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We can't both brag about being morally and ethically superior to Republicans but then complain when (Original Post) StarfishSaver Oct 2019 OP
That simple malaise Oct 2019 #1
That's the problem with having a diverse grouping of people el_bryanto Oct 2019 #2
+1! mcar Oct 2019 #3
I agree, but we have to do something to alter the dominant narrative. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #4
True StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #5
Right. Then the narrative is about hypocrisy or, as I said, false equivalency. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #7
We don't need to hold ourselves to a higher standard first of all...it only helps GOP types... Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #6
So, which Democratic president are you referring to? gratuitous Oct 2019 #8
I didn't say anything about a Democratic president. And I wasn't talking about chants StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #9
Donald Trump is a racist pig ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #10
Maybe run on policies, not moral superiority n/t leftstreet Oct 2019 #11
I'm not sure what this OP is about. maxsolomon Oct 2019 #12
That's not what it's about StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #18
Oh, then it's about Katie Hill maxsolomon Oct 2019 #26
We can't afford to be candy-ass Democrats, anymore. Paladin Oct 2019 #13
yes, it's a perversion of Sun Tzu thought. Grasswire2 Oct 2019 #15
"Candy-ass?" WTF? MineralMan Oct 2019 #17
Kind of makes my point, doesn't it? StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #19
However, if we do follow ethical rules, there is no issue MineralMan Oct 2019 #24
Maybe Dems don't need a lecture on how to behave. Grasswire2 Oct 2019 #14
He's lucky the fans didn't come with eggs or tomatoes. nt Grasswire2 Oct 2019 #16
My OP wasn't about fans booing Trump StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #21
+1 mountain grammy Oct 2019 #22
Sure we can. mountain grammy Oct 2019 #20
Well, of course, you can StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #23
You worry about you 🙄 mountain grammy Oct 2019 #25

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. That's the problem with having a diverse grouping of people
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 09:59 AM
Oct 2019

Some are going to feel that we should use the same seemingly effective techniques of our enemies, while others feel like we should take moral high ground by not using the same tactics. I prefer the high ground, but I don't know if it's actually more effective. For one thing, it's pretty easy to see that our political enemies will describe us as monsters whatever we do.

Bryant
http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
4. I agree, but we have to do something to alter the dominant narrative.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:03 AM
Oct 2019

Because when anything like Hill's scandal happens, the narrative that gets pushed is "it goes to show that both parties have scandals." Democrats have to push back hard and relentlessly against the false equivalency bullshit and establish a talking point along the lines of, "Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually have standards."

It requires persistent repetition to gain control of a narrative. That's the one thing Republicans do really, really well.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
5. True
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:07 AM
Oct 2019

But it doesn't help the narrative when our first reaction is "Republicans do it all the time so why are WE being held accountable?!"

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
7. Right. Then the narrative is about hypocrisy or, as I said, false equivalency.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:14 AM
Oct 2019

Instead, the dominant narrative should be about how the Democratic Party is honorable and the GOP is ethically bankrupt.

This is an area in which the Democratic Party has room for improvement.

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
6. We don't need to hold ourselves to a higher standard first of all...it only helps GOP types...
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:07 AM
Oct 2019

Had we done so in Virginia...the GOP would have control of the state. You can't be so so so pure when the other side is not...take it on a case by case basis.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. So, which Democratic president are you referring to?
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:19 AM
Oct 2019

We've certainly seen the clips of Trump beaming at the podium when his supporters break into their chant. There are numerous instances. Do you have one instance of a Democratic president doing anything remotely similar?

Does the difference between the president leading a chant and a spontaneous chant at a sporting event really need to be spelled out? If so, please tell me ahead of time how many syllables is too many so nobody's brain is over-taxed.

maxsolomon

(33,246 posts)
12. I'm not sure what this OP is about.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:36 AM
Oct 2019

But if it's about booing President Sociopath the 1st time he's stepped in front of a crowd that's not composed of hand-picked deplorable fools, then I disagree.

Jeering unpopular leaders has a history that goes back millenia.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
18. That's not what it's about
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:56 AM
Oct 2019

There's nothing moral or immoral or ethical or unethical about private citizens spontaneously booing a politician.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
13. We can't afford to be candy-ass Democrats, anymore.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:39 AM
Oct 2019

This goody-two-shoes act by Democrats---while republicans are pillaging this country and enjoying it---is so over with.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
15. yes, it's a perversion of Sun Tzu thought.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:42 AM
Oct 2019

And people like Karl Rove have used it to bludgeon the left into submission.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
17. "Candy-ass?" WTF?
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:45 AM
Oct 2019

That's really an ancient insult that dates back to my days in the early 1960s. There's nothing "candy-ass" about being ethical and holding strong values.

It's not "candy-ass" to be working on impeaching a President, either.

If I remember correctly, "candy-ass" was a way of saying about someone that he wasn't a "real man," somehow. It was something the high school football player might say to a guy who played in the band. It's a marginal homophobic insult, really.

Here's one of the definitions of it from Urban Dictionary:


Candy Ass
a male who is meek and timid, shows female personality traits. basically a male who wouldn't survive outside the security of his mother's arms reach. Also look at pansy, sissy, fruit, wimp


Who do you consider to be a "candy-ass" Democrat, I wonder?
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. Kind of makes my point, doesn't it?
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:58 AM
Oct 2019

If we either behave according to the standards set by Republicans or we're "candy-asses," we need to stop trying to claim any moral or ethical superiority over them.

Ethics are easy to uphold when it doesn't matter. And if, when it matters, we claim we don't need to uphold them because Republicans don't, we can forget claiming any ethical or moral superiority.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
24. However, if we do follow ethical rules, there is no issue
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:02 PM
Oct 2019

at all. If following good ethics is "candy-ass," then that should be taken as a compliment, it seems to me.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
14. Maybe Dems don't need a lecture on how to behave.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 11:40 AM
Oct 2019

We people will do what we do when facing a tyrant. This is America.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
23. Well, of course, you can
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 12:01 PM
Oct 2019

But don't expect anyone to take you seriously the next time you criticize a Republican for being an unethical, immoral hypocrite.

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