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Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:07 AM

John Henry Newman has been canonized. How will church react to belief he was gay??

William Lindsay brings this up at his blog bilgrimage.blogspot.com

He emphasizes the long attempt by many in church to conceal and deny Newman's long relationship with Father Ambrose

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Reply John Henry Newman has been canonized. How will church react to belief he was gay?? (Original post)
bobbieinok Oct 2019 OP
NCLefty Oct 2019 #1
Hekate Oct 2019 #2
hlthe2b Oct 2019 #3
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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:29 AM

1. What's one more delusion?

Pope Francis’s half-miracle: why he’ll need more than that to become a saint
Mon 23 Mar 2015 12.13 EDT

Is the vial half-full or half-empty? This is the question facing the Catholic church after the “half-miracle” that occurred when Pope Francis visited Naples cathedral at the weekend. After addressing the congregation, the pope kissed a glass vial containing the blood of Saint Januarius, the city’s patron saint, which is when the supposed half-miracle occurred. Crescenzio Sepe, archbishop of Naples, held the vial up to the congregation and declared: “The blood has half-liquefied, which shows Saint Januarius loves our pope and Naples.”

It was said to be the first time the blood had liquefied in the presence of a pope since 1848. The blood remained untransfigured during the visits of John Paul II in 1979 and Benedict XVI in 2007. Since John Paul was made a saint less than 10 years after his death, surely Francis, too, will now have to be fast-tracked – or half-fast-tracked. Francis, though, was admirably modest about it. “The bishop just announced that the blood half-liquefied,” he told the congregation. “We can see the saint only half loves us. We must all spread the word, so that he loves us more!” For Francis, it seems, the vial was half-empty.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2015/mar/23/pope-francis-half-miracle-need-more-to-become-saint

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:35 AM

2. Wasn't it Pope Francis himself who said, "Who am I to judge"?

Perhaps that is your answer.

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 04:32 AM

3. Could scarcely be the only one out of 10,000 Saints

There are more than 10,000 saints recognized by the Roman Catholic Church, though the names and histories of some of these holy men and women have been lost to history.
Encyclopedia Britannica

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Response to bobbieinok (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 07:03 AM

4. I used to go to Newman Center Catholic masses, at U Cal.

Him being gay doesn't seem to have caused me any harm.

But I'm just a rank and file catholic. The hierarchy frequently isn't at the forefront of doing the moral or good thing.

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