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Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:15 AM

Police blew up an innocent man's house in search of an armed shoplifter. Too bad, court rules.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/30/police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-search-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules/?wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1



When they were finished, it looked as though the Greenwood Village, Colo., police had blasted rockets through the house.

Projectiles were still lodged in the walls. Glass and wooden paneling crumbled on the ground below the gaping holes, and inside, the family’s belongings and furniture appeared thrashed in a heap of insulation and drywall. Leo Lech, who rented the home to his son, thought it looked like al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden’s compound after the raid that killed him.

But now it was just a neighborhood crime scene, the suburban home where an armed Walmart shoplifting suspect randomly barricaded himself after fleeing the store on a June afternoon in 2015. For 19 hours, the suspect holed up in a bathroom as a SWAT team fired gas munition and 40-millimeter rounds through the windows, drove an armored vehicle through the doors, tossed flash-bang grenades inside and used explosives to blow out the walls.

The suspect was captured alive, but the home was utterly destroyed, eventually condemned by the City of Greenwood Village.

That left Leo Lech’s son, John Lech — who lived there with his girlfriend and her 9-year-old son — without a home. The city refused to compensate the Lech family for their losses but offered $5,000 in temporary rental assistance and for the insurance deductible.


This doesn't seem right.

Looks like there are opportunities for reforms for cases such as this.

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Reply Police blew up an innocent man's house in search of an armed shoplifter. Too bad, court rules. (Original post)
IronLionZion Oct 31 OP
BigMin28 Oct 31 #1
IronLionZion Oct 31 #2
Bettie Oct 31 #7
kcr Oct 31 #9
IronLionZion Oct 31 #11
Kid Berwyn Oct 31 #3
Beringia Oct 31 #4
jberryhill Oct 31 #5
NutmegYankee Oct 31 #10
Wounded Bear Oct 31 #6
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 31 #8
Vinca Oct 31 #12
LiberalFighter Oct 31 #13
Demovictory9 Oct 31 #14
IronLionZion Oct 31 #15
Demovictory9 Oct 31 #16

Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:17 AM

1. Just how much

Could one shoplift at Walmart to justify such a response?
Seriously.

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Response to BigMin28 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:21 AM

2. The gun justified it

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I don't believe it was necessarily wrong to blow up the house after getting the 9 year old kid out, but the city should pay for damaged to their loss of house.

This is what justifies Middle East war-style weapons and tactics:

The suspect, Robert Jonathan Seacat, had stolen a shirt and a couple of belts from a Walmart in neighboring Aurora, Colo., and then fled in a Lexus


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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:34 AM

7. Well...he got a shirt

and more than one belt! OMG!

FFS....really?

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:07 PM

9. Stealing a shirt from Walmart and fleeing in a car

justifies war-style rockets?

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Response to kcr (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:19 PM

11. Have you seen Walmart shirts and belts?



I'm a bit concerned as to why local police would even have rockets. It seems like if they have military surplus weapons, they look for reasons to use them.

Back in the day, such operations would require involvement of state and federal law enforcement.

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Response to BigMin28 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:22 AM

3. The Walton fortune increases $100 million per DAY

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-walton-family-gets-100-million-richer-every-single-day-2019-08-12

This is why rich people don’t give their money away: They wouldn’t stay rich.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:23 AM

5. "and for the insurance deductible"


To be clear, the property was insured. This lawsuit, like many lawsuits, is actually a battle between two insurance companies over which one is going to pay for it.

The police department and the homeowner are merely actors on a stage directed by the insurance companies.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:12 PM

10. Insurance did not cover the home contents.

The man is massively in debt. I find this case just fucking evil.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:30 AM

6. Unfortunately, it was necessary to destroy the village in order to liberate it...

Iconic Vietnam War radio call.

Might be apocryphal, but it is believable.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:36 AM

8. FTP.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:23 PM

12. Time to get an attorney and go for the big bucks.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:52 PM

13. Figuratively need to blow up Greenwood Village and Walmart.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:00 PM

14. in Los Angeles in the 80s, cops would batter down homes to get a drug suspect. public fought back

They stopped that crap.

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:31 PM

15. Did local lawmakers pass a law for that?

That's often what it takes. Courts and executive leaders generally side with police.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:34 PM

16. I don't think so. I think LAPD just backed off. They had a battering ram hooked to a small tank

like device. Rather than having a human kick in the door, they would drive this battering ram into the house and sometimes damage
the frame of the house. damaging the house of the parent of a suspect.


I think public outcry made them rethink their tactics. I could be wrong though.

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