
onenote Sunday #30

Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:14 PM

1. That, by the way, IS the whistleblower statue


Yep. Got that one bang on right, Triron.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:52 PM

5. Read the statute.

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Response to triron (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:01 PM

7. There is a more specific and applicable one


Yes, firing Vindman is unlawful retaliation

5 USC 2302:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/2302

(b) Any employee who has authority to take, direct others to take, recommend, or approve any personnel action, shall not, with respect to such authority—

(8) take or fail to take, or threaten to take or fail to take, a personnel action with respect to any employee or applicant for employment because of—
(A) any disclosure of information by an employee or applicant which the employee or applicant reasonably believes evidences—
(i) any violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or
(ii) gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety,
if such disclosure is not specifically prohibited by law and if such information is not specifically required by Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or the conduct of foreign affairs; or

(B) any disclosure to the Special Counsel, or to the Inspector General of an agency or another employee designated by the head of the agency to receive such disclosures, of information which the employee or applicant reasonably believes evidences—
(i) any violation (other than a violation of this section) of any law, rule, or regulation, or
(ii) gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety;

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:19 PM

10. Unfortunately

The NSC is all appointees who serve at the pleasure of the President.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3021

From what I understand, I don't think he is being "fired" but is being dismissed from the NSC. They could do it as a reassignment to somewhere else.

I remember reading some interesting article about how people go about applying to be on the Council and then I expect after the principals go through all the applicants, they can choose who to have appointed for some "x" term.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:23 PM

11. Having a power, and exercising it for an unlawful end, are different things


You don’t get to run people over and say, “But I have a driver’s license that allows me to drive a car!”

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:26 PM

12. Well in Drumpf's Wacky World

we have seen this movie before. See James Comey & Andy McCabe (and many others).

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:01 PM

15. Perhaps. I just googled "retaliation against a witness" and came up with 1513.

I am not at all educated in law (math and physics)

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Response to triron (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:55 PM

25. Ethics rules more applicable I think

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:01 PM

31. ????? WTF ? Sounds judgemental to me.

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Response to triron (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:11 PM

32. 😳 no words just confused 🤷🏻‍♀️

What is judgmental?

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:15 PM

2. yeah, if someone was going to do anything about it

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:21 PM

3. Given Barr's DOJ...

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:29 PM

4. 20 years is not long enough!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:04 PM

8. Recommended

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:10 PM

9. Hmmm, that's one sweet fast track!1

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:30 PM

13. Did I miss it? Something happened to Vindman?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:22 PM

17. Could this be about Vindman losing his White House job because

Spanky McBoneSpurs didn't like his testimony?

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Response to fierywoman (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:39 PM

21. Ya...just read demoted and fired !!! Impeach yesterday.

He's gotten away with everything for almost 3 yrs. Enough!!!!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:45 PM

22. Personally I'd like to see him put in the type of cage he's put children in. No soap, no water,

no blanket, cold hard floor. Mofu bastard. Oh, and neuter him.

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Response to fierywoman (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:55 PM

26. +1000000000000

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:54 PM

14. Those are the laws for the general public and Democrats

Please post the rules for Republicans.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:03 PM

16. ha ha. But truth in that unfortunately

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:26 PM

19. Republicans have no rules or laws

or morals.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:24 PM

18. Takeover of democracy is so blatant at this point. 45 serves Putin. All who oppose will be removed.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:27 PM

20. True. But all of that ends when we remove HIM. n/t

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:51 PM

23. LTC Vindman will be fine.

He is a serving officer with a fine reputation and impeccable credentials.

His utility in the WH was at end and surely has been cut out of the loop. He is far too useful to be languishing in the WH in a nothing job.

The Army will find him a better home.





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Response to TomSlick (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:53 PM

24. I suspect he'll be commanding an infantry battalion soon

where he'll excel.

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Response to dware (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:01 PM

27. A battalion command would certainly be good for his career.

Given his knowledge and experience, the Army's needs might be better served if he was given a policy position at the DA level.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:19 PM

28. I'm not so sure.

The Acting Sec Def is loyal to dotard...they could exile LTC Vindman to some remote post / position never to be heard from again.

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Response to GP6971 (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:05 PM

33. Perhaps. But that's not my bet.

I would expect the Army to make a reassignment decision without asking for input from DoD - and to resist any attempt at such input.

The Army JAG Corps has more lawyers than any law firm in the country. I am a retired Army JAG officer. The Army lawyers are going to be resistant to inviting a lawsuit from LTC Vindman. For what it's worth, LTC Vindman's twin brother - the other LTC Vindman - is an Army JAG officer. I would expect the JAG Corps to close ranks.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:28 PM

29. Such an incredible amount of offenses committed by the trump gangs

Hope the Dems have the opportunity to really clean things up - the opportunity is for the Dems not to mess up.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:48 PM

30. Just read the Face the Nation transcript

O'Brien is a weasel, but he did not fire or demote Vindman. He basically said that when Vindman's detail is up, he'd be going back to the Dept. of Defense.

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