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Mon Oct 28, 2019, 09:53 PM

NSC Ukraine expert Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman - Opening statement (for testimony tomorrow)

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/5197-read-vindman-s-opening-stateme/451770f94b62c504f723/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Alternate source - https://static.politico.com/69/13/cdffb8a4420a8a4d8a65439570f2/vindman-statement-final.pdf

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Reply NSC Ukraine expert Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman - Opening statement (for testimony tomorrow) (Original post)
BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 OP
Jarqui Oct 2019 #1
JohnnyLib2 Oct 2019 #2
TomSlick Oct 2019 #7
uponit7771 Oct 2019 #3
TomSlick Oct 2019 #9
uponit7771 Oct 2019 #16
BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #4
Arazi Oct 2019 #5
BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #6
Arazi Oct 2019 #8
BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #10
Arazi Oct 2019 #12
BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #13
MFGsunny Oct 2019 #11
Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #14
BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #15
uponit7771 Oct 2019 #17
BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #18
crickets Oct 2019 #19
Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #20

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:08 PM

1. Another evidence nail in the coffin of Trump's days in the oval office. nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:09 PM

2. Brave soul.

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Response to JohnnyLib2 (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:26 PM

7. I agree but the LTC is primarily an honorable officer and patriot.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:15 PM

3. Credible First hand testimony regarding call and he talked to Sondland directly. No second hand crap

.. out of this guy (as if first hand is needed after Trumps admissions and summary) so MAGAts can't diffuse this guys testimony.

I wonder who LT Col's CO was ?!

Be hard to call this guy a traitor by the right but they'll do such anyway

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:29 PM

9. He reported to Dr. Fiona Hill.

LTC Vindman. Officers are detailed to such positions and often report to civilian officials.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:05 PM

16. +1

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:17 PM

4. Lawrence has been discussing on his show as well

They mentioned ~6 who have come forward so far to do their duty to uphold that oath of office. And yes, if you are a federal employee (as I was), they do swear you in on your first day on the job (and have you sign a form with the oath)!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:18 PM

5. Sondland committed perjury

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Response to Arazi (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:20 PM

6. But he'll claim

(and I think I heard the excuse over the weekend) that he was only passing on the President's message about the "no quid pro quo".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:27 PM

8. Nope. He said he didn't "recall" anyone mentioning the Bidens, Burisma or the 2016 election

That's the weasel "out" he's gone with but he's now contradicted by multiple others and maintaining that lie will become exceedingly difficult as more come forward and directly state that he knew.

Not only knew but he actively participated in the Ukrainian extortion scheme.

He came back today with his attorney to "review" his deposition. I'd bet they were provided a copy of the Lt Colonels opening statement so they hightailed it in.

Im guessing Sondland will suddenly "remember" these conversations or he's in a shitload of legal trouble

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Response to Arazi (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:39 PM

10. Lawrence O'Donnell has had some guests on as well as Eric Swalwell on now

discussing this and Swalwell said that Sondland can't change his testimony - he can only clear up anything that might have been indicated as "unintelligible" by the stenographers or fix any statements that were unclear.

This is where I got the thing about what he would supposedly claim when he finally testified (a bunch of sources also reported it) -

Trump’s envoy to testify that ‘no quid pro quo’ came from Trump

By Aaron C. Davis and John Hudson
Oct. 12, 2019 at 9:50 p.m. EDT

The U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, intends to tell Congress this week that the content of a text message he wrote denying a quid pro quo with Ukraine was relayed to him directly by President Trump in a phone call, according to a person familiar with his testimony.

Sondland plans to tell lawmakers he has no knowledge of whether the president was telling him the truth at that moment. “It’s only true that the president said it, not that it was the truth,” said the person familiar with Sondland’s planned testimony, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomatic matters.

The Sept. 9 exchange between Sondland and the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine has become central to the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into whether the president abused his office in pressuring Ukraine to open an investigation into his political rival Joe Biden and his son, who sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. The White House and its defenders have held up Sondland’s text, which included “no quid pro quo’s of any kind,” as proof that none was ever considered.

The person familiar with Sondland’s testimony said the ambassador “believed Trump at the time and on that basis passed along assurances” that Trump was not withholding military aid for political purposes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-envoy-who-denied-quid-pro-quo-now-says-he-isnt-certain/2019/10/12/4abe0902-bc19-44e8-8c38-9aa35c544859_story.html


Of course we know that's bullshit - notably because he bought his ambassadorship, but... we'll see.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:46 PM

12. Oh he's definitely scrambling tonight...

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Response to Arazi (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:51 PM

13. Yeah all the guests are throwing around the "perjury" word for him now



That's why he had that crap out there when he testified to attempt to throw Drumpf under the bus... but he, Ghouliani, and others were doing the shake-downs.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:42 PM

11. And, indeed, it's a NATIONAL SECURITY issue as many of us here on DU have noted!

May truth will out. We deserve no less. Full stop.

THAT would be a first in this maladministration.

Deepest gratitude and KUDOS to the patriotic souls who have come forward and chosen America's national security interests, first and foremost.


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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 10:54 PM

14. Okay, Lt Col Vindman mentions this "John Eisenberg" WH lawyer, as have others

Last edited Wed Oct 30, 2019, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)

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Colleagues describe Eisenberg as a taciturn presence who is reluctant to share details of his family or personal life. His daily work is so hush-hush that he spends more than half his day inside a secure office suite with multiple locks on the outside door. Entering the suite, known as a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, or SCIF, requires a classified individual code, and no personal electronics are allowed inside.

As one of the longest-serving senior White House officials, and as the National Security Council’s top legal adviser, Eisenberg has been privy to many of the Trump administration’s most sensitive secrets. That makes the 52-year-old lawyer a compelling character in the drama set off by Democrats’ impeachment drive — and, for the president, potentially a dangerous one.

As lawyers often do, Eisenberg took notes in meetings with Trump, a standard practice that “drove the president absolutely bonkers,” according to one former White House official. “His sense was people were taking notes because they were going to write a book or testify against him,” the former official said.

It was Eisenberg to whom several alarmed White House officials turned when Trump urged Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter. It was Eisenberg who then helped order the record of that call into a system used for ultra-secret classified information. And it was Eisenberg who, several reports said, consulted with political appointees at the Justice Department on how to handle a whistleblower’s complaint about the Ukraine call...

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/16/lawyer-ukraine-impeachment-trump-048755

John Eisenberg



Time for a chat with this guy - he knows some STUFF

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:01 PM

15. Yeah every time someone testifies

another new name or two pops up!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:07 PM

17. +1, Trump is a walking diarrhea hose and he shits on everything !!!

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:20 PM

18. Yup and then he turns on a fan and spreads it around even more.

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:46 PM

19. The dominoes really are starting to line up nicely. nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:45 PM

20. FULL text


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Opening Statement of Lieutenant Colonel Alexander S. Vindman

Before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the House
Committee on Foreign Affairs, and the House Committee on Oversight and
Reform

October 29, 2019

Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member, thank you for the opportunity to address the
Committees concerning the activities relating to Ukraine and my role in the events
under investigation.

Background

I have dedicated my entire professional life to the United States of America. For
more than two decades, it has been my honor to serve as an officer in the United
States Army. As an infantry officer, I served multiple overseas tours, including
South Korea and Germany, and a deployment to Iraq for combat operations. In
Iraq, I was wounded in an IED attack and awarded a Purple Heart.

Since 2008, I have been a Foreign Area Officer specializing in Eurasia. In this role, I
have served in the United States’ embassies in Kiev, Ukraine and Moscow, Russia.
In Washington, D.C., I was a politico-military affairs officer for Russia for the
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs where I authored the principle strategy for managing
competition with Russia. In July 2018, I was asked to serve at the National Security
Council.

The privilege of serving my country is not only rooted in my military service, but
also in my personal history. I sit here, as a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States
Army, an immigrant. My family fled the Soviet Union when I was three and a half
years old. Upon arriving in New York City in 1979, my father worked multiple jobs
to support us, all the while learning English at night. He stressed to us the
importance of fully integrating into our adopted country. For many years, life was
quite difficult. In spite of our challenging beginnings, my family worked to build its
own American dream. I have a deep appreciation for American values and ideals
and the power of freedom. I am a patriot, and it is my sacred duty and honor to
advance and defend OUR country, irrespective of party or politics.

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For over twenty years as an active duty United States military officer and diplomat,
I have served this country in a nonpartisan manner, and have done so with the
utmost respect and professionalism for both Republican and Democratic
administrations.

Introduction

Before recounting my recollection of various events under investigation, I want to
clarify a few issues. I am appearing today voluntarily pursuant to a subpoena and
will answer all questions to the best of my recollection.

I want the Committees to know I am not the whistleblower who brought this issue
to the CIA and the Committees’ attention. I do not know who the whistleblower is
and I would not feel comfortable to speculate as to the identity of the
whistleblower.

Also, as I will detail herein, I did convey certain concerns internally to National
Security officials in accordance with my decades of experience and training, sense
of duty, and obligation to operate within the chain of command. As an active duty
military officer, the command structure is extremely important to me. On many
occasions I have been told I should express my views and share my concerns with
my chain of command and proper authorities. I believe that any good military
officer should and would do the same, thus providing his or her best advice to
leadership.

Furthermore, in performing my coordination role as a Director on the National
Security Council, I provided readouts of relevant meetings and communications to
a very small group of properly cleared national security counterparts with a
relevant need-to-know.

My Service on the National Security Council

When I joined the White House’s National Security Council (“NSC”), I reported to
Dr. Fiona Hill, who in turn reported to John Bolton, the National Security Advisor.
My role at the NSC includes developing, coordinating, and executing plans and
policies to manage the full range of diplomatic, informational, military, and

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economic national security issues for the countries in my portfolio, which include
Ukraine.

In my position, I coordinate with a superb cohort of inter-agency partners.
regularly prepare internal memoranda, talking points, and other materials for the
National Security Advisor and senior staff.

Most of my interactions relate to national security issues and are therefore
especially sensitive. I would urge the Committees to carefully balance the need fo
information against the impact that disclosure would have on our foreign policy
and national security.

I have never had direct contact or communications with the President.

The Geopolitical Importance of Ukraine

Since 2008, Russia has manifested an overtly aggressive foreign policy, leveraging
military power and employing hybrid warfare to achieve its objectives of regional
hegemony and global influence. Absent a deterrent to dissuade Russia from such
aggression, there is an increased risk of further confrontations with the West. In
this situation, a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to U.S. national security
interests because Ukraine is a frontline state and a bulwark against Russian
aggression.

In spite of being under assault from Russia for more than five years, Ukraine has
taken major steps towards integrating with the West. The U.S. government policy
community's view is that the election of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the
promise of reforms to eliminate corruption will lock in Ukraine's Western-leaning
trajectory, and allow Ukraine to realize its dream of a vibrant democracy and
economic prosperity.

Given this perspective and my commitment to advancing our government's
strategic interests, I will now recount several events that occurred.

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Relevant Events

When I joined the NSC in July 2018, I began implementing the administration's
policy on Ukraine. In the Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers
promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the
interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. government policy. While my
interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine's
prospects, this alternative narrative undermined U.S. government efforts to
expand cooperation with Ukraine.

April 21, 2019: President Trump Calls Ukraine President Zelenskyy

On April 21, 2019, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was elected President of Ukraine in a
landslide victory. President Zelenskyy was seen as a unifying figure within the
country. He was the first candidate to win a majority in every region of the country,
breaking the claims that Ukraine would be subject to a perpetual divide between
the Ukrainian- and Russian-speaking populations. President Zelenskyy ran on a
platform of unity, reform, and anti-corruption, which resonated with the entire
country.

In support of U.S. policy objectives to support Ukrainian sovereignty, President
Trump called President Zelenskyy on April 21, 2019. I was one of several staff and
officers who listened to the call. The call was positive, and President Trump
expressed his desire to work with President Zelenskyy and extended an invitation
to visit the White House.

May 21, 2019: Inauguration Delegation Goes to Ukraine

On May 21, 2019, I was directed by Ambassador Bolton and Dr. Hill to join the
delegation attending President Zelenkskyy's inauguration. When the delegation
returned, they provided a debriefing to President Trump and explained their
positive assessment of President Zelenskyy and his team. I did not participate in
the debriefing.

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Oleksandr Danylyuk Visit ­ July 10, 2019

On July 10, 2019, Oleksandr Danylyuk, the Secretary of the National Security and
Defense Council for Ukraine, visited Washington, D.C. for a meeting with National
Security Advisor Bolton. Ambassadors Volker and Sondland also attended, along
with Energy Secretary Rick Perry.

The meeting proceeded well until the Ukrainians broached the subject of a meeting
between the two presidents. The Ukrainians saw this meeting as critically
important in order to solidify the support of their most important international
partner. Amb. Sondland started to speak about Ukraine delivering specific
investigations in order to secure the meeting with the President, at which time
Ambassador Bolton cut the meeting short.

Following this meeting, there was a scheduled debriefing during which Amb.
Sondland emphasized the importance that Ukraine deliver the investigations into
the 2016 election, the Bidens, and Burisma. I stated to Amb. Sondland that his
statements were inappropriate, that the request to investigate Biden and his son
had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not
something the NSC was going to get involved in or push. Dr. Hill then entered the
room and asserted to Amb. Sondland that his statements were inappropriate.

Following the debriefing meeting, I reported my concerns to the NSC's lead
counsel. Dr. Hill also reported the incident to the NSC's lead counsel.

Election Call ­ July 25, 2019

On July 21, 2019, President Zelenskyy's party won Parliamentary elections in a
landslide victory. The NSC proposed that President Trump call President Zelenskyy
to congratulate him.

On July 25, 2019, the call occurred. I listened in on the call in the Situation Room
with colleagues from the NSC and the office of the Vice President. As the transcript
is in the public record, we are all aware of what was said.

I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign
government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for

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the U.S. government's support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an
investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a
partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan
support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security.
Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC's lead counsel.

Conclusion

The United States and Ukraine are and must remain strategic partners, working
together to realize the shared vision of a stable, prosperous, and democratic
Ukraine that is integrated into the Euro-Atlantic community. Our partnership is
rooted in the idea that free citizens should be able to exercise their democratic
rights, choose their own destiny, and live in peace.

It has been a great honor to serve the American people and a privilege to work in
the White House and on the National Security Council. I hope to continue to serve
and advance America's national security interests.

Thank you again for your consideration, and now I would be happy to answer your
questions.

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