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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:29 AM

Why are conservatives so obsessed with cowboys?

I don't get it. Bush was obsessed with cowboys, Reagan was obsessed with cowboys, Nixon was obsessed with cowboys, Trump supporters are obsessed with cowboys. Shit, Bush was so obsessed with cowboys that he lived on a fucking ranch and cleared brush like it was some bizarre lifestyle.

Everything I've ever read and seen about cowboys, cowboy culture and the wild west seems like that was no way to live. So what is the draw?

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Reply Why are conservatives so obsessed with cowboys? (Original post)
Initech Nov 10 OP
Skittles Nov 10 #1
TheBlackAdder Nov 10 #29
TexasBushwhacker Nov 10 #2
alwaysinasnit Nov 10 #10
struggle4progress Nov 10 #3
mahina Nov 10 #18
LuvNewcastle Nov 10 #34
rusty quoin Nov 10 #4
Garrett78 Nov 10 #5
TDale313 Nov 10 #6
Sherman A1 Nov 10 #19
JHB Nov 10 #7
RainCaster Nov 10 #8
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dalton99a Nov 10 #9
mahina Nov 10 #16
smirkymonkey Nov 10 #22
LuvNewcastle Nov 10 #35
Beartracks Nov 10 #11
rusty quoin Nov 10 #12
Dirty Socialist Nov 10 #13
Beartracks Nov 10 #14
Dave Starsky Nov 10 #38
mahina Nov 10 #15
safeinOhio Nov 10 #17
tblue37 Nov 10 #20
unc70 Nov 10 #21
ck4829 Nov 10 #23
jberryhill Nov 10 #24
KG Nov 10 #25
LuvNewcastle Nov 10 #37
Solomon Nov 10 #26
rampartc Nov 10 #27
empedocles Nov 10 #28
TexasProgresive Nov 10 #30
onethatcares Nov 10 #31
Mike Nelson Nov 10 #32
maxrandb Nov 10 #33
malaise Nov 10 #36

Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:35 AM

1. petty little men need their guns and cowboys to make themselves feel macho

they're PATHETIC

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:18 AM

29. They live for horseshit, cowshit and bullshit, but it's mostly chickenshit.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:38 AM

2. Because the cowboy life was when men were men

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:58 AM - Edit history (2)

and sheep were nervous.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:17 AM

10. Geez, nearly spit out my coffee after reading that last part.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:44 AM

3. I think it's just nostalgia for our lost yodeling lifestyle from bygone romantic days of yore!





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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:04 AM

18. Also

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:32 AM

34. When he was a kid, my dad met Jimmie Rodgers.

This was in the 1950's on the Mississippi coast. Jimmie Rodgers was from Meridian, Mississippi, I think. Rodgers was my dad's music teacher's cousin and the teacher got Jimmie to come to the music class and teach them a lesson on the guitar. My dad says he was a very nice man, although he seemed like he wasn't in good health. I don't know if Rodgers came down to visit family or if he was playing at one of the nightclubs in Biloxi. Anyway, I thought it was a cool memory to have about a legend.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:45 AM

4. People my age grew up on Westerns. I love them. But as a kid, it was never political.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:46 AM

5. In their adolescent minds, they're still playing "Cowboys and Indians."

White, heterosexual, cisgendered promoters of patriarchy vs. everyone else.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:49 AM

6. The Rugged Individualist image

I don’t need no stinking government or society... just leave me to my own devices and don’t fence me in. It’s a romantic image. Most of them would last about two seconds without the infrastructure the system they rail so hard against created, but they love the myth.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:04 AM

19. Precisely

They love the image, not the reality.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:51 AM

7. Because the FOX News prime demographic grew up in the heyday of TV/Movie westerns

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:03 AM

8. They want to be the Marlboro Man

I like how that ended.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:05 AM

9. .

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:01 AM

16. Barf

Gak

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Response to mahina (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:33 AM

22. Heh, heh!

My reaction exactly!

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:37 AM

35. He looks so ridiculous.

A New York city slicker putting on a cowboy hat. And his base eats that shit up. Looks like he's going back to his family's roots in the pimping business.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:33 AM

11. Cowboys of classic western genre were rugged individualists, and...

... lived in a world of little moral ambiguity (e.g. good guys with guns were ALWAYS good guys). But this is the cowboy of the western GENRE of books and movies (especially classic, "old west" story-telling), not necessarily actual, historical cowboys.

So, the macho, rugged, go-it-alone, hero archetype is appealing to a lot of people, and I would guess conservatives have a greater affinity for that mythic combination of qualities, especially the "rugged individual" aspect (read: we don't need government!) and the "good guy with gun" aspect (for obvious reasons).

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:57 AM

12. A good movie would explain such. It's Eastwood's Unforgiven where the bad guy, Richard Harris,

is locked up by another bad guy, Gene Hackman, while two other bad guys, Eastwood and Freeman try to avenge a prostitute for money.

At the same time there’s the dime novel guy trying to benefit from it all.

There are many novels and movies. But I think until the Italian dramas was the cowboy was the good one, or at least there was one hero.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:00 AM

13. I met a real cowboy in Colorado

He said real cowboys are DEMOCRATS. RANCH OWNERS are Republicans.

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Response to Dirty Socialist (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:13 AM

14. +1

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Response to Dirty Socialist (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:54 AM

38. My wife has honest-to-God working Texas cowboys in her family.

And they ***GASP*** read a lot of books and are Democrats.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:00 AM

15. Oh come on now. Who doesn't love cowboys.

One at a time of course
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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:03 AM

17. He's a drug store truck driving man, he's the head of the Ku Klux Klan....

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:10 AM

20. Movie cowboys are seen by some guys as macho men, manly men. nt

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:26 AM

21. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence

Print the myth

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:45 AM

23. They believe in the media-created image of the cowboy, they are committed to that image

The old western movies - White men on the frontier, the tip of the spear for manifest destiny itself, who carried a gun with them at all times and were supposed to be some lawman/vigilante hybrid who kept law and order in the frontier

Reality - Cowboys came in all colors, checked their guns when they went into town, and were laborers who drove cattle

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:10 AM

24. Assless chaps


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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:27 AM

25. manly

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Response to KG (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:46 AM

37. I think of Brokeback Mountain when I think of cowboys.

Beautiful movie. And Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger were the most awesome cowboys I've ever seen.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:40 AM

26. What gets me is that a cowboy was a coward if he shot an unarmed man.

A despised criminal if he shot a man in the back. It was a strict code.

Today police shoot unarmed people in the back and get paid vacations for it.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:55 AM

27. the "code of the west"

is simple. break it, you end up on boot hill.

one version, as told to young ron howard by john wayne …………...

"I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

the code in any form is simple. here is eastwood enlightening eli Wallach ….……

"there are 2 kinds of people in the world, tuco, those who have loaded revolvers, and those who dig. you dig."

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:17 AM

28. Remember in the '50's, there was 'country-western' music.

Cowboy gear was common, Hank Williams, even Winchester Patsy Cline, et al. 'cons often like the '50's.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:20 AM

30. They are hoodwinked by the false myth created by Hollywood.

Cowboys are not and never were not gunslingers or individualists. They had to work together as a team to manage the herd. You get a sort of sense of reality in the old TV series "Raw Hide." For the most part there is a lot of gun play portrayed. Many of the towns in the west had gun check laws.

There were a few "rugged individualists" mountain men and trappers, but those guys didn't build this country. It was built by people coming together to get things done, from raising a barn to butchering a hog.

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:06 AM

31. it's a frustration thing.

have you ever tried to get a horse down your moms' basement stairs?

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:12 AM

32. Thinking about Westerns and Cowboys...

... guns, guns, guns... women were pretty maids to be had, or sexy saloon hostesses to have you. White ruled. Gays were invisible. No social security programs. And, more guns!

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:23 AM

33. Crotchless leather chaps??

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Response to Initech (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:40 AM

36. I think their movie association with slaughtering indigenous people

and John Wayne as this larger than live hero explain a lot of it

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