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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:13 PM

Question about the Electoral College...

I know that Bush younger was the last (before Trump) President to lose the popular vote, but "win" in the Electoral College.

Has there been any Democrats who lost the popular vote, but "won" the Electoral College?

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jberryhill Nov 10 #1
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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:20 PM

1. The question has problems

The Constitution provides that states shall determine their method of selecting electors. That hasnít always been by popular vote.


Since the mid-19th century when all electors have been popularly chosen, the Electoral College has elected the candidate who received the most popular votes nationwide, except in four elections: 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:49 PM

3. Andrew Jackson also won the most electoral votes in 1824.

But because he didnít win a majority of them, the election was decided in the House, which elected John Quincy Adams.

He also won the most popular votes ó although those represented less than 5% of the population.

So, technically, Jackson got screwed over the most: won the popular and electoral votes and still lost.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:43 PM

2. Focus on #1.

Cleveland was (D) and won in 1888 because (D) disenfranchised blacks that supported Harrison, some say. When you go back that far, meanings and associations change and it's a lie to say something true given the old meanings (that you know have changed) but false given the new meanings.

It's a standard rhetorical trope, where winning is more important than honesty or truth, where giving a very partial and one-sided view is considered far "because the other guy had a chance to speak." So if he does a bad job, it excuses the intellectual dishonesty and falseness of the other side. (Such are debating teams. And political campaigns. In those, winning makes right and makes power.)

That said, it's still a case of very small numbers, in which every instance is too different to allow easy generalizations.

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