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Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:43 PM

Nicolle Wallace's greatest nightmare now (as described today)

She said that she fears Trump will be impeached and then run and win 2020 as a private citizen.

IS THAT POSSIBLE??

Is there no caveat against impeached presidents running for the office again?

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Reply Nicolle Wallace's greatest nightmare now (as described today) (Original post)
Grasswire2 Oct 31 OP
maxsolomon Oct 31 #1
roamer65 Oct 31 #2
Dem4Life1102 Oct 31 #5
roamer65 Oct 31 #7
Dem4Life1102 Oct 31 #11
roamer65 Oct 31 #19
Dem4Life1102 Oct 31 #21
NewJeffCT Oct 31 #3
at140 Oct 31 #8
dsc Oct 31 #14
GulfCoast66 Oct 31 #20
brush Oct 31 #4
NCLefty Oct 31 #6
at140 Oct 31 #10
Dennis Donovan Oct 31 #9
0rganism Oct 31 #12
Grasswire2 Oct 31 #13
Vinca Oct 31 #15
Grasswire2 Oct 31 #17
hlthe2b Oct 31 #16
catbyte Oct 31 #18

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:44 PM

1. then Impeach his ass again.

Nicole's seeing ghosts.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:45 PM

2. No he will split the Repukes right down the middle.

It would be like 1992.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:50 PM

5. How is that like 1992?

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:52 PM

7. Clinton - Bush - Perot.

Perot split the Repuke vote and Clinton was elected on a plurality of 42 pct.

Similar to the Wilson-Taft-Roosevelt election of 1912.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:56 PM

11. That is a long discredited GOP talking point

Exit polls in 92 showed that Perot drew voters from both Clinton and Bush.
https://www.pollingreport.com/hibbitts1202.htm

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:24 PM

19. Fact is if a Dump runs as an independent, we will end up with a Dem on a plurality.

There are 20-25 pct nutbags who will vote for him no matter what.

A report from 1992 election doesn’t change that fact.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:30 PM

21. Not the point

The point is that Perot didn’t split the Republican vote in 92 and elect Clinton. The is a GOP talking point to delegitimize Clinton’s election.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:48 PM

3. If he is convicted

He can never hold any federal office again. No pardons allowed.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:52 PM

8. Convicted by repuke senators? Unlikely but remotely possible.

Because to convict and remove from office requires 2/3 odf senate = 67 senators.
We have 47. So need 20 repukes to flip. I can count 5, may be 6, but 20 is a high bar.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:06 PM

14. actually that isn't true

he could be convicted then there would be a 2nd vote banning him from federal office. Hastings was impeached from a judgeship but then elected to the House.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:28 PM

20. Not quite. There would need to be another vote.

Now, he is not going to be convicted. But pretending he was I am sure the next vote would ban him from office.

If the republicans were to turn on him they would make sure to also defang him as well. Otherwise he would split their party.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:49 PM

4. Not to worry. A candidate with an (I) in front of his name will lose millions of votes.

That (I) standing for "impeached".

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:51 PM

6. I heard that with just 4 GOP senators, we can ban anyone from running for office.

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Response to NCLefty (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:54 PM

10. Is that from the US Constitution or

A law passed by congress and signed by some president?

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:54 PM

9. Unfortunately, yes, but disqualification from future elected office is an option...

...that can be exercised by the Senate:

https://qz.com/1720279/could-trump-be-impeached-convicted-and-then-re-elected/

<snip>
The Founders were careful about defining and regulating this dangerous power. They gave the House of Representatives “the sole Power of Impeachment,” and specified that the Senate “shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments,” with a two-thirds majority required for conviction. They specifically prevented the president’s pardon power from reversing impeachments.

They also limited the possible punishments that the Senate may impose to “removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.” But they only required that an impeached and convicted official “be removed from office”—and did not mandate that the person also be disqualified from holding a future office.

Nowhere does the Constitution define the standards for disqualification. Moreover, the Senate has declined to establish a standard.

But, as Ohio State University law professor William Foley points out, Senate procedures require separate votes to convict someone of an impeachable offense and to impose a disqualification penalty.

So even if Trump were impeached and convicted, there is the possibility that he could be reelected to the same office from which he had been removed.

</snip>

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:57 PM

12. he'd have a few things to work out with SDNY prosecutors first

handling a criminal case would cut into his campaigning time even if he isn't in jail

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:03 PM

13. what a mess that would be nt

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:11 PM

15. That's got me totally terrified.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:13 PM

17. He doesn't have the votes to win now, and likely less in that eventuality.

Of course there's always Russia.....

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:12 PM

16. IF and only if he is BOTH convicted (thus removed) AND the SENATE takes the extra step to ban

him from ever holding office then that would be that. But, conviction on impeachment articles that result in his removal from office AND the passage of an act that would disallow his holding office again are TWO SEPARATE Senate acts and it is not a given that the second will follow the first.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:19 PM

18. It's theoretically possible if the Senate doesn't hold a separate vote to ban that thing

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