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kpete

(71,964 posts)
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:23 PM Nov 2019

John Bolton went around Mick Mulvaney -- and released aid to Ukraine before resigning

From Bloomberg News:

Congressional appropriators were frustrated when their inquiry on Aug. 29 about the status of the State Department funds was greeted by silence. Days passed and on Sept. 9, when they asked again, the State Department’s Legislative Affairs office told them there was no hold on the $141 million, according to a person familiar with the matter.

What they didn’t know, according to one of the people, was that shortly before Sept. 9, Bolton had relayed a message to the State Department that the funding could go ahead. It’s not clear whether Bolton, who resigned from the job a week later, did so with Trump’s approval.

Bolton’s handling of the funding struck officials in the White House as violating protocol and caught Mulvaney by surprise, according to another person familiar with the matter.

That may explain a cryptic letter that Bolton’s lawyer sent to Congress on Friday saying the former national security adviser has “new details” about the Ukraine matter that they don’t know about, without elaborating. Bolton has declined to testify against White House orders unless a judge rules he should and didn’t respond to multiple emails seeking comment.

MORE:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-09/state-department-freed-ukraine-money-before-trump-says-he-did?srnd=premium


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John Bolton went around Mick Mulvaney -- and released aid to Ukraine before resigning (Original Post) kpete Nov 2019 OP
If Bolton did this - that's awesome and explains why the White House hated him when he resigned Pachamama Nov 2019 #1
I really hope that Bolton's patriotism comes through. He is a really fucked up patriot, but he is Blue_true Nov 2019 #7
OK that is REALLY going too far in praise Skittles Nov 2019 #16
He is a warmongering POS, but he has always done it under the guise that it is in the country's Blue_true Nov 2019 #17
he is not ANY kind of patriot Skittles Nov 2019 #18
+1 OnDoutside Nov 2019 #21
True...but I'm concerned at the idea that he can just decide, of his own volition, Volaris Nov 2019 #25
Wow, to make John Bolton look like a knight in shining armor klook Nov 2019 #2
All we're saying is he might have done the right thing once--Let's not break out the armor yet :p NCLefty Nov 2019 #6
Heh, true dat. (nt) klook Nov 2019 #10
👍🏼 uponit7771 Nov 2019 #22
Wow! a lot of things make more sense now. The_jackalope Nov 2019 #3
Yes. But thought I read that trump released it when Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #9
That's the narrative I understood too. This changes things completely OnDoutside Nov 2019 #19
I guess trump can just say he told Bolton to Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #23
That could be the case, unless Bolton has email evidence where he was told not to ! OnDoutside Nov 2019 #24
Actually went back and re-read . Trump said he released Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #28
Thanks, that definitely gives weight to it. OnDoutside Nov 2019 #30
This is why he effed off... Thomas Hurt Nov 2019 #4
This could be a big deal. It means Bolton knows a LOT!!! And he won't be a nice witness. nt Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #5
Wow, this is huge. May not be more liability for dingbat Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #8
Hell has frozen over, I like something Bolton might have done Pepsidog Nov 2019 #11
Who on earth would have thought James48 Nov 2019 #12
He's still using the delaying tactic Taraman Nov 2019 #13
Bolton is a neocon and a bloodthirsty hawk, but he's not rwnj conspiracy theorist scarletwoman Nov 2019 #14
That said, didn't he go on an NRA speaking trip to Russia ? OnDoutside Nov 2019 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Nov 2019 #15
Total asshole get the red out Nov 2019 #26
Bolton is a NeoCon Toady Baked Potato Nov 2019 #27
I HATE when Bolton does the right thing. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2019 #29

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
1. If Bolton did this - that's awesome and explains why the White House hated him when he resigned
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:25 PM
Nov 2019

And he has a whole lot to tell about Trump and Mulvaney

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
7. I really hope that Bolton's patriotism comes through. He is a really fucked up patriot, but he is
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 10:25 PM
Nov 2019

one none the less. The best thing he could do for the country right now is bury the Orange Asshole.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. He is a warmongering POS, but he has always done it under the guise that it is in the country's
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:23 AM
Nov 2019

interests. That is one reason that I called him a really fucked up patriot. A sane patriot would realize that war often isn't in our best interests (there are rare exceptions).

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
18. he is not ANY kind of patriot
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:27 AM
Nov 2019

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:18 PM - Edit history (1)

he's a self-serving, warmongering rightwing asshole



Volaris

(10,266 posts)
25. True...but I'm concerned at the idea that he can just decide, of his own volition,
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:49 AM
Nov 2019

To just go ahead n do.. well, whatever the hell he wants, and fuck the person in charge.

If theres no functional chain of command, that's REAL BAD.

What if Bolton had decided some other 'action' were warranted, on some other 'issue'?

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
6. All we're saying is he might have done the right thing once--Let's not break out the armor yet :p
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 10:21 PM
Nov 2019

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
3. Wow! a lot of things make more sense now.
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:39 PM
Nov 2019

I was wondering how the aid got released. There's been a bit of a fog around that, which now seems to have cleared.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
9. Yes. But thought I read that trump released it when
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 10:37 PM
Nov 2019

He got wind of a whistleblower being out there. Which would be hard to prove or circumstantial anyway.

The irony is that they are using the fact that Ukraine eventually got their money without soiling the Bidens as a basic tenet in their defense. So does that mean Bolton inadvertently help MF45?

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
19. That's the narrative I understood too. This changes things completely
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 04:51 AM
Nov 2019

if true. It explains why the quick Bolton departure came about. It piles the pressure on Mulvanney too, which is nice.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. I guess trump can just say he told Bolton to
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:29 AM
Nov 2019

release the aid $$. Not sure if he (trump) is already on record as releasing the aid through some other way. All interesting as hell but might be hard to lay it all out in an understandable way.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
28. Actually went back and re-read . Trump said he released
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:21 AM
Nov 2019

Funds on Sept 11th. But, they had already been released (approved for release) before Sept 9th. So whoever ordered (Bolton or not) it definitely happened before trump said it did and trump lied.

Bolton was asking for release in August. And Congress was asking before too.

It basically sounds like a lot of people knew the $ was being withheld and it was a showdown over what entity had authority.

Taraman

(373 posts)
13. He's still using the delaying tactic
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:53 PM
Nov 2019

by joining the suit against the lawful subpoenas of the House oversight. He's saying, I'd love to talk, but you know... I wouldn't want to get in trouble. Sheesh. Some patriot.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
14. Bolton is a neocon and a bloodthirsty hawk, but he's not rwnj conspiracy theorist
Sat Nov 9, 2019, 11:59 PM
Nov 2019

like Trump and Trump's inner circle.

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