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Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:18 PM

Charles P. Pierce: The Anonymous White House Book-Writer Can Anonymously Bite Me

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Anonymous can bite me. I have no intention of shelling out a dime to read about how someone almost ran into the burning house to save the baby, or about how someone almost gave up their seat in the lifeboat when the great ship went down, or about how someone almost dove into a freezing river to save a busload of nuns, or, for that matter, about how someone almost decided not to be a part of the most monstrous executive administration since the (un)death of Vlad The Impaler. I am not interested in someone's heartfelt account of their near-collision with actual integrity. I decline to be fascinated by the tale of how someone nearly ran into courage on the street but had to catch a bus instead. Like I said, Anonymous can anonymously bite me.


https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a29740312/anonymous-white-house-book/

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Generic Other Nov 8 OP
mcar Nov 8 #1
cwydro Nov 8 #2
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 8 #30
cwydro Nov 8 #39
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 8 #40
cwydro Nov 8 #42
Eliot Rosewater Nov 8 #3
Whiskeytide Nov 8 #23
Eliot Rosewater Nov 8 #27
colorado_ufo Nov 8 #35
Garrett78 Nov 8 #4
Chin music Nov 8 #5
StarfishSaver Nov 8 #6
gab13by13 Nov 8 #12
BuffaloJackalope Nov 8 #17
calimary Nov 8 #77
mahina Nov 9 #78
dchill Nov 9 #85
StarfishSaver Nov 8 #19
Pacifist Patriot Nov 8 #22
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 8 #32
StarfishSaver Nov 8 #37
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 8 #43
StarfishSaver Nov 8 #44
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 8 #55
whathehell Nov 8 #63
ramen Nov 9 #84
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Zoonart Nov 8 #59
soldierant Nov 8 #69
whathehell Nov 8 #70
soldierant Nov 8 #73
StarfishSaver Nov 8 #75
gibraltar72 Nov 8 #7
Raster Nov 8 #10
whathehell Nov 8 #64
ffr Nov 8 #8
geralmar Nov 8 #9
Hortensis Nov 8 #11
whathehell Nov 8 #66
N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 8 #13
Perseus Nov 8 #47
Blue_true Nov 8 #52
N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 8 #61
negromiconomics Nov 9 #89
NCjack Nov 8 #14
The Mouth Nov 8 #15
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StarfishSaver Nov 8 #24
whathehell Nov 8 #58
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whathehell Nov 8 #68
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StarfishSaver Nov 10 #91
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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:19 PM

1. Kick

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:19 PM

2. Boom!

I won’t buy that book either.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:30 PM

30. Jeez..I pre-ordered the first minute it was announced

Grrr. Trying to avoid listening to excerpts. I hear ya...but I just figure big picture will it hurt trump? And answer yes.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:00 PM

39. Remember all the other books that were going to hurt him?

Lol, I do.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:09 PM

40. Read them all. I swear cwydro


It's like a speeding train and nothing will stop it. Until it gets to the end and there's a giant crash. Of course, you know me, broken record...we will never know what would have happened if we had acted sooner. Interesting that they were all talking 25th amendment when he fired Comey...was probably time to strike then. They probably were all holding their breath...and then "phew...not even a simple Censure...carry on!"

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:12 PM

42. Yeah, totally with you on that.

But Ive given up on books, especially those by “anonymous.”

I hear ya through. I do. This whole thing is so exhausting.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:22 PM

3. And me...bite me too...By being there in the FIRST PLACE you stated you wanted to promote

RUMP'S agenda!

The only agenda anyone knew he had when YOU joined was he wanted to HARM immigrants and say Barack Obama wasnt born here, etc.

so FUCK YOU and the 3 legged dead horse you rode in on

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:05 PM

23. No need to bring the horse into it. He's suffered ...

... enough carrying the substantial Pierce in, not to mention being three legged and dead.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:15 PM

27. ...



you're right

when you're right you're right

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 04:15 PM

35. Yes! THAT was all right with you, Anonymous!

The excerpts that Rachel read on her show last night just sounded like a tossup between gossip and whining.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:30 PM

4. It's the incompetence in carrying out horrible policies that bugs the likes of anonymous.

Anonymous and the like are only upset that Trump makes it so hard to bring about their vision.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:44 PM

6. THIS

I am so not interested in people who pretend to be heroes by whispering "truth" from their safe hiding place while other people get their butts kicked in public.

No.

Until you're ready to reveal yourself OR avail yourself of whistleblower protection, please go away.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:17 PM

12. What's whistleblower protection?

It's easy to sit back and knock someone. It's a pretty darn hard decision, IMO, to open yourself up to death threats and constant harassment. The Ukraine whistleblower didn't get very much protection. For me, I will accept what he or she has done and respect the decision to remain anonymous. Put yourself in his/her shoes, crawl into his/her skin before criticizing. Just my opinion.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:30 PM

17. Anonymous is not a whistleblower.

If they've done nothing to stop Trump's crimes, they're an accessory. At best.

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 11:20 PM

77. Welcome to DU, BuffaloJackalope!

Gotta say, I'm rather intrigued to read the book. But I hesitate for a different reason.

I learned during Watergate - "don't buy books by crooks." All the jailed Watergaters were either finding Jesus in prison or assuaging their guilty consciences writing books - also while in prison, many of them hitting the lecture circuit, and/or booked as speakers at book clubs across America upon their release. Which, of course, would include some additional time spent in hiding while they got themselves physically restyled or otherwise sufficiently rehabilitated in the public mind, before venturing back out to make the rounds of the talk shows. Besides, by the time most of 'em were released from prison, enough time had gone by that most people either forgot or no longer cared.

But I'm held back by the recognition that buying the book would put money in some republi-CON's pockets, and I'm pretty much loathe to do that.

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:11 AM

78. Welcome to DU !

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Response to BuffaloJackalope (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

85. Yep. Welcome to DU.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:59 PM

19. Whistleblower protection is more than just shielding their identity.

And I've been in similar shoes in a high-level government position when I had to make some difficult choices when I saw things I found troubling. Not as drastic as this, but enough to understand the precarious choice this person is facing. And, based on that experience - as well as personal knowledge about even more painful choices people I know had to make - I have little patience for people who choose the easiest course: rather than deal with the consequences of leaving and speaking out, they stay, continuing to reap all of the benefits that come with the position, but "speak out" from their positions of comfort and anonymity - while trying to wrap themselves in a cloak of righteousness because they anonymously complain about what's happening around them.

And while I know it's not easy to open themselves up to death threats and other harassment, there are plenty of people who are doing just that AND it's likely that Anonymous has been complicit in creating and perpetuating the toxic environment they're now supposedly hiding from.

Sorry. I'm not impressed

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:04 PM

22. I'm not either.

I agree with you.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:34 PM

32. You aren't allowed to have a different opinion gab!

Sarcasm

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 04:17 PM

37. They're allowed to have a different opinion. But if they think they're immune from being disagreed

with, they are in the wrong place.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:13 PM

43. It doesn't look like disagreement to me...more closely resembles

sanctimony, know-it-all-ness, and disruption of free flow of ideas!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:42 PM

44. It probably does look that way to you. n/t

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 06:25 PM

55. And to people who have been here forever.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:55 PM

63. I agree.. Pierce and some others here are being too judgemental..

It's great to insist on self-disclosure, but doing so would result in loss of access, thus defeating the person's stated purpose.

I doubt the person is "trying to be a hero" since you can't claim that staus minus an identity.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #63)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 10:42 AM

84. +1 nt

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Response to whathehell (Reply #63)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 01:03 PM

88. I agree

I certainly need to know more before I pass judgment on this person. On one hand, it would seem he/she should have come forward openly much sooner, but on the other hand, the person is a witness to most of what has happened in the White House. That could be of great value in the upcoming months.

If Anonymous had spoken out publicly early in the administration and revealed who they were, they may have just been ridiculed and fired by Trump. It probably would have been part of a brief news cycle, with a handful of interviews and possibly a book deal. Then as with so much in this administration, he/she along with the shocking revelations would be forgotten. It is hard to sustain the shock value of anything the man does or says, as he just keeps coming up with new and outrageous stunts.

We'll see. Anonymous could be Trump's Deep Throat or could just be an opportunist. As I said, I need to know more before I can judge.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:19 PM

59. Exactly.

Patriots don't hide in the shadows. They step into the light.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:22 PM

69. And I presume you feel the same

about Mark Felt?

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Response to soldierant (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:36 PM

70. Good point..

I thought the same.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:46 PM

73. 99% of the time, maybe more, I' am right there with the OP.

Right now I am not judging anyone who is doing something, even if I suspect it's too little. We need every little bit we can get. This is more dangerous than Nixon/Watergate, and Nixon/Watergate was more dangerous than most people realize.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:51 PM

75. No, I don't feel the same. Because Mark Felt was entirely different

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He wasn't a Nixon political appointee who believed in the things he was doing but thought the fact that he seemed to be mentally ill was compromising his ability to carry out his agenda. He didn't write a book as "Anonymous." He was a career official who saw the president and his henchmen engaging in specific illegal acts and, knowing that the law enforcement agency he worked for was being compromised, made himself known to two investigative journalists (three, if you count Ben Bradlee) who were digging into the scandal and he helped and guided them in uncovering the truth by providing them very specific leads and information. Watergate would never have been exposed had it not been for Felt.

Now, if it turns out that Anonymous has been working closely with Robert Mueller or the House committees or the US Attorney or with any journalists who are actually exposing specific acts of wrongdoing - not just feeding juicy information like "Trump yells and screams in meetings and we all think he's crazy but won't say it out loud"- I may change my mind. But right now, I'm not impressed.

Mark Felt and Anonymous are nothing alike.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:46 PM

7. Still enabling. Anonymously.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:03 PM

10. Which, quite frankly, is worse than if they were upfront about it.

"I am almost a patriot..."

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Response to Raster (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:00 PM

64. Being "upfront about it" would cause him or ger to lose access..

which would completely defeat their stated purpose.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:55 PM

8. Anonymous is not an American patriot.

Whomever they are, they are a profiteer off our nation's collective suffering.

That is not what patriots do.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:09 PM

11. Same. Decided I wouldn't be buying this book while

listening to the attempts to rationalize enabling what no person of good character would.

Like his posturing that Charlottesville was a break point when he, and so many others in "the resistance," really wanted to resign but nobly hung in?

Not, extremely revealingly, the ongoing, incredibly evil policy of dreadful cruelty aimed at mostly brown children, many far too small even to realize their parents still exist, somewhere.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:15 PM

66. That's nice,

but sanctimony aside, I'm guessing sales will be brisk.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:17 PM

13. Book should be titled...

“Profiles in Cowardice”.



EOM

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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:49 PM

47. The match is not over, we should wait and see where this leads

Not sure why so much hate for the anonymous person, he/she is telling a story from the inside, things that many of us already knew or could guess was happening, but now it is recorded for the World to see.

When this nightmare is over he/she may come out and give more details, name names, we will find out who was fully complicit, who helped derail the mad man's actions.

I don't understand the negative reaction to this book, I applaud it, it does take guts to do what this person has done.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #47)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 06:04 PM

52. The person is a physical and moral coward.

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Our nation and likely the world is at grave risk. The author saw the danger daily, yet can't step forward and let Americans know what he witnessed and put a face to that story. You better bet that if the co-author is Rence Priebus, John Kelly, or another former high official that dealt with Trump several times per day, every day, that putting his face behind this account would most likely end the Trump presidency and go a long way toward righting the country.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #52)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:33 PM

61. +1

Thx.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 04:53 PM

89. I dont like the "c" word being used until SOMEBODY gets escorted out of the Oval Office

Those of us who are Democrats are admittedly tired of people, officials, and politicians who take our votes and then turn around and reach across the aisle, do the pragmatic thing and not the right thing, and make nice no matter what the other side does. But BECAUSE that is what Democrats DO!!! we can't expect to see people walking the plank when all they see before the blindfold goes on are Democrats waiting expectantly for a miracle to occur that will make good things happen. Elections have consequences... 1980, 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000, 2004, 2010, 2014!!! That's a lot of time when this party had access to power and was unable to convince it's coalition to get out of bed and fill out some dots on a ballot! The Republicans don't have this problem. So if you are going to attempt to remove their hold on power you'd better be CLOSE and you'd better not MISS! I don't care how craven this person may seem to be. It could be Banning, Pence, Kelly Ann.. could be JAVANKA! If they've got the goods and they drop it and Schiff drives the silver stake in then that's good! I don't need to see some silver haired guy admit it's him and then do the rounds on MSNBC with Rachel shaking his hand and saying "well done, sir" before he disappears into Guantanamo!!!

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:21 PM

14. Yep. I agree. I can only give money to DEM candidates,

write letters to politicians and newspapers, and help get out the vote. While Anonymous and friends are in the White House, with first hand knowledge of Trump's crimes, mistakes, and incompetence. It is Anonymous et. al who should have acted. Today, they should call the House and offer to tell all.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:21 PM

15. I never have, nor never will

give the slightest bit of credence, or a penny, to anyone who chooses to remain anonymous. I don't care the issue or the ideology.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:21 PM

16. There are a lot of brave posters here

sitting safely at home or wherever. This whistleblower may have a family that he/she doesn't want to be constantly threatened.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:05 PM

24. They aren't a "whistleblower."

They are a Trump political appointee who believes in his agenda but is troubled by some of his behavior and, instead of actually doing something that will result in it being addressed, they have worked with others to try to manage it and, when that failed, whisper about it to the public.

They may not want their family threatened, but chose to continue working for, enabling, associating with and benefiting from their public alignment with the person/people who created the environment that could lead to their family being threatened.

There's nothing brave about that. It's just plain opportunism.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:09 PM

58. What would you like them to 'actually' do"?...If they reveal themselves


they lose access and become unable to run the kind of interference tbe person claims to be doing...They may or may not be telling the truth, but his/her behavior is consistent with his stated objectives.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:15 PM

67. For one thing

people could actually assess their credibility and determine whether their claims actually have merit. It might also help people - especially investigators and journalists - gather additional evidence to prove Trump's unfitness.

It makes a difference whether this person is a John Kelley or a Kellyanne Conway, on the one hand, or a special assistant to the President (which, despite its lofty-sounding name, is a fairly junior position in the White House) or a deputy assistant secretary in a cabinet agency, on the other.

But this anonymous shish is for the birds. We have no way of knowing if they're actually "running interference" or just laying low, collecting a paycheck, enjoying their "access," schmoozing it up at the Trump Hotel, lining up their next job (if they haven't already moved on), and are just playing us all for fools.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #67)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:21 PM

68. His stated objective is to IMPEDE Trump's worse actions

He can't DO this without access.to him.. What part of this isn't being understood?

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Response to whathehell (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:40 PM

71. His other stated purpose was to promote Trump's agenda

when running for president.

Right up front, brazenly, as if it was a virtue to promote such things as persecuting millions who weren't born in the U.S., repealing the ACA and lying that it'd be replaced with a program with much better coverages and much cheaper (completely impossible), destroying many government agencies such as the EPA and VA, and the massive tax-heist transfer of national wealth to a few and tax burden to the many millions being lied to.

AND, of course, what those in his position already knew or very strongly suspected, that Trump was conspiring with Russia against the U.S.

We are our actions, not our declarations of moral purpose or greater understanding than others.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:48 PM

74. Yeah, he's flawed..

That said, I'm afraid you really can't know what he "already knew or strongly suspected" about his ties with Russia.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #74)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:52 PM

76. We all did. A great many highly questionable actions

had already occurred, remember? And a great deal of evidence already gathered not just by the FBI and intelligence services, but by investigative journalists.

But this person is an insider working at a level that allows him to be able to see, or surmise, and able to connect many more dots.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #76)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:01 PM

92. "We all did"? .Yes, but this person was not part of our "we"

This person was/ is a Republican and they don't always "see" what we do, or at least in the same light..

The fact that he or she is now "an insider, working at a level that allows him to be able to see, or surmise, and to connect many more dots"

Yes..That's exactly why many think he could be a good source.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #92)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:13 PM

93. Confirming Kavanaugh, institutionalizing RW election theft, etc.

Hey, some other things are probably popping to mind about now. Go ahead and add them to the list of Republican crimes this person joined the Trump administration to make happen.

And while you're at it, remember his statement that Trump would have self-destructed very early on without those around him working desperately to keep him in the WH.

Nothing that came after would have happened without people like him. Like the many children who will never see their parents again, including the children who ran away in a strange, foreign country and weren't looked for, even if we get full control. All of them were kidnapped after this person joined and became a two-faced resister against Trump AND against good people trying to stop them.

Yes, there's one face we need but that's because of the other, very bad face. Two-Face is looking ahead to life after Trump and trying to escape the consequences that will destroy the reputations and careers of most others forever.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #93)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:58 PM

98. Again, Republicans frequently see things differently than we do..

That doesn't necessarily mean they're iredeemablly "wicked", at least in my view. You're certainly free to your own opinions, but I don't share them, and feel further discussion on the matter to be fruitless. Having said that, I'll just say 'adieu'.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #98)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 07:39 AM

99. :) Well, Whatthehell, you introduced the word sanctimonious.

You know, we have a bunch of conservative friends here in Georgia, and in other states, and in my view you're blowing off as "seeing things differently" what should never be excused. At least in this conversation.

Over two decades ago now what I didn't understand about how conservatives around me thought made me start reading about personality, and particularly political personality. Understanding differences in thinking and moral orientations in no way requires excusing what is harmful and wrong. I do my best to always keep our neighbors' good sides in mind, and they usually make that extremely easy. I actually love and admire some old friends we never discuss politics with. I know that under good, moral leadership, they and a lot of others, not all by any means, would strongly disapprove, and even be horrified, at the very idea of much the politicians they will vote to keep in power are doing.

But not being in denial on this subject, I don't fool myself that many people can be very good and likable, moral beings, in their personal lives and yet be capable of supporting leaders who promise, and do, great harm to others (and would inevitably to them as well).

"The banality of evil" is in the air these days. It really could happen here, and a lot of people believe what's happening on the right, visible in an increasingly fascistic Republican Party, is likely to get much, much worse if we don't manage to stop it. Resistance can't be in denial and doesn't normalize.

See ya round.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:45 PM

72. They say that's their stated objective

But we don't know since we have no idea who "they" are or whether "they" are still working for him.

If it turns out that "Anonymous" is Kellyanne Conway, John Kelley or Kirstjen Nielsen, would you still be so quick to defend them?

It's hard enough to take the word of anyone in Trump's orbit - it's really hard to take their word when we don't even know who they are.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #72)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:41 PM

90. Yes, and I see no reason to automatically disbelieve him or her..

Most testifying in the Impeachment hearings will also be part of "Trump's orbit"...If, for the same reason, they are deemed not credible their testimony AGAINST Trump won't be believed either and he'll stay in office.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #90)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:45 PM

91. I don't disbelieve them

I just said I'm not impressed.

And I don't consider most of the people testifying to be in Trump's "orbit." They're not his political appointees but are career employees who predated him, don't "serve at his pleasure," and aren't part of his cabal.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #91)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:35 PM

94. Lol...Your post strongly implies otherwise..

starting with your subject line "They SAY that's their objective"

Skepticism and disbelief run throughout your post after that.. There's no mention of being "impressed", one way or another.

Sorry, Starfish, but you can't move the goalposts in the midddle of the game. Adios. .

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Response to whathehell (Reply #94)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:40 PM

95. Read my posts

I didn't say I don't believe what they allege in the book. I just don't necessarily believe that their objectives are as pure as they claim.

And if you read my other posts, you will see that I did indeed previously say "I'm not impressed." In fact, I said it twice before.

Not contradictory and not complicated. And the goalposts are still right where they were when the discussion began.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #95)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:33 PM

96. I read your posts .

and have honestly lost interest in this subject .You don't like/trust Anonymous? Fine. You're entitled to your view and I'm entitled to mi e.
entitled to mine. .End of story. Buh bye.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:13 PM

25. Real whistleblowers don't write books for a paycheck.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:46 PM

46. The person is donating all the money to charities.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:55 PM

48. They can prove that how?

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 04:57 PM

38. this person is acting like this is a fucking game

IT ISN'T

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:54 PM

18. I think Anonymous is setting themselves up for a big pay day when Trump is impeached/voted out/other

Speaking fees, another book, etc.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:59 PM

20. Anonymous already stated

that he/she will donate most of the proceeds of the book to charity.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:14 PM

26. and how will we ever know?

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 06:06 PM

53. Good point. nt

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:15 PM

28. THIS book, not the next book. Or movie rights, etc ...

My prediction, for what its worth.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:56 PM

49. My life as Anonymous by insert real name here

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #49)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 06:49 PM

56. Exactly!

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:41 AM

82. Just like the Trump Foundation. Oh wait.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:01 PM

21. Don't worry. Time will reveal the blower. It's simple protection.

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Response to Firestorm49 (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:57 PM

50. Ask reporter Joe Klein how a publishing a book anonymously works out

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:21 PM

29. Anonymous is only upset because [they] can't do their usual Repukelican skull fucking

Not interested.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:32 PM

31. It's all been said previously...

But I'll just add my name to the list. It must require a human characteristic of cowardice to be part of that Administration.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:46 PM

33. I will use the library

That is what I did with Donna Brazile's book.

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Response to Dorn (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:23 AM

100. Good idea

Never did understand why Donna Brazile moved so high up in the DNC when every campaign she's managed has been a loser.

She's like the kiss of death for every candidate stupid enough to let her within sniffing distance of a campaign.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:51 PM

34. My bet is George Conway with Kellyanne's help

The perfect cover. On the inside but not on the inside.

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Response to Joe Nation (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 04:16 PM

36. Backward.

It's Kellyanne's book, with George's help.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:12 PM

41. This

A few reasons.

First, having George write it gives Kellyanne plausible deniability. And, George has already written a long opinion article arguing Trump's unfitness for office. Why would he need to be anonymous? So he has plausible deniability, too.

Second, how many original Trump staffers are still around and have that kind of access?

Third, the exerpt that talks about Trump calling accomplished women "honey" and "sweetie". This is something a woman would notice moreso than men who probably do this and never think a thing about it.

Fourth, the part of the intro Maddow read last night that talks about agreeing with many of the policies. The Conways both are solid conservatives and would be in the camp that want the policies implemented, but in a sane Bush, Reagan way.

Last, the part where Trump likes some graphic and calls for Dan! (Schivino) to get it tweeted out. If Schivino, one of the other few advisers who's been with Trump since Day 1, were the author, he wouldn't be describing the incident that particular way.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:43 PM

45. Well Pierce, byte yourself too

We, at least, have someone from the inside who has been able to record this moment in history.

Some people simply want to be part of history, maybe they are not crazy about the person who now occupies the oval office, but it represents a moment in the history of the country, and they want to be part of it. Granted, this person may not have vetted the creature appropriately, but that doesn't take away the important work he/she is doing now by recording history, by laying out with very simple anecdotes the incompetence, the madness of the con for the whole World to see.

Will this book change minds? I hope so, lets all hope so. If this book manages to change the minds of 10 to 15% of his supporters, then job well done.

I can only hope that when this madness is done, that this anonymous person comes out and can tell the stories in full detail naming names, that his/her recount of history can serve the country to make sure this situation does not happen again. So byte yourself Pierce, maybe it will help you to see there is good in this. Just think about an administration packed with "yes-people" and no one to tell the story, with the madman in full reign, just think about that.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 05:58 PM

51. My sentiments, exactly!

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 06:20 PM

54. I usually agree with Pierce, but not here. This book is important and should be read.

Granted it's very disappointing that these folks refuse to come out and speak out against Shitler publicly, but at least they're talking. It's better than total silence. At least we know what's going on.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:05 PM

57. I just think it shows cowardice.

Omarosa demonstrated more bravery and integrity.

Look at the brave people testifying now because it is the right thing.

I don’t think there is a good excuse for this Mr. or Ms. Anonymous.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:19 PM

60. Anonymous is excusing

......his own monstrousness. Almost like he feels an ounce of guilt over what he's enabled. So now he can be a guilty monster. Which is worse morally than being an ignorant monster.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:05 PM

65. "monstrousness"?

That's a little over the top, isn't it?

He can hardly be charged with single-handedly "enabling" Trump.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 07:45 PM

62. I think the more info that gets out on #Traitor's unfitness for office, the better

I wish this weren't anonymous. Not sure what's true but the more stuff added to the public domain on how disastrous #Traitor is in real life is a net positive.

We don't know what will be the straw that breaks the camel's back for any person. Frankly if this book breaks off a few more cult followers that's good enough for me

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:32 AM

79. From the end of the article, pure comedy gold!

The last sentence:

"And, anyway, I still think it’s Tiffany."

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:42 AM

80. Down the road a little ways there are going to be a large

number of people writing about or verbalizing on the teevee how hard they were working behind the scenes silently to protect our Republic...in advance I call BULLSHIT.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:42 AM

81. While I agree in principle, this is an existential battle for democracy. All bets are off.

Whatever will make people sick(er) of the mobbed-up gang of misfits who are destroying this country for their own personal gain.

If that means whoever-is “Anonymous” will get under 45’s skin, then use it, and with vigor.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 10:26 AM

83. I agree with Pierce, but...

I paid my 18 bucks and I'll read it for the entertainment value.

Back in the day, I "wallowed in Watergate." Until I can vote next November, wallowing in the details of this nightmare presidency is about all I can do to make myself feel better.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 10:47 AM

86. I am surprised by the vitriol pileon about this here.

What difference would it make if there were a name on the front cover of this book? What information contained therein if the author stated their identity? How would their self-unmasking affect the nightmare of this administration, and how would they be in a better position to try to reduce the damage these clowns are doing from the white house if they weren't working there?

I don't understand the callings-out. I recognize that this is a popular position but I think shooting this messenger and calling out their alleged cowardice is misguided tree-barking.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 12:10 PM

87. I assume Trump will ferret out and fire someone

Then we will know.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:46 PM

97. Writing a book

is not like appearing in person in front of a Committee under oath.

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Response to Generic Other (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 11:30 AM

101. Agreed

I didn't put much stock in this book and the author because I've seen enough Trump staffers churn out shameless cash grabs that overpromise and under-deliver (Omarosa); and I'm fucking sick of the "OH WHAT GOES ON INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD TURN YOUR HAIR GRAY! IT'S SO SHOCKING, SURREAL, UNPRECEDENTED AND I'M TRULY CONCERNED FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY!! GRANTED I WASN'T CONCERNED ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY *DO* OR *SAY* SOMETHING AT THE TIME, BUT STILL...."

It's not enough to just write a tell-all in 2019, because we ALL know what goes on in the White House these days (not like anybody there is good at keeping secrets)... What I want is people willing to testify under oath.

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