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[triron]

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[jberryhill]

1. That, by the way, IS the whistleblower statue

Yep. Got that one bang on right, Triron.

[triron]

5. Read the statute.

[jberryhill]

7. There is a more specific and applicable one

Yes, firing Vindman is unlawful retaliation

5 USC 2302:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/2302

(b) Any employee who has authority to take, direct others to take, recommend, or approve any personnel action, shall not, with respect to such authority—

(8) take or fail to take, or threaten to take or fail to take, a personnel action with respect to any employee or applicant for employment because of—
(A) any disclosure of information by an employee or applicant which the employee or applicant reasonably believes evidences—
(i) any violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or
(ii) gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety,
if such disclosure is not specifically prohibited by law and if such information is not specifically required by Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or the conduct of foreign affairs; or

(B) any disclosure to the Special Counsel, or to the Inspector General of an agency or another employee designated by the head of the agency to receive such disclosures, of information which the employee or applicant reasonably believes evidences—
(i) any violation (other than a violation of this section) of any law, rule, or regulation, or
(ii) gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety;

[BumRushDaShow]

10. Unfortunately

The NSC is all appointees who serve at the pleasure of the President.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3021

From what I understand, I don't think he is being "fired" but is being dismissed from the NSC. They could do it as a reassignment to somewhere else.

I remember reading some interesting article about how people go about applying to be on the Council and then I expect after the principals go through all the applicants, they can choose who to have appointed for some "x" term.

[jberryhill]

11. Having a power, and exercising it for an unlawful end, are different things

You don’t get to run people over and say, “But I have a driver’s license that allows me to drive a car!”

[BumRushDaShow]

12. Well in Drumpf's Wacky World

we have seen this movie before. See James Comey & Andy McCabe (and many others).

[triron]

15. Perhaps. I just googled "retaliation against a witness" and came up with 1513.

I am not at all educated in law (math and physics)

[OhNo-Really]

25. Ethics rules more applicable I think

[triron]

31. ????? WTF ? Sounds judgemental to me.

[OhNo-Really]

32. 😳 no words just confused 🤷🏻‍♀️

What is judgmental?

[Skittles]

2. yeah, if someone was going to do anything about it

[dlk]

3. Given Barr's DOJ...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. 20 years is not long enough!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[democrank]

8. Recommended

[UTUSN]

9. Hmmm, that's one sweet fast track!1

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Did I miss it? Something happened to Vindman?

[fierywoman]

17. Could this be about Vindman losing his White House job because

Spanky McBoneSpurs didn't like his testimony?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. Ya...just read demoted and fired !!! Impeach yesterday.

He's gotten away with everything for almost 3 yrs. Enough!!!!

[fierywoman]

22. Personally I'd like to see him put in the type of cage he's put children in. No soap, no water,

no blanket, cold hard floor. Mofu bastard. Oh, and neuter him.

[triron]

26. [phone]

[bucolic_frolic]

14. Those are the laws for the general public and Democrats

Please post the rules for Republicans.

[triron]

16. ha ha. But truth in that unfortunately

[RainCaster]

19. Republicans have no rules or laws

or morals.

[Evolve Dammit]

18. Takeover of democracy is so blatant at this point. 45 serves Putin. All who oppose will be removed.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

20. True. But all of that ends when we remove HIM. n/t

[TomSlick]

23. LTC Vindman will be fine.

He is a serving officer with a fine reputation and impeccable credentials.

His utility in the WH was at end and surely has been cut out of the loop. He is far too useful to be languishing in the WH in a nothing job.

The Army will find him a better home.

[dware]

24. I suspect he'll be commanding an infantry battalion soon

where he'll excel.

[TomSlick]

27. A battalion command would certainly be good for his career.

Given his knowledge and experience, the Army's needs might be better served if he was given a policy position at the DA level.

[GP6971]

28. I'm not so sure.

The Acting Sec Def is loyal to dotard...they could exile LTC Vindman to some remote post / position never to be heard from again.

[TomSlick]

33. Perhaps. But that's not my bet.

I would expect the Army to make a reassignment decision without asking for input from DoD - and to resist any attempt at such input.

The Army JAG Corps has more lawyers than any law firm in the country. I am a retired Army JAG officer. The Army lawyers are going to be resistant to inviting a lawsuit from LTC Vindman. For what it's worth, LTC Vindman's twin brother - the other LTC Vindman - is an Army JAG officer. I would expect the JAG Corps to close ranks.

[empedocles]

29. Such an incredible amount of offenses committed by the trump gangs

Hope the Dems have the opportunity to really clean things up - the opportunity is for the Dems not to mess up.

[onenote]

30. Just read the Face the Nation transcript

O'Brien is a weasel, but he did not fire or demote Vindman. He basically said that when Vindman's detail is up, he'd be going back to the Dept. of Defense.