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Thu Oct 31, 2019, 04:55 PM

I fully expect this to bring out the "slings and arrows", but the way I see it, especially sfter

reading their comments, if Petersen and Van Drew were to defect to the GOP whose talking points they glibly spew, today's vote would have been a 32 vote win instead of a 36 vote win.

This was the most important vote that either of them has yet cast and they just could not bring themselves to be Democrats.

With "friends" like these---

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 04:59 PM

1. Fragile districts?

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:43 PM

7. Fuck that.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:01 PM

2. There's a hell of a lot of bullying going on in

our haloed halls of government. Iím sure it is all done with the greatest integrity and in bi-partisan brotherhood among Americaís finest.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:01 PM

3. Pelosi is probably fine with the way they voted.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:02 PM

4. Sometimes in votes like this, good Democrats might vote against only if

they know the resolution/bill is going to pass (or fail) anyway, if it helps them in their district. Iím OK with that. But, I donít really know anything about these two.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:12 PM

5. Did they have the option to abstain?

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:15 PM

6. changing parties would not change their vote

it would still be a 36 vote win.

it is easy to say that these guys could change parties and good riddance, but i'm sure they are supportive on less controversial issues.

i'm voting for governor next week, and the choice is clear. john bel Edwards will probably outlaw abortion, but at least he expanded Medicaid and passed a reasonable budget without cutting health care and education.

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Response to rampartc (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:46 PM

8. I agree their changing parties would not change their votes, but at least we would not

be listening to Kevin McCarthy brag about the "bipartisan vote" against impeachment. And, I am not comforted by their votes "with" us on bills naming post offices and honoring hero first responders. Like I said, this was their most important vote to date and they were not just MIA; they defected.

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Response to Atticus (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:41 PM

11. Their comments really bothered me.

I was sympathetic to the fragile district argument until the two of them opened their mouths afterward. Yech.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:52 PM

9. You're right but the math is a little off. It would be a 34-vote victory instead of a 32-vote one.

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Response to brush (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:00 PM

10. Subtract 2 from the Democratic total and add 2 to the GOP's. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:45 PM

12. Maybe we're both wrong. They already voted repug so wouldn't it stay the same?

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Response to brush (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:51 PM

13. Right now, their votes count as two DEMOCRATIC "no" votes. If they switched, they'd be

REPUBLICAN "no" votes.

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