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Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:33 PM

The "Trump would never allow himself to be impeached, he'd resign first" meme is still churning.

Rick Wilson re-tweeted someone making that statement yesterday.

I don't believe it for a minute.

In all of the possible scenarios...including a vote in the House that goes on to a "potential" removal from office via a Senate trial...I just don't see it.

Maybe if high, and highly probable odds for his removal were communicated to him, a la Nixon. Even then, I'm doubtful.

The stain is already on his "legacy," and it gets worse as each day passes.

I don't see him resigning, unless he's offered a sweetheart deal that would spare him from harm and "reward" him with more personal gain than he'd have if he continued to walk the bitter last mile.

His ego would allow no less.

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Reply The "Trump would never allow himself to be impeached, he'd resign first" meme is still churning. (Original post)
Miles Archer Oct 20 OP
dalton99a Oct 20 #1
Haggis for Breakfast Oct 20 #2
CaliforniaPeggy Oct 20 #3
Takket Oct 20 #5
djg21 Oct 23 #47
exboyfil Oct 20 #13
Eliot Rosewater Oct 20 #4
FrodosNewPet Oct 23 #46
Flaleftist Oct 20 #6
TwilightZone Oct 20 #7
Baitball Blogger Oct 20 #8
Wellstone ruled Oct 20 #9
Kablooie Oct 20 #10
world wide wally Oct 21 #18
leftieNanner Oct 21 #26
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 21 #28
NewJeffCT Oct 21 #33
TreasonousBastard Oct 20 #11
lame54 Oct 20 #12
BunnyMcGee Oct 20 #14
CaliforniaPeggy Oct 20 #15
maddiemom Oct 21 #22
Firestorm49 Oct 21 #16
Mazeltov Cocktail Oct 21 #17
maddiemom Oct 21 #23
MineralMan Oct 21 #19
Dave Starsky Oct 21 #25
Aussie105 Oct 21 #42
KY_EnviroGuy Oct 22 #44
Texin Oct 22 #45
Cosmocat Oct 21 #20
Tommy_Carcetti Oct 21 #21
Dave Starsky Oct 21 #24
Mike 03 Oct 21 #27
unblock Oct 21 #29
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 21 #30
ProudMNDemocrat Oct 21 #31
INdemo Oct 21 #32
leftyladyfrommo Oct 21 #34
Aussie105 Oct 21 #43
hvn_nbr_2 Oct 21 #35
maxsolomon Oct 21 #36
Wounded Bear Oct 21 #37
warmfeet Oct 21 #38
NastyRiffraff Oct 21 #39
Turbineguy Oct 21 #40
PatrickforO Oct 21 #41

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:41 PM

1. He and his spawn will keep milking his office for all it's worth

and he will deploy every means at his disposal as president to win reelection.

If he is forced out, he will refuse to leave without a golden parachute.

It will be a nasty public spectacle.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:42 PM

2. Remember WHO it was from the Senate that went to Nixon

to tell him that he had NO support in the Senate any longer. It was Barry Goldwater. Mitch McConnell is NO Barry Goldwater.

I doubt that he will resign. He lacks the self-awareness necessary to see that that is his only recourse. He will NOT be getting any "sweetheart deal" from this Congress.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:43 PM

3. I tend to agree.

I'm sure he's also very aware that the Southern District of NY will pounce on him immediately afte he's no longer president.

Once that happens, he will not be protected by being in the presidency.

And then they will have him.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:51 PM

5. correct............

SDNY and Robert Mueller will be arguing over who gets to indict him first.......... he is literally fighting for his freedom and the presidency is the only thing shielding him.

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Response to Takket (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:14 AM

47. He only is guaranteed a pardon if he is removed or resigns . . .

and Pence becomes president. It all depends on how bad things get for him. If he is facing removal for real (it has to get really bad for him before the Senate Repubs would remove him) or if it looks like a certainty that he will lose the election (harder for him to swallow, and far from certain at this point), he very well may resign before his first term ends so Pence can pardon him.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 07:59 PM

13. He will be clutching Pence's pardon in his sweaty hand

Either if he resigns (which is 100% unlikely), loses this election (resign before the President comes in), or resigns sometime after the next election (that is unless his VP wins election). I am not exactly sure if his VP wins the next election. In that case the executive freeze out will continue.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:50 PM

4. Oh hell no, not not as long as Moscow Mitch, the VILE FITLY FUCKER is in the Senate

to protect his KGB ass.

McConnell has made it next to impossible for anybody to live here who isnt a white, straight, protestant male.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:38 AM

46. He's made it impossible even if you ARE a straight white Protestant male

And have a conscience and awareness.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:52 PM

6. I think if he knew the Senate would convict,

there is a very good chance he would resign in an attempt to save face if only in his own mind.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:54 PM

7. No chance.

He's counting on the Senate making a mockery of the trial, as they more than likely will.

The only scenario where I see him resigning is if it's publicly known that the numbers for removal are overwhelmingly high. Then, I could see him doing a Nixon.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:54 PM

8. Resignation is the smart move.

But Pence is also saddled with the same problems.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 06:56 PM

9. Moscow Don wants a

Golden Parachute and Amnesty for himself and his Criminal Kids and he is gone.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 07:14 PM

10. He will fight it all the way to the Supreme Court

And then learn the Supreme Court is not involved at all.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:36 AM

18. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the impeachment hearings

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:23 AM

26. Nope

SCOTUS Roberts will preside over the Senate trial. Impeachment happens in the House. Two separate things.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:28 AM

28. The Chief Justice presides over the Senate trial, not the impeachment hearings,

and his only function is to be sure the Senate follows its own rules (which aren't the same as normal courtroom rules). He does not decide the outcome.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:22 PM

33. Understood, but

I'm sure that witness testimony or evidence that is blocked via executive privilege is something that will be appealed to the SCOTUS by Team Trump - tax returns as well.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 07:22 PM

11. I have no idea what he would do (and neither does anyone else) but...

every time in the past when faced with a serious problem, or actual failure, he has simply walked away and claimed victory. He could get away with that back then, since nobody really cared.

Even when the banks finally caught up with him and forced bankruptcy, killing off his credit lines, he still claimed he won. He used the fact that the banks had over extended themselves so much that actually closing him down would break them, too to claim victory.

My best guess is that he will find some escape route that will allow him to claim a win and he will believe he will go out on top.

The rest of us will just breathe a sigh of relief.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 07:40 PM

12. The only chance he has is to barrel through...

Buckle up

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:05 PM

14. Keep up the pressure

...until he takes the Hitler way out.

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Response to BunnyMcGee (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 08:58 PM

15. He would NEVER do that.

He believes that he is perfect. Committing suicide would be admitting that he is not, and this thought would never enter his head.

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Response to BunnyMcGee (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:52 AM

22. There also needs to be more pressure on "Moscow Mitch."

He's started to show the first small cracks regarding a Senate trial after an impeachment. That isn't like him: ordinarily he'd be bragging about a very short Senate trial , totally supporting Trump.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:26 AM

16. The Ego In Chief would never let resignation cross his little mind.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:28 AM

17. I believe he will suffer some sort of mental or physical break down. . .

He will be unable to continue in office and unable to answer to further legal scrutiny in NY.
The mental break down , stroke, heart attack, bone spur flare up, will spare him any further legal responsibility for his crimes.
Or ...
He will double down and get away with it...like he always has.

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Response to Mazeltov Cocktail (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:54 AM

23. "bone spur flare up" (snort)! LOL

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:48 AM

19. Trump would resign under several scenarios, I think.

First off, bankruptcy has been one of his standard business tools. He cuts and runs from failing enterprises.

Second, if Pence isn't impeached, a guarantee of a pardon from him would be a powerful influence on Trump if he thinks he might end up in prison. He'd take that option in a second if it looked like he'd face serious federal charges if impeached and removed.

Finally, Trump is a coward at heart. He will take the course of least resistance if he faces disaster. Guaranteed.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:19 AM

25. He's looking at several state charges, too.

A Federal pardon won't do jack shit for him on those.

He knows he is well and truly fucked if he ever leaves the office of President. Which is why he will never leave unless he's physically forced out.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:35 PM

42. You are trying to apply intelligence, planning and smarts to Trump's moves.

That makes you wrong.

Trump will go to the grave believing he is the best thing ever for America, a Second Coming, a God-Child destined to rule.

Death or victory. Trump fights on, to the bitter end.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 08:47 AM

44. Another would be for medical reasons, although....

I wouldn't put it past him to fake a medical crisis to to be able to walk away with some public (his base) pity.......

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 10:09 AM

45. I agree, Mineral Man. He's a known cut-and-run artist.

Hell, he's been rolled by Putin, Kim, Erdogan and who knows who else, but in this case, his exit would have to be guaranteed from punishment or any kind of financial penalties for him and his children. Such a deal could be made since the rethugs via Barr control the justice department. They could tell the SDNY to cease and desist in their pursuit of all ongoing investigations, pending indictments, etc. of him, his family and for Pence, who could issue him a pardon (and for any other family member who may be under investigation or facing an unknown indictment). It's possible. His history is one of retreat, but he's never been in the fix he's in right now.

My hope is that he'll continue to escalate his staggeringly horrendous decision-making (short of destroying the planet by nuclear deployment) to the extent that the retrumplicans, specifically Moscow Mitch, will be forced to remove him because of the disastrous consequences of his decisions and the resultant negative opinion of the voters that are moving the poll numbers into the basement for him and the party. And the odds are horrifyingly high that tRump will do just such a thing.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:00 AM

20. We will be lucky to root him out of the oval office even if he loses the election

Not sure how he can say it directly and indirectly any more clearly how he wants to be this country's first dictator and hand the job off to his idiot spawn when he dies ...

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:02 AM

21. Depends how terrible things get.

If things stay as they are at this point in time, I don't see it, but if the situation continues to deteriorate over the next couple months and the risk of GOP senators turning on becomes more plausible, I might see it happening.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:14 AM

24. He won't leave until cardiovascular disease or the Secret Service...

Physically remove him.

He is not going anywhere, for any reason, under his own power. Even when (not if) he loses the fucking election.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:23 AM

27. His ego is precisely why I can see him resigning. From his point of view

that is actually saving face. He'll just blame everybody else for not being able to govern. But he'd only do this if he lost the Senate GOP.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:31 AM

29. it's not so much about what *he* would do. it's about what mcturtle would do.

mcturtle would avoid an actual removal vote like the plague.

if he had the whip count and determined that donnie would get removed, then he'd have that conversation with donnie and figure out a way to convince him to go "voluntarily".

having an actual vote to remove would be far too damaging to the republican party, and there's really no upside for donnie to stay in office for another 24 hours at that point.

he would pretty easily be convinced to issue some last minute pardons, declare victory and that he's accomplished everything he wanted to even before his term was up, and resign, while in the same speech promoting trump tv and his hotels.

i don't see donnie knowingly accepting the public humiliation of an actual vote to remove if he knew he was going to lose. he'd much rather go out "voluntarily".

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:31 AM

30. The only scenario in which I can imagine Fat Nixon resigning is

one in which he has managed to convince himself that if he gives up the presidency he will become the heroic leader of a resistance movement to overthrow the Deep State. I do think he's that delusional, but the actual likelihood that he will resign is very, very small.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:32 AM

31. Trump will go down, taking EVERYTHING and EVERYONE with him....

There is no way in hell Trump will leave the White House with his honor intact. That is because he HAS NONE to begin with.

Trump will demand much in exchange for leaving office. He will want Pence to pardon and defend him in the public sphere, thus costing Pence the 2020 election. The ghost of Gerald Ford around his neck to be exact.

As soon as Trump is out of office, the State of New York will pounce on the entire Trump family for State crimes. Pence has no jurisdiction over that. THAT is what Trump fears the most.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:09 PM

32. He wont resign In fact if he makes it to the General

he wont leave even after he loses. The Republicans will demand a recount and accuse the Democrats of fraud.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:29 PM

34. I think he will go completely insane before he ever resigns

Resigning would be admittedly defeat and he could never do that. But he could drive himself completely mad.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 11:41 PM

43. Resign? His world would crumble.

Everything positive he ever thought about himself would lose meaning, he's in it to the bitter end.

He's desperately trying to keep it all together, looking for the oranges of the covfefe resistance he is experiencing. Who to blame, who is behind all this?
(At this stage, a true Mafia boss would be sending out hit squads to 'smoothen the waters.')

Victory or Death! And the death may be psychological, and not physical.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:24 PM

35. His boss won't allow him to quit.

If he's out of office and powerless, he's of no use to Putin any more. So no more Russian money.

Without Russian money, he'd become bankrupt and homeless, until the NY AG puts him in jail.

The only way I see him resigning is if he defects to Moscow and resigns from there. At that point, he'd be useless to Putin except to reassure Putin's other assets that they'll be taken care of. He'd be in roughly the same state as Snowden.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 05:39 PM

36. Utterly academic and irrelevant.

He won't be convicted in the Senate.

He'll start pardoning right and left (figuratively) as soon as McConnell engineers the Acquittal. Once he's cleared, he'll become the Authoritarian he always wanted to be. He'll have the corrupted DOJ begin show trials as an election-year circus, and exact every ounce of revenge he can.

This nightmare is nowhere near ending.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 05:43 PM

37. It would not surprise me to find that there are Repubs pushing him to do that...

and that would include some in very high places in the Party. Trump has taken over the party, and not in a good way.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 06:56 PM

38. At this point I do not care

how he leaves. Just that he does, and very soon.

The vile, contemptible asshole needs to find a new planet, hell, a new galaxy. Boot his ass out of here. The stench is overwhelming.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 08:28 PM

39. Not only will he not resign

He won't willingly leave office, whether he's impeached or loses the 2020 election. He's already shown over and over that he cares nothing about the Constitution; today's statement about the "phony Emoluments clause" was only the most blatant example.

We have to be ready for that. I only hope the military won't support him when (not if) he declares he has a right to the White House and refuses to leave.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:51 PM

40. He's better off being impeached and thrown out of office.

The Democrats can protect him from Putin. The Republicans can't.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Oct 21, 2019, 10:57 PM

41. He might get offered a sweetheart deal.

It isn't out of the realm of possibility. I mean, listen to the podcast titled 'Bagman' about Spiro Agnew and Nixon and how they had to force Agnew out because if both he and Nixon were impeached at once and removed then a Democrat, House Speaker Carl Albert, would become president.

Pence has been implicated in the Russia scandal, and Trump has gone full-out traitor.

The establishment money, the old money that is greater and more powerful than the Russian oligarchs may well be getting fed up. They may force Pence out, then have Trump appoint a 'clean' VP, followed by his own resignation on a deal of immunity. And don't split hairs - I know about the state investigations as well as all of you, and that in theory a presidential pardon doesn't cover them. But that does not mean it couldn't happen. Because when a law becomes inconvenient, power simply changes the law so it becomes convenient.

The alternative? Impeachment and removal with Trump calling out the army, the militias and the National Guard, claiming that the Democrats are staging a coup-d'etat and they need to protect him. That seriously could happen, as well.

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